Comments by "Golag Is watching you" (@golagiswatchingyou2966) on "The Jolly Heretic"
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On the issue of civil war, I would say it's very unlikely, you can have a period like the troubles for sure but for an outright civil war you need certain factors that aren't present right now, one of them is not having any faith in the government process, being a democracy gives some more trust in people that they can always vote for someone to try and fix things, the law is the law untill people no longer follow it, the enforcers are no longer willing to enforce it and the army is no longer willing to enforce the enforcers.
What is likely going to happen is that as the demografic collapses start to appear even more clear for most people and they start to feel how other groups start to dominate them they will be forced to pick a side, they will start to counter the rising group but find that their efforts aren't very effective and thus become more radicalized, the point at which a civil war would happen is when at a certain point you have armed groups, area's of controle, a semi collapse in government institutions and then a push for either creating their own new institutions or the take over of those institutions by one group or the other.
The end result no matter who wins is going to be a splitting up of society, talented people leave for better shores, large destruction of society, collapse and birth of new systems and then a slow reconstruction with a new estabilished order which will then rule for good or bad for as long as they can untill a new series of conflicts erupts.
The nations that will get ahead will be those that skipped all these parts and simply never get there or delay it as long as possible.
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I think it's more to do with lack of parental love and affection, indoctrinated into a false sense of reality, growing older realising the false reality is actually horrible, forced to adapt to it while being bombarded by "happy people" on social media, online and on tv, trying to improve your life either failing or not having anyone to trust, love, be intimate with or even have just casual sex with, develop depression, trauma and most likely drug addictions and thus slowly leading towards attempts at suïcide, some as young as 13 years old.
I think people misunderstand pain, suffering and hardship and how it effects mental health, people in general and young people can actually survive and deal with a lot of hardship, what they struggle with and what leads to depression is feelings of loneliness, isolation, lack of purpose, low social status and maladaptive coping mechanisms like drugs or alcohol.
Our society barely has a family unit, parents are often gone or raised by single mothers, schools are often areas with severe lack of trust, acceptance or affection, social media harms self worth, no wonder young people commit suicide more, you had less suicides in the 1950s when life was much harder, same people, different environments.
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@Tyler_W incel is mostly a derogatory term used by people to label people (mostly men) who struggle in the modern world for a variety of reasons ranging from depression, autism, narcicism, trauma, parental neglect or simply lack romantic value towards woman, there are "incels" who honestly try but get rejected because of their mental illness and social status, they work out and they do their best but fail and society judges them to be falures and that they must do better and will face descrimination and low social status as a result.
Its also not just a western problem, it's a problem in all developed societies and made worse by high divorce rate and low birthrates as well as aging.
Its easy to see why this is all problematic, elderly people need younger generations to take care of them, few future prospects, youth wasted on getting an education and a job, try and get status and in the meantime also deal with woman who understand their value but no responsibility thus you see the single mother, the 14 cats lady and the rabid feminist, society is pretty sick.
Though society has always selected men and some just never got married or formed relationships, never on this scale and so total, most men 50 years ago could always marry down but woman also had to put in the effort or risk raising a child as a single mom which was a big shame and hard thing to do, still is just less so.
There is also the reality that you only really need 1 men for 100 woman to get pregnant but 1 woman for 100 men will become a bloodbath or a simp fest, sometimes both.
There is no easy solution, men can get wealthy and still find third world countries for woman, many do, others are forced to become hyper competitive, some men just give up or become resentful, take your pick in the mean time most people will be miserable, few children will be born and the west is going to likely become more and more islamic and third world ish as a result of the modern world.
No doomerism, just reality, sad but true, adapt and overcome I say.
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I slightly disagree with the proposition at the end, because while Balkanization is certainly possible and is even likely in certain parts of the west like the UK, Belgium, France perhaps, Italy as the central government and culture changes so does the loyalty to those nations change for better or for worse, that being said the opposite is also true, environments with a lot of chaos in them and a sense of fear and despair are going to turn towards either religion or utopian ideologies, now some nations will turn to religion as is likely the case in most of eastern Europe but in the west it's likely to be more utopian ideologies that takes shape and I think the main ideas that will start to melt into the wider societies will be nationalism, pan nationalism, transhumanism, techno-gainism, communism/neo communism and ethnic nationalism/racial nationalism
The reason why I think these ideologies will play a role in whole or in part is due to the ethnic/cultural tensions, climate change, present day environmentalism not working as envisioned and collapse of economic systems as well as new technologies shaping society, all these things thrown together is going to be a free for all for competing groups and they can evolve in very strange ways, you could see environmentalist islamists who want equality in ways that mirror communists from the past, you could see pan European transhumanists who want to create their own god machine "leader" to guide them, you could see fascistic capitalists with christian state religion.
It all depends on who grows the most, gets the upper hand and crushed the other.
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