Comments by "PNH 6000" (@PNH-sf4jz) on "Jake Broe"
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Agreed. For both the EU and NATO, there is a process, as we have seen with regard to Finland and Sweden. Ukraine has a slightly longer road to travel to achieve those goals. At the same time, I share and support your wish for Ukraine, ultimately, to join NATO and the EU, should they so desire. With regard to any offers previously made with regard to Ukraine not joining NATO {March 2022}, because they were either declined or ignored by Moscow, I would consider them null and void.
The future regarding Moscow and Russia is, at the present time, somewhat blurred. I would think that "white-boarding" options for the future may include some form of rapprochment with the "west" that could be considered. If the Russian economy is truly destabilised, this may be of some appeal to the Kremlin. Conditional of course. Russia may attempt to remain as a Federation, or allow the different political, cultural and ethnic groups to divide into separate independent nations. Presumably, there are many more options. A lot also depends on the response of other nations, in particular, that of China, to the outcomes of the WAR.
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Any proposal that sanctions be lifted as part of a peace deal involving the continuation of the occupation of Ukranian territory by Russia, which would only be a "win" for Russia, no-one else, particularly Ukrainians, for whom such an agreement would constitute a huge "loss" and be infruriatingly insulting to Ukranians.
{if the terms "win" and "loss" are even relevant in such a situation}.
Concessions to Russia's advantage will only give them reason to believe that whatever method they have applied has worked and will work again in the future.
Ukraine is being supported because they have a right to their own land, the borders of which have been co-agreed to by Russia, in its present political form. Not a previous version of Russia. Russia has attempoted to attack the capital city of Ulkraine, Kyiv. Russia has aerial bombed and artillery bombarded the cities of the Donbas and others throughout the east and west, north and south of Ukraine. The Russians have killed thousands of civilians and made the survivors homeless and destitute. They have driven millions into the situation of being refugees. They have induced or co-erced thousands to be transported to Russia, some voluntarily, but many are believed to have been involuntarily shipped to Russia. All of this with the cost of thousand of lives of military personnel on both sides, in addition to immense hardware losses. All on the pretext of "supporting and protecting those poor Russian speaking members of the population."
What a farce? What a pack of lies? What is the value of any agreement with Russia, that is just as liable to be "torn up" and disregarded, as Russia has done in the not so distant past. And that, on one pretext or another, possibly a week later, or sooner?
The Ukrainians appear to me to have a clear sense of sovereignty and identity. The correlation between the intentions and actions of the upper echelons of the Russian political and military establishment and those of Hitler and the Nazi party is apt
I believe that the Ukrainian separatist movement was initiated, fomented and actively supported by Russian regular army forces from as early as 2013, possibly before. That method fits right into the way that Russia has created similar situations in Chechnya, Georgia, Transnistria, Ukraine and others. You may care to look at the following reference:
List of wars involving Russia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia
If you look at the circumstances preceding many of these wars, the early events are similar to what we have seen in Ukraine since 2013. Subsequent events, during the other conflicts have often included wholesale destruction of complete cities, such as Grozny in Chechnya and in Syria. The same as is now happening in Ukraine. This process, applied in Ukraine, is no less devastating.
The Ukrainians can never see a win while Russia occupies their land, including Crimea. Ukraine has invested everything that they have in resisting the Russian aggressor and invader.
Russia will have an enormous debt, in terms of reparation, after this war, or that, to whatever level Russia proceeds to escalate the war, in the future.
I am conscious, as are so many others, that this conflict may expand to countries other than Ukraine because of Russia's determination to have its own way. If the "west" is prepared to assist Ukraine in its defence of territory, how do you think the "west" will respond to further aggression into other allied countries?
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That potential for instability is the concern, and very likely the reason why western aligned countries will possibly be inclined, I believe, to institute something akin to the "Marshall Plan", that was used to support European countries following the 2nd world war. That may only occur if/when Russia is defeated or concedes.
Here is a hypothetical that I have written about the possible outcome of Russia's WAR waged against Ukraine:
The Russians may have massive underground or 'in the side of mountain' caches, like other countries, such as Iran are said to have, of military and air-force weapons that they have accumulated over the previous recent years. It may be intended to bring this military hardware out at the "last minute" and spring a very unpleasant surprise. While I do not believe this is necessarily so, I believe that, at least, some attention must be given to the possibility, so that if the trap is sprung by the Russians, the Ukrainian military and their supporters will be adequately prepared.
I most certainly hope that the Russians are reduced now, to using older, almost antiquated weapons and transport, such as post 2nd WW T55 and T54 tanks. However, I find it difficult to believe that Russia would have allowed their weapon stocks to be reduced to that level. That is particularly so, when the one area that the Russians should, in reality {not their imaginations}, be least concerned about is the defensive alliance of countries in NATO. Surely, simple logic would not have allowed them to rely, as a last resort, on their nuclear weapons. That should be especially so, given that if any of the Russian nuclear weapons were to be fired, Russian targets will receive a barrage by conventional weapons, that will annihilate the targets at which they would be fired. That would occur before the US, the UK, France, Germany or any other country fired any of their nuclear weapons.
As I was thinking about the possibility of Russia ending up requesting NATO for assistance in their defence, another possibility occurred to me. Such a situation could occur if, about ten years ago, Russia decided that taking Ukraine was an all or nothing gambit. They realised that their oil and gas was only going to be a profitable market commodity for a limited number of years, given the push to "go green". So with an ever decreasing income, ageing manufacturing capacity and limited sea ports for distribution of their products, the acquisition of Ukraine, with its population, resources and the means of distributing products by sea, might have seemed to be a way of solving the Russian dilemma. This situation would mean that they could attempt to take Ukraine and, if unsuccessful, could throw themselves on the mercy of what they refer to as the "west" which I prefer to call the "western aligned nations" or "free world" {More inclusive}.
In the situation that I have outlined, the Russians could step, militarily, right up to the point of using nuclear weapons. They would know that there would be no chance of other countries striking their territory, as has been demonstrated in this WAR. They would also feel safe and assured that no nuclear weapons would be fired unless the Russians did so pre-emptively. At the point where they saw that their weapons had been exhausted and their bluff, in terms of a nuclear weapons attack, had been "called", they would then have to concede defeat and rely on the "free world" for their protection. The Russians would also know that the "free world" would not want to see the uncontrolled collapse of the Russian Federation. The countries of the “free world” would then, in some ways, feel bound by their own concerns to support Russia. This could be accomplished by something akin to the "Marshall Plan" that was instituted, in Europe, following the second world war. In this way, the "free world" also has a positive outcome. However, during the time up until Russia's success {which I do not believe will happen} or defeat, Ukraine will have had to endure the agonies of war.
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I have supported your comment, though I think there may be some differences I would make to the wording. I hope that I have stated your intended meaning correctly. Please let me know if I have not.
"I couldnt watch the end of the video, when the Ukrainian soldiers were explaining what gives them strength. I enjoy watching Jake's videos, but as an American, republican and supporter of democracy and Ukraine, I truly am disappointed in our government to support an autocracy {Russia} over a democracy {Ukraine} or cow down to threats and bullying by a person such as trump or a country such as Russia."
"I am a republican from a state where my congessman is a supporter of trump, a person who is not the incumbent of the presidency, but is running for the position. Trump, an obstuctionist and a bully with no spine. I have sent correspondence stating my position to my congressman, but as you can expect, have received no answer."
With Best Wishes, PNH
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@sanfander Thank you for your reply. Unfortunately, people who do not think the way he used to, very likely, most often ignored him. However, if we look at his YouTube stats, there are undoubtedly many who not only think like him, but also act like him, taking direction and "honing" their styles from his guides.
I have seen quite a few comments from people who have not heard of him; they are fortunate, but he still existed. And there are a slew of people out there of his ilk.
So we have a range of people who who do or do not relate to him and others like him;
-- Unknown
-- Source of Humour
-- Alike and share/swap notes on styles.
I first knew of him about mid-2022 and my opinion of him has not changed, or rather, has only diminished.
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@gregoryadair3223 Your comment "... it is not asking too much {to wish for and expect "..... steady leadership in the US"}. US politics throughout my lifetime was stable and boring."
I agree with and support your comment. Like NATO, many Free World countries had, I believe, slipped into a state of slumberous semi-hibernation that may indeed have seemed boring. However, recent events, particularly in Ukraine have awakened the US, the UK, Europe and many other Free World countries to the ever present danger of lethargy and assumed political and military safety.
Even the negatives, as we see and perceive in relatively close structures, such as our own parliaments, the EU and the NATO Defensive Alliance, such as Hungary, Slovakia and other countries and institutions, have a purpose in keeping us alert and on our toes. Their existence in the present format, also keeps individuals more alert and aware of negative influencers and influences.
Some say that these countries and organisations, including Russia in the UN Security Council, should be dismissed or removed. I think that it is far better to keep the "snakes" in our national and international structures and organisations in plain and clear sight, so that "they cannot slither off into a corner, behind a cupboard", from where they can strike unexpectedly and unpredictably.
To me, it is always a concern when someone, who states that they are "not pro-Russia" or that they "haven't got a dog in the fight" or live far away from the area of conflict, then proceed to talk down our countries and institutions of the Free World. It is then that I question the veracity of their statement of presumed "non interest" or "non involvement", particularly with regard to the enemy or opposition.
🇺🇦 Victory to Ukraine, Absolute Victory 🇺🇦
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@Julei_ Hello Julei, Thank you for your reply.
I live in Australia and am just becoming familiar with the US system of government to a point where I can offer comments in support both for Ukraine and, as it appears, support for people in the US and the US economy.
I understand that the $US value of military hardware is the current depreciated and written down "book value" of the military vehicles and munitions being sent to Ukraine, some of which is close to its "use by date". It still seems, due to deliberate propaganda and dis-information, that many people believe "suit cases of $US are being sent to Ukraine", which could not be further from the truth.
It is my understanding that the financial $US "book value" of the hardware and equipment that is being sent to Ukraine is instead appropriated and used for the purchase and production of new major weapon systems funded in the FY 2024 President's Budget, {FY2024_Weapons.pdf} organized by Mission Area Categories.
This development and production, in the US, of new updated hardware in the form of vehicles, including tanks and APCs, artillery, planes, ships and ammunition is undoubtedly included in purchase orders placed with companies, many of which will be in the regions where Republican party members have constituents.
Those members of government who are opposing the transfer of hardware to Ukraine are penalising there own constituents, and the constituents of other elected members, by delaying the purchase and production of that new military hardware and equipment in the US.
Despite the fact that we would prefer not to see Ukraine having to defend themselves against Russian forces, by sending older hardware and equipment to Ukraine, it is being used for the purpose for which it was intended. In addition, there is no cost associated with the dismantling and destruction of obselete hardware and munitions if they remained in the US. A significant cost saving to the US government and therefore, the population.
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@h.a.9880 Thank you very much for your response H.A.
I share your concern about the way some of the people of the world apparently think, act and speak about their own activities, those of others, or even what they may contemplate. I also understand the angst and anguish felt on behalf of the people treated in such fashion, whoever they are and wherever they may be.
As I mentioned above though, I do not believe that such consideration absolves anyone of responsibility for the actions of their government, particularly Russians at the present time.
While I have attempted to add support for Ukraine and Ukrainians, in the ever so small way that I can, through the comments sections {possibly even to only a miniscule extent}, I remind myself of the expression, {that I may poorly paraphrase}, about the ocean being made of countless trllions of drops of water, without which there would be no ocean. So we each add what we can in whatever way that we can, in droplets size or as parts of bucketsful.
Having trained in the military as an APC driver, I wish that I were able to contribute in more practical ways, but all that was a long time ago and I am literally a world away, with other physical issues that may mean that my presence would likely be more of a hindrance or liability than of any use.
However, I also believe that we each somehow contribute, through our thoughts wishes and prayers, towards the most appropriate conclusion to this WAR and hopefully to a much brighter, cleaner and more productive future for Ukraine. And with those who have died or been injured, physically and mentally, being offered the recognition and honour that they so well merit. That parents, spouses, partners and children will remember those who have died while fighting so valiantly for their families, communities, towns, cities and country.
At the risk of ending on a negative, I add the following reference that shows how, right from the start, the Ukrainians fought, each in their own way. It is also a discrediting reflection on the invaders, the Russians and others fighting on their behalf.
"the-real-role-of-pro-russian-chechens-in-ukraine"
{Full website references seem to merit removal of my posts, so I offer as much as I can without incurring the wrath of YouTube.}
With Best Wishes to You and Those for Whom You Care, PNH
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Sometimes, I get so caught up with the events of the moment, the latest developments, the progress or otherwise of the day to day movements of this WAR, that it is easy to lose sight of the beginning. The false assertions of the pro-RuZZian bots, trolls, shills, sympathisers and supporters just leave those lingering, nagging questions --- "Are they right or wrong or somewhere in between ?" I have compiled these thoughts, information and references about 2013/2014, that may help dispell some, if not all of those doubts.
==== The Maidan Uprising ====
In the protests that occurred in Ukraine during November 2013, the protesters were responding to:-
: The sudden decision, by then President Yanukovych, not to sign a political association and free trade agreement with the European Union (EU), instead, choosing closer ties to Russia and the Eurasian Economic Union. In other words, he was acting in a manner that was inconsistent with the intent and desire of the democratically elected government of Ukraine, and more consistent with the behaviour and actions of the Belarusian, Putin's puppet "leader", Lukashenko.
: In February of that year (2013), the Verkhovna Rada (Ukrainian parliament) had overwhelmingly approved finalizing the agreement with the EU.[26]
: Protesters opposed, and were attempting to address, what they saw as widespread
-- government corruption
-- abuse of power
-- the influence of oligarchs
-- police brutality
-- violation of human rights in Ukraine.
All the characteristics and occurrences for which Ukraine is still being constantly criticised by others, particularly pro-RuZZian bots, shills, trolls, supporters and sympathisers. Presumably, such people are among those who believe that Ukraine should be cleansed and purified by the overlordship of RuZZia. The RuZZians need to address the issues in their own camp, before throwing rocks at others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity
---- "In November 2013, a wave of large-scale protests (known as Euromaidan) erupted in response to President Yanukovych's sudden decision not to sign a political association and free trade agreement with the European Union (EU), instead choosing closer ties to Russia and the Eurasian Economic Union.
"In February of that year, the Verkhovna Rada (Ukrainian parliament) had overwhelmingly approved finalizing the agreement with the EU.[26] Russia had put pressure on Ukraine to reject it.[27]
"These protests continued for months; their scope widened, with calls for the resignation of Yanukovych and the Azarov Government.[28] Protesters opposed what they saw as widespread government corruption and abuse of power, the influence of oligarchs, police brutality, and violation of human rights in Ukraine.[29][30] Repressive anti-protest laws fuelled further anger.[29] A large, barricaded protest camp occupied Independence Square in central Kyiv throughout the 'Maidan Uprising'."
The comments that I offer, I like to finish with this banner as a symbol of my support.
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