Comments by "Scented-leaf Pelargonium" (@scented-leafpelargonium3366) on "Middle East Eye"
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Is Hebron (Hebrew placename) not the burial place of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob and their wives who were the Patriarchs and Matriarchs of the Jewish/Israel nation, so how is their presence there "illegal"? Most of the placenames in the Holy Land are in Hebrew, not Arabic.
The Arabs lived in Arabia, and the Jews lived in Judea, each area named after the people, but now the Arabs claim Judea too, saying the Jews belong nowhere. They are both Semitic ("Shemitic") peoples (from Noah's son Shem) and descend from a common Patriarch Abraham and both were allocated land in the Middle East. Surely both peoples have a right to live in their historic lands. The problem is the worldview that only Arabs can live in the Middle East and have erased the Hebrew name of Judea and Israel into replacement terms of "West Bank" & "Palestine," named after the Philistines, not the Jews/Israel, which was the land of Philistia which roughly corresponds with the coastal Gaza strip today, not the whole land of Canaan.
Before 1948, under both British and Turkish governance, the Arabs and Jews were both called "Palestinian," the name never only pertaining to the Arabs only, and many Jews living there today had parents and grandparents who were "Palestinian" so it should really be "Arab Palestinians" in these political debates, just as the term "anti-Semitic" cannot apply to an Arab as he is Semitic too. But the world prefers the 'softer' Semitic term rather than the more accurate "anti-Jewish."
Even modern Bible maps use titles like "Palestine in the Time of Jesus" which is innacurate, if not biased, as the Gospel of St Matthew clearly describes an angel telling St Joseph when the Holy Family had fled to Egypt for protection from the killing of Jewish babies in Bethlehem (a Jewish town where King David was born), that he was to take the Child and His Mother and return to the "Land of Israel," (not "Palestine"), yet the Bible publishers write "Palestine"!
Political debate is important, but so is the correctness of the terminology and names we use if we want to stick to the truth of history and not be swayed by one-sided rhetoric & propaganda.
I'm sure there are many "Palestinian" Jews who can remember their families' homes in Hebron (Hevron) before the Arab massacre of the Jewish community there in 1929. And that was long before there was a State of Israel. There are grievances in every conflict, but dig into Jewish history as well to get a bit of balance and you might find that the Arabs haven't fared as badly.
I worked with both peoples for over a decade and they have more in common that you'd think.
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@ahintofhish07 Well obviously the authorities knew the Jewish family posed a much lesser risk to them than the people who are hostile towards Israel and many are ready to do harm.
Security is a pain in the neck and an inconvenience but it is there to save lives. If you have a problem with it maybe you should direct your disatisfaction/anger to those who actively oppose Israel, even though it was legally founded by the United Nations. If haters stop so does security.
There were always two long queues under scrutiny and in zoned off areas in airports when I travelled by air and they were only for Northern Ireland and Israel, two countries I have lived in.
I grew up with security in Northern Ireland just like Israeli children do and I did not realise that other countries did not have this until I went to England and stood at a shop door waiting to be searched but no one was there and there was more than just one entrance and exit but many doors! The only thing that causes security is hatred and terror attacks, no other reasons.
No one wants to inconvenience anyone or discriminate against any person, but risk is risk.
The Arabs are famous for hating Israel & attacking, which is why the Jews don't trust them.
Most Israelis I knew were moderate and simply wanted to live in peace. Arabs wanted Jihad.
As they say in Israel you don't make peace with your friends, you make peace with your enemies, and Israel only has to lose ONE war! Not all Muslims are suicide bombers, but all suicide bombers are Muslim, in Israel anyhow. I've never heard of a Jewish suicide bomber yet.
Both sides need to compromise, but while "from the river to the sea" remains a watchword the stalemate will remain, or worse. The sad thing is as cousins they both have a lot in common!
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@@shanelong5602 Well, the Irish do share the thirst for violence and terrorism with the Muslims that's for sure. They bring up the Famine more than the Jews bring up the Holocaust.
The British also left infrastructure, railways, modernisation, and left Georgian buildings and castles for the Irish population to enjoy today, otherwise the peasant people might still be living in thatched cottages and digging up peat from the bogs without that British civilisation and advancement.
The countries of the world were asked to take Jews during the Holocaust years, but most refused, not only the British, when it comes to refusing aid for the suffering and dying.
The Ottomans and the British have one thing in common, they both governed Palestine, and neither made it into an Arab state, although the world seems to imagine that the Palestinian Arabs had one prior to the State of Israel, although that is not the case as the country contained communities of Palestinian Jews too, the name never pertaining only to the Arabs.
The Irish on the other hand when civilisation was at the brink of being taken over by a violent dictator in WWII decided to remain "neutral" not standing up for anything, so not so brave after all.
It's easy to pick from history, and there will always be conflicting narratives, but we are in the here and now. Jews are still being murdered in their beds and the Irish support the terrorists! 🤯
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@@shanelong5602 There WAS. Look up "Celtic Church". Tell me your findings.
The Celtic Church across Britain and Ireland differed greatly in doctrine and practice to the Church of Rome on the continent. Saints such as Patrick, Columba, Columbanus, Fursey, Gall and many others kept the Sabbath-keeping practices of the Quartodeciman ("14th") churches founded by John the Apostle across Asia Minor and kept Passover instead of the Roman invention of "Easter," as did Polycarp, Bishop of Smyna and Polycrates, Bishop of Ephesus in the 190's when they both wrote to the Bishop of Rome refusing to accept the new Roman "Easter."
The Irish Christians followed suit, refusing also to eat unclean animals, such as pork and shellfish, and like the Jews did not have celibate clergy. Columbanus, from my home town of Bangor, County Down, wrote to the Pope calling him a heretic because of the papal "Easter," and was eventually imprisoned in Europe as the Roman bishops were against His teaching.
This all changed at the Synod of Whitby, when the Roman prelates convinced King Oswy of Northumbria to accept "Easter" over over Passover (as it was deemed to be too "Jewish") and made the Irish missionaries headed up by Colman to be simple uneducated peasants.
Thus the British Church turned Roman from that point, with even so-called "Protestants" keeping the Roman "holy days", such as the Mass of Christ ("Christ-Mass"), "Easter," and fasting on "Lent" etc without question even to this day. The Irish Christians retreated to the remote isles of Iona and Lindisfarne till they eventually ebbed into obscurity, so much so that people not educated in these matters will say that there was no such thing as a Celtic Church at all. ☘
The Celtic traditions kept going in small pockets, but with Roman Catholic emmissaries sent from Rome to galvinise the papal holidays and dogma the island of Ireland evetually too became "Roman" in Christian practice. Ireland was never colonised by Rome, but it did not escape the clutches of the Roman ecclesiastical system which wiped out Celtic Christianity island-wide.
The last vestige of the Celtic Church was believed to be at the Hill of Tara in the 11th century, the word Tara coming from the Hebrew word "Torah" meaning "God's Law", by which time monasticism began to hold sway with the various orders of monks in many monasteries.
Now some Catholic churches name their buildings after these Celtic "saints" but if they were alive today they would not have their names attached to the Sunday-keeping Roman churches, which now includes Protestants, that they fought so hard and taught against for centuries.
I am interested where you got your information that there was no pre-Roman Celtic church in Ireland, as I am always happy to be proven wrong if the history books I have been reading over the past 40 years on this subject are all wrong. Of course, one must always try to find the earliest manuscripts as later hagiographies written by Roman-leaning historians will often write with a favour to the position they hold, and will often omit facts as a result or add some embellishments which must be analysed with the knowledge of the possibility of bias.
For instance, Columba, from Movilla, six miles from where I live, became the Apostle of Scotland converting the Picts and settling on the island of Iona across from Mull & Oban.
He was a Saturday Sabbath-keeper as all Celts were, and his death was recorded as being on the Sabbath, and as with Jews, this is believed to be a sign of an auspicious death from God.
However, later Roman Catholic books write that Columba died on the "Lord's Day," which is cobbled up to be purpisely ambiguous, as most Catholics call Sunday the "Lord's Day," thus the history becomes changed and also helps to promote Roman Catholic practice and doctrine.
Of course if using the term "Sabbath of the LORD" as found in Scripture, ostensibly it could also be described as the "Lord's Day," however, it is clear that the refusal to include the word "Sabbath" which at all times in the Bible refers to Saturday and never Sunday, is a delibetate attempt by Roman historians to effect the perception that Columba died on Sunday and not Saturday.
These things may not seem important, but these were the very issues the Celts stood for.
This erasure of history is very successful, hence your own admission of no Celtic Church. 🙃
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