Comments by "joe public" (@joepublic3933) on "TED" channel.

  1.  @joshuawilliams7653  "people foolishly cling to every word": that's exactly what we're talking about here, people being foolish about words, without thinking about what they mean. "you seriously think reducing a current growth rate doesn't involve killing people" Yes, I seriously think that, as do any sane people. Didn't I already explain why? Do you deny what has already happened in the world? Can you tell me, with your own logical reasoning, why in Europe we have small families now? Look at demographics a bit, for f**ks sake: note the age distribution of developing countries... note how it's different to ours. These aren't new ideas invented by Gates and his evil minions; it's just how the World actually works. Since when did he become the leading expert? Since he became so rich that he could give money to the people doing the research and also get their direct advice. He's a figurehead, high profile and therefore useful for getting messages across. This works on all levels of society. Nothing special about that. If a famous actor talks about a subject for example, it doesn't make him an expert, just the one relaying the message. "What if by 2030 we hit 11 billion? Means something would have to be done." Ok, so what if? What's your suggestion then? The best way to get something done is by letting people do it of their own free will, no? Better to think about it now rather than when it's too late, isn't it? Anyway, what's wrong with the idea of improving living conditions? Pockets of the US may well be densely populated, but the US can provide, so we don't call it overpopulated. Overpopulated is when there aren't enough ressources for the population. It's simple. Use logic, think, learn maths, study history.
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  2.  @joshuawilliams7653  It seems to me that the ones "clinging to every word" are the conspiracy theorists, obsessed with reading stuff into a few words rather than understanding the general concepts. "Ooh! He said producing and not reducing! Must be revealing plans of genocide!"
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  3. Yes it could sound that way..... unless of course you listen to the end of it, where he says that it's the last one, C, that has to be close to zero. Hence the title of the talk. Go on, it's less than two minutes later, you can make the effort and listen!
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  4.  @rosetui6070  No...it was recorded in 2010. 2020 minus 10 =2010. No wonder some people can't get to grips with the equation...
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  5.  @joshuawilliams7653  It's kind of ironic that someone who lives their life according to one book talks about "clinging to every word".
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  6.  @joshuawilliams7653  Take someone's word for it just because they're rich? No. Mind you, how he got rich shows he's not exactly stupid. Expert? No. He's surrounded by them though. Probably very well advised. Only a select few think resources are getting scarce? Yeah, sure! I think the majority would agree on that actually. Are they badly distributed? Yes, definitely. Improving overall quality of health includes not letting people die of preventable diseases.... vaccines being part of that. Teach them to be efficient? Who are we to teach efficiency?! How can you teach without being "good ole big brother and imposing what we think is best"?
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  7.  @joshuawilliams7653  you seem obsessed with this population thing: "How about we improve overall quality of health before we try to work population numbers" When will you understand that the two go hand in hand? Improving living conditions reduces family size, so if you work on better health, you're having an effect on population growth at the same time, as a by-product, if you like. So it's not a question of choosing either working on population or on health.The two happen at the same time. By the way, I think I tried to answer some of your questions, even if they were rhetorical, so please answer some of mine.
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  8.  @DanaConrad7  CO2 = P x S x E x C P= people S= services per person E= energy per service C = carbon dioxide per unit energy The last one, C, must come down to zero because all the others will increase, even if you slow down the rate of increase. "Innovating to zero" = creating alternative energy sources that do not produce CO2. Simple maths: anything x anything x anything x zero = zero.
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  9. Thank god her haircut was never taken on by a whole generation!
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  10. Oh dear... Karen has got it all worked out....
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  11.  @joshuawilliams7653  Like I said, look at what's happened in the real world.
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  12.  @joshuawilliams7653  I don't like the idea of microchips under the skin, much as I don't like the credit cards we already have, even if they are "convenient", but I don't think they're the work of Satan either. Just the work of over-zealous tech nerds. For me Bill Gates is the same. I certainly don't think he wants to kill anybody off; that's just deliberately misinterpreting his words, which should be clear enough for anyone, but which sadly aren't, apparently. When I see the appalling lack of logical thinking in your posts, I'm drawn to believe that you're trolling. I hope so, because if someone can't see the difference between genocide and offering free condoms, they've got serious problems.
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  13.  @joshuawilliams7653  "Melinda Gates went on national TV wearing an inverted cross. That tells someone like me all I need to know" ....yep: that just about sums it up.
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  14. Well done. You should've learnt also in school that naturally, it's a pretty closed system: plants pump out oxygen, take in CO2. The difference is that now humans are creating an excess of CO2 by their industrial and agricultural activity.
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  15.  @joshuawilliams7653  There's a bit of a difference between "not kill instantly" and not kill at all..You're right about one thing; people would freak out if we went from 7 billion to five.... so the tactic of letting the population increase is a very cunning one... so cunning that it seems like what it is; an increase. Worthy of Baldrick: a cunning plan that cannot fail!
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  16.  @joshuawilliams7653  Hang out with a Bible basher? Yikes! Run away!!
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  17.  @SAN-yb6yz  For f**ks sake! Don't you think I've listened to his interviews? He does not say he wants to reduce world population! Everyoe is citing the same TED talk of 2010 where he talks about reducing population growth! He explains clearly in other interviews. What's your problem? Why deny this? Post your links; saying "no, youtube will take them down" is total rubbish. It's because you have no proof.
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  18.  @joshuawilliams7653  I don't see an inverted cross; I just see a rather blurred image and a photoshopped blowup.
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  19. No. He says nothing of the sort. That's why nobody hears it, apart from a few paranoid catholics who can't even be bothered to quote whole sentences properly.
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  20.  @blackwaterdvr1  Well at least make sure you understand what they're talking about before spreading bullshit.
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  21.  @DanaConrad7  The thing you can't seem to grasp is that he never says he wants to reduce the population. His entire point is about even if you slow down the growth a little ( note: no reduction, just slowing growth) it won't change much in the way of CO2 emissions.......... So....... (drum roll) You need to bring down the CO2 emissions from industry down to zero!!!! That is the whole point. "Innovating towards zero". Sounds familiar.......... Oh, wait! It's the title!
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  22.  @rustyshackleford7265  That's not how it works mate. You make a claim, you back it up. If you don't, you're the lazy one. Imagine if science worked like that? "No, it's my toy I'm not sharing, do your own research!" If the world's scientists functioned in that way, we'd still be in the Dark Ages. Of course, it happens, but luckily for us most are willing to share what they know. Knowledge should be shared: if you're not willing to share where yours comes from, we can safely assume you're lying through your teeth.
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  23.  @AyrtonTwigg  He doesn't think vaccines will reduce the population. Where'd you get that idea from? Or am I misunderstanding you? Just in case though (or for anyone else): Bill Gates explains concept : does saving more lives lead to overpopulation ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obRG-2jurz0 Stage three demographic transition ( or why population increase slows down with better living conditions): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_transition#Stage_three Improvement in world health and living conditions : https://www.worldbank.org/en/topic/poverty/overview https://ourworldindata.org/a-history-of-global-living-conditions-in-5-charts
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  24.  @tw5271  Sorry but do you have any actual information, or do you base your entire life on hearsay?
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  25.  @joshuawilliams7653  so how come in ten years he hasn't actually managed to kill anyone? Seems like the population insists on going up still...
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  26.  @DanaConrad7  He predicted it at least five years ago, if not more. As for the simulation, would it have been less strange to you if it was 3 months or 6 months before, or a year or two years or 666 days before?
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  27.  @rudy103069  pathetic
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  28.  @DanaConrad7  You didn't even listen to the end of the equation, did you? You have understood absolutely nothing.
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  29. Maybe he didn't. Now he does. Is that a problem?
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  30. Convenient? There's nothing "convenient" about how the climate works...
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  31.  @H43339  Whoops; you're right, I misread your first comment. My bad. Just goes to show; always read the question twice, right kids?!
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  32. They don't decrease the population. They decrease the population growth. He says it if you listen to the end of his phrase. And the one being brought down to zero is the last one. For the rest, Arif C has summed it up already.
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  33.  @jeannabug94  I asked you if you had sources. So obviously you haven't. I know you haven't anyway because I've seen his other conferences. What is wrong with so many people that they can't understand simple English? Forget a second about putting your interpretation on his words and think about what he actually says. "6.8 billion going up to 9". How is that reducing population? I was never that good at maths in school, but I do know that 9 is bigger than 6.8.
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  34.  @joebidenisapedophile  https://africacheck.org/fbcheck/25-years-on-rumour-by-us-anti-contraceptive-organisation-still-damages-tetanus-vaccine-programmes/ Don't go mad because it's Africacheck; read the links.
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  35.  @spacemonkey1776  "all medication outside of vaccines may be held liable" Yes.... but not vaccines because they're so widespread. I said so earlier and explained why. "Some of the healthiest people I know have not been vaccinated" Can be read as "some of the luckiest people I know are still alive"; they're lucky because they didn't get exposed to mortal diseases, or lucky because everyone around them is vaccinated thus protecting them... "if you want to take vaccines this is America" Not for me it isn't; this is Europe. I must admit we have less obligatory vaccines than you guys, but that's political not medical. "when other people call out their BS don't get upset with him and call him conspiracy theorist. That's like someone telling you the sky is blue and you calling them a conspiracy theorist" No... not at all: if you call out someone you must have evidence against them. If someone says the sky is blue, they can show you evidence to support their claim. If they say the earth is flat, however, they need more than b*llsh*t youtube videos to convince anyone, they need some really hard evidence. " Everybody knows vaccines are not safe." What does "safe" mean? 100% sure? No, you're right, they're not. Maybe they're just better than nothing at all... Are car seatbelts 100% safe? No, but you've got way more chances of surviving an accident if you're wearing one. The "conspiracy theorist" is someone who connects dots that aren't necessarily linked and doesn't have actual evidence to back up their claims. Is Bill Gates all good? Maybe not... but bring on some real evidence please to show that what he's doing is bad.
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  36.  @barbied3034  Haha I get your point: guilty as charged! But.... and it's a big but.... It's a very difficult subject isn't it? A question of ethics, one which hasn't been resolved really anywhere in the world. I don't consider abortion to be baby killing, so I won't call it that. That's why I said "terminating pregnancy". The interpretation of when life begins is a very fuzzy line. It's the same with war, and the justification thereof. Is it ethical to send our children to fight in foreign countries and die for OUR ideals, not necessarily theirs? Is it ethical to kill anyone because of your beliefs? Maybe not. So you can't justify having an army (oversimplified I know, but you get the point). Is it ethical to eat meat? Some think not.... Should we all stop eating meat because of their beliefs? Murder seems unethical.... yet many countries have the death penalty for murder! That's quite a paradox! Is it ethical to kill fetuses (or unborn babies, if you prefer)? Some say yes, some say no. So who gets to decide? Maybe the mother is the best one to let decide, nobody else.
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  37.  @barbied3034  See? We agree! I as a man refuse to decide what's allowed or not for a woman with regards to what happens inside her body! I think nobody should be allowed to decide. If it went well for you, that's cool, but plenty aren't in your situation. Sorry but I don't believe in your God, so certainly don't give him supreme rights over everyone. "You can't say killing can be good based on morals" Yes I can. I can say it's bad too. Do you support your soldiers off fighting heroically in foreign lands? I don't. Bombing towns and cities full of civilians is not my idea of a good cause. Does the end justify the means? Tricky...... another one of those moral questions! Too easy to say "let God decide". No; we're here in this together, so we as a society have to decide.
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  38.  @rosetui6070  Well that's convenient isn't it? I know; let's stop supporting charities while we're at it, after all, it's God who decides everything, not us. I think I'll start chucking all my rubbish on the floor as well. See someone getting attacked in the underground at night? Don't bother doing anything; God will decide what to do, if anything.
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  39.  king c1337z  sigh....
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  40. I don't know....the title of the damn talk should be clear enough...
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  41.  @k.GarDel124  30% is still a lot... You wouldn't deny that we need to preserve it, would you?
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  42. Well you should've listened to the talk, instead of basing your views on what other people told you he said. ... but then again, why bother worrying about truth when your mind is already made up?
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  43. My predicted conversation with any conspiracy theorist: Here's what will happen, if we debate a bit: You'll say "Bill Gates wants to kill half the population, he was chucked out of India, Melinda is a man." I'll ask you for your sources, you'll either say "google it" or "do your own research" or "I don't give links anymore," or "watch the Corbett report" or you'll just carry on spouting random rubbish. Then I'll give you my sources, which clearly show you're wrong, but you'll refuse to read (yes READ, not watch, sorry!), saying it's all just biased reports paid by "Big Pharma". Conveniently for you, everything which doesn't go in your sense is sponsored by Bill Gates, including me and anyone else who disagrees with you. Since "almost all media" is apparently funded by Gates (funny how it includes media from every single country in the world), except what's on youtube (which is ironic because it's mainly thanks to him that we're on youtube in the first place), it's impossible to provide you with any evidence. Yet you will ask repeatedly, saying mine isn't good enough without giving any yourself. You will spout on about how evil he is, with lots of CAPITAL LETTERS (you're probably catholic, so I can understand that anyone who promotes contraception is evil to you, since you haven't evolved from the Dark Ages), and completely ignore anything I say. When I ask if at the very least you use Linux and not Windows, you won't reply. Am I wrong?
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  44.  @jeannabug94  I'm curious to see your sources. When does Bill Gates say he wants to depopulate the planet? 6.8 billion going up to around 9..... doesn't sound like depopulation to me. By the way, snopes is very useful for its sources: you don't have to believe their slant on things, just as you don't have to believe videos by random youtubers. The only important thing is the sources cited: that gives you the opportunity to check yourself and formulate your own opinion. Snopes is useful for that. Now, where are your sources?
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  45.  @jeannabug94  For f**ks sake listen to him! I can't argue this one any more if you're not willing to listen.
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  46.  @MarvFitBikesKicks  It does make sense, doesn't it? Maybe it's not the whole picture (he doesn't really go into contraception, for example), but it's a whole different story to what people are saying on youtube videos. There's an awful lot of deceiving titles and editing out there! Another thing you'll here about is his foundation being chucked out of India. That was easy to check up on too: https://pib.gov.in/newsite/mbErel.aspx?relid=158277 Even the Indian government was fed up with the rumours, so they released a statement themselves! I haven't finished delving into all that's said about him, but if it's anything like the first two things I come across.......get what I mean?!
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  47.  @spacemonkey1776  Well no, I don't consider abortion to be genocide for a start, and what on Earth would that have to do with Bill Gates? Surely each act of "murder" is the responsibility of the mother.... so individual cases.... so no genocide. I can't argue the case for abortion with you; it's purely ethical, there is no right or wrong. If you believe it's murder then ok, but in no way can it be genocide, and in no way is one person responsible for it. Also, where do you get your 60 million from?
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  48.  @spacemonkey1776  Yeah... that's your view. A bit too simplistic though: I think pretty much all governments are guilty of killing people one way or another. Genocide is a very specific thing and I really don't see how a mother killing her baby, if that's how you want to call it, can be guilty of genocide. Many countries have the death penalty. Some vegans believe meat-eating is murder. When does life begin? Morals and ethics change with time: we no longer consider it to be ethical to marry at fourteen. I say let the mother decide: why should you or I have the right to decide for her what's ethical or not?
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  49.  @spacemonkey1776  I don't know much about laws in your country, but wasn't that all about aborting in case it risked the mother's life?
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  50.  @spacemonkey1776  Funny how you said it's ok to eat animals because they're part of the food chain... implying that what's natural is ok. How about this then; some animals regulate their population by voluntary abortion or even eating their babies. Humans are part of the food chain, so can do the same thing, no? You deciding it's ok to eat meat is dependent on your personal set of morals. A vegan may well have a different set of morals.
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