Comments by "Tx240" (@Texas240) on "Jake Broe"
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43:06 re, Ukrainian feelings toward Russians
Jake, the 2014 Russian invasion of Ukraine and its impact on average Ukrainians was minor compared to the current war situation.
I have a friend who is Russian speaking that fled Donetsk during the 2014 invasion to a more western part of Ukraine (and lost her grandmother to artillery fired by the Russian proxy fighters because grandma wouldn't leave her home).
Even that most Ukrainians were unaffected by the 2014 invasion, my friend said that her and her elementary school aged daughter faced discrimination because they were Russian.
(Up until February 2022, my friend would say she was Russian, not Ukrainian, because of family heritage and she didn't really start learning Ukrainian until the 2022 invasion when speaking Russian, BEING Russian, became a no-no. Since February, she describes herself as Ukrainian, not because of discrimination but because she, like most Ukrainians, became incensed or pissed off by Russia's barbaric behavior and especially the destruction of cities through artillery bombardment...primarily Russian speaking cities where she still had friends and family.)
My point being that there was an unwelcome feeling from Ukrainians towards Russians in 2014. Now, it's more like hatred. Unless the Russian immigrants would already speak Ukrainian or English and have work skills, particularly construction or something else immediately valuable to Ukraine, I don't see Ukrainians welcoming Russians for quite a while.
In my Russian, now Ukrainian, friend's own words, "there's just something wrong with them (the Russians)".
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22:26 ask those people if they were supportive of our efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq. Our actions in Iraq led to a Civil War and Iraq becoming friendly with Iran (instead of a staunch enemy under Saddam).
We spent 20 years training, supplying, and equipping the Afghani military so that it could...surrender immediately when the Taliban came down from the mountains.
We were in those 2 ungrateful countries, jamming our fingers in their pies, without invitation, to give them freedom and democracy whether they wanted it or not.
We did that to help ensure US security by eliminating the Taliban and the supposed WMD of Iraq that could find their way into the hands of "terrorizers".
Sending aid to Ukraine is the same as the intent of our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan EXCEPT we're not risking American lives, the Ukrainians are fighting a civil war among themselves for control of their country, the Ukrainians are fighting Russia, which is also an enemy of the United States (with Russian TV presenters calling for Jihad against the US, among other more subtle activities). Further, unlike Iraq and Afghanistan, Ukraine is a European country and aspires to join the EU and NATO and become an actual ally.
Aid to Ukraine is important because they are fighting the same fight we did in 1776. We had significant help from France. How great would it be if we were still paying the tea tax because France didn't think it was important to help us.
Then, you can tell them the things Jake pointed out about Russia stealing Ukrainian children, trying to commit genocide, using rape as a war weapon, executing civilians both as the Russians enter an area and as they're forced back out, etc.
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