Comments by "神州 Shenzhou" (@Shenzhou.) on "WION"
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+Lemni Skate Chinese have PLA troops in Pakistan to protect construction of our roads and infrastructure there. CPEC is extremely costly project, and the government wants protect our investments from terrorists and possible sabotage is all. China does not claim Bhutan as part of our territory. Unlike Tibet, Bhutan had no history of being under the suzerainty of China, instead being under British suzerainty during the British Raj,
India doesn't claim Doklam/Donglong area as part of its territory, so how does building infrastructure in the disputed area threaten Indian sovereignty at all? But by sending troops there, they are entering Chinese territory uninvited. Bhutan claims Doklam as part of its territory, but hasn't shown any official proof to verify its claims, so how why does India just support Bhutan claims like that?
Our government has at least produced maps, and 1890 agreement to support our claims, unlike Bhutanese government. Why does India give Bhutan the benefit of the doubt then?
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+Ranvir Singh Firstly, in the world of business, not every business transaction is automatically successful. Hambantota port was in debt, because Sri Lankan government choose to borrow excessively from China, without thinking of paying off the loan. China did not force Sri Lankan leader to borrow money, we only dispersed loans as requested.
What makes you think Chinese people aren't concentrating our attention on improving our living standards? According to World Bank, China’s poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to mere 6.5% in 2012. According to UNESCO, adult literacy rate of China increased from 65.5 % in 1982 to 96.4 % in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39 %. This is impressive percentage, considering that China is worlds most populous country, and poverty dropping from 88% to 6% and having over 90% literacy. Even our average life expectancy (comparable to India in the past) has doubled according to the following source.
Source: Life Expectancy at Birth in China, Europe, USA and India: 1950-2100 china-profile.com/data/fig_WPP2010_L0_Boths.htm
But look at poverty in India, and India's life expectancy. Even India's literacy is only 72.1%, so why not focus on fixing your own country's problems, instead of "worrying" about Pakistan?
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+Bolly Movies The radio telescope is long-term project and much preparation needs to be done to ready it for active service. Such huge device requires multiple calibrations for accuracy and will probably be ready after some time. This is no surprising for world's largest telescope, and in the meantime astronomers can be trained to handle it once it is ready. After all, even if there is qualified and available scientist today, he or she won't be able to start work, until the telescope is fully calibrated to specifications. Hence, there is no real need to hire a qualified scientist immediately.
As for our "ghost towns" they are slowly being filled as China's rural population continues to filter in sporadically. There are still many poor people in countryside, and time is needed to get them to adapt to life in the cities. For example, Zhengzhou 郑州 was "ghost city" in 2010, but it is slowly being filled by rural Chinese finding work in the cities. Source: https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2012/06/china-ghost-cities-being-filled.html
All of the above are China's long term projects. Of course you don't see any benefits in short term. You need to look further into 2020s, 2030s, 2050s to really see the benefits.
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+Adityaa Chaubey According to you example, what happens if Jackie Chan suddenly becomes richest man on earth? The fault in the treaty lies with the wording at that moment in time, so how can it be accurate? On the other hand, Mount Gipmochi is an absolute, mentioned in the treaty, so why isn't it recognized?
So if India claims that the treaty cancels itself, then it has no right to claim Batang La as the tri-junction, based on the 1st verse of the treaty. If India chooses not to recognize the treaty, then what right does it have to refer to the 1st verse in the treaty for its claims? If India designates Batang La as the tri-junction, then why wasn't China consulted, or even informed of such an important change in tri-junction?
You are the one insulting me and looking down on me. I don't insult you but you have called me a fool and constantly ridicule me with your words.
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+Al Kuffar Malnutrition in China? Why don't you look at India's malnutrition rates first before complaining about China's? Rates of malnutrition among India’s children are almost five times more than in China, and twice those in Sub-Saharan Africa. Nearly half of all India’s children - approximately 60 million - are underweight, about 45% are stunted (too short for their age), 20% are wasted (too thin for their height, indicating acute malnutrition), 75% are anemic, and 57% are Vitamin A deficient. Six states - Bihar, Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, and Uttar Pradesh - account for over half of India’s malnutrition cases.
Source: India’s child malnutrition are almost five times more than in China worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2013/05/13/helping-india-combat-persistently-high-rates-of-malnutrition
Like I said, why don't you fix your own country's pressing problems first, before complaining about China and Pakistan?
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+King Mohan But war is not best course of action for India here. Firstly, India does not claim Donglong/Doklam as part of India, so why send its troops there to die on foreign soil if war breaks out?
Secondly, India's economy still growing, and war is extremely expensive affair. Rich country like USA can afford to have so many wars in Middle East, which estimated cost American taxpayers $3 trillion dollars to support war effort. But can India or China afford such a war breaking out in Asia, and costing us decades of progress?
Lastly, while India and China are fighting, Pakistan may take this opportunity to expand while India is distracted, probably in disputed regions like Jammu and Kashmir. Can India afford to fight a war on more than one front? India won't gain Doklam for itself, and may possibly end up losing territory to Pakistan.
The final note, is that both our nations are nuclear states, and a nuclear war will only decimate Asia and leave radioactive fallout that will plague Asia for generations, like Japanese cities bombed by USA that are still suffering aftereffects even till today.
It is with these reasons why I imply that going to war is no good for both our countries.
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+Mohit Khanna Chinese government would do the exact same things like what is happening now in Donglong. The government would make multiple repeated requests for Indian government to withdraw its troops from our territory, in order to avoid provoking any war because of misunderstandings. We will give Indian government time to process its thoughts, but we will not be lulled into making the first shot. Indian troops are already invading territory they do not claim as their own uninvitedly, so by various definitions, they are already considered invaders
China is one of the biggest trade partners with USA, Japan, Australia and Vietnam and these countries won't want to lose their economic links to China, because of a territorial dispute by India, for land that India doesn't even claim for itself. Furthermore, Bhutan does not maintain foreign relations with USA, so why would USA want to support Bhutan's territorial claims?
And this thread was started by me, so who are you to tell me to stop commenting? You people constantly mock and insult me and don't even give evidence to support your claims, so what makes think you are justified?
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+Adityaa Chaubey Chinese government has provided ample evidence support our claims, including maps and treaties. Also, what about Bhutanese government evidence at all? What right does Indian government have to take on Bhutan's territorial claims for itself? The treaty between India and Bhutan only says that India will help Bhutan, but does not say that India will fight for Bhutan's territorial claims?
You constantly mock and insult me for my evidence, but you expect me to believe you when you have no solid evidence of your own? Where is proof of ownership that Bhutan controls that territory, and why isn't Bhutan even publishing its own evidence to support its territorial claim?
+Mohit Khanna The Straits of Malacca is so much further from Andaman and Nicobar islands, and Straits is still within waters of Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia etc. so how does that obstruct Chinese trade? Furthermore like I said, China is big trading partners with USA, Europe and rest of world. You think USA, Europe etc would tolerate Indian blockade prevent Chinese goods from reaching those countries?
All you people shown is that you dimiss any evidence I provide, belittle Chinese people and our armies, and still expect me to believe you? If war breaks out, the conflict won't be restricted to Donglong, but in other contested areas like Ladakh and so on. China has demonstrated the ability to take out a satellite in orbit from a ground -launched missile (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-satellite_weapon ) and is 3rd country in world to achieve that currently. The government can also apply cyberattacks (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberattack#China.2C_United_States_and_others ) and other venues of attack, such as disrupting India's economy and so on.
But Chinese people don't want war, which is why the government giving India plenty of time to commit to its choice. War is not in our countries interest, and will only hurt our economies while Western countries continue to progress. The BRICS summit is happening soon in China, and our countries should take this opportunity to discuss issues. We should be cooperating to resist Western influence in our countries, not fighting amongst ourselves.
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+Adityaa Chaubey The only contradiction in the treaty is that the highest watershed was assumed to be Mount Gipmochi. But it is also explicitly stated that Mt Gipmochi is the trijunction. If you continue to mock my evidence, then what evidence does Indian government have to show for its claims? You have no evidence of your own, yet you continue ridiculing me?
You claim Bhutanese troops tried stop PLA road construction? Then where are these Bhutanese troops now? We have claimed withdrawal of Indian troops from our territory many times, but not Bhutanese troops, because they aren't there. So what makes you say Bhutanese army even entered Donglong in the first place?
You really think international committee siding with India? Bhutan doesn't even have diplomatic relations with other UNSC members, which are USA, Britain, France, Russia. So why would these countries care about supporting Bhutanese territorial claims, especially since Bhutanese government has not shown evidence to support its claims? China is big trading partners with all these countries, so you think they willing to risk their economies to side with India against China for territory India does not claim as its own, and Bhutan has no proof of ownership?
I think someone else here is dreaming, and needs to wake up here. Even if these UNSC remains neutral in our territorial dispute, China still has Pakistan that stands to benefit by perhaps taking the opportunity to expand its claims on Kashmir, while India being distracted by China,
Lastly, I don't insult or mock your entire race like what you are doing to Chinese people. Chinese people have been shown to be among the most hardworking and intelligent people, with long history and culture spanning 5000 years. Our culture greatly influenced other East Asian countries like Japan and Korea, and these countries have also succeeded in their own ways and are some of world's newest developing economies. Our culture has also spread beyond to the West, so much that there are Chinatown enclaves in virtually every major city in the world.
So who are you to call insult and label all Chinese people "a disease which needs to be treated"? You are simply despicable person to resort to using such derogatory terms against our people.
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+Global Thinker +nn bhardwaj China builds infrastructure and roads to help develop the economies of other less developed countries, like Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and South Africa.
-In Pakistan, China has $60 million dollar CPEC deal to build modern transportation networks, ports, energy projects to power Pakistan's economic growth.
-In 2009 China lent $10 billion to Kazakhstan to develop its industries.
-In 2007, China began construction of a 770-kilometre railway connecting the Tibetan capital of Lhasa with the Nepalese border town of Khasa, connecting Nepal to China's wider national railway network, as part of Qinghai railway.
-China loaned Nepal $7 billion dollars for construction of port in Hambantota.
-China has offered to construct nuclear power plants in Bangladesh to help power its economy.
-China has also build many roads, railways, schools, hospitals and hotels in Africa.
In short, China's dream is to make Asia and Africa strong, by building roads and helping these economies develop strong, stable economies. But India is against building of such roads, and constantly poses an obstacle to Asia's economic growth. What is India's dream of a growing Asia then? For poorly developed countries to remain poor forever? China does not follow USA's method of building 700+ military bases in other countries, but to develop economic links with countries so that prosperity can be shared.
How do Indians expect Asia to rise at all, if we aren't even allowed to build roads?
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+Desham Pravesh If India wants NSG so bad, then why not sign Non-Proliferation Treaty first? If you claim uranium will run out 40 years time, and thorium is the new uranium, then why does India want to enter in NSG in first place, when it has thorium like you claim? Like I said, beside China, other countries also oppose India's entry into NSG like New Zealand, Ireland and Austria. You need full approval of all 48 countries to join NSG.
China wants to make Asia strong, by building infrastructure and roads in Pakistan, Kazakhstan, other -stan countries, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh and even in South African countries like Angola, Nigeria, Djibouti. But Indian government is constantly opposing Chinese road construction and obstructing Asia's growth.
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