Comments by "神州 Shenzhou" (@Shenzhou.) on "laowhy86"
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If you claim that people tend to blame their surroundings as opposed to themselves, their personality or being lazy, then why are you doing that exactly while in China? If Chinese people blame our surroundings, instead of ourselves for being lazy, then China would have remained dirt poor, undeveloped and starving, instead of becoming world's 2nd largest economy today. We worked to get where we are today, not by blaming the circumstances of our country.
As for US social programs, there are many jobless people in USA, who make a living by sponging off government welfare packages and collecting food stamps, instead of actually finding a job and contributing back to society, while the hardworking people pay taxes to support such a system and propagate the cycle. So why do you think China wants to adopt such social programs, when all it seems to do is encourage lazyness among people?
Our current social programs aren't perfect, or as good as the West, but we don't want to just blindly follow Western welfare programs, and fall into the same "traps" USA did. China should study thoroughly the advantages and disadvantages of such systems, and work towards finding a balanced program of our own instead. This is just my opinion that's all.
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+skilthedesert Every country have their form of freedom. Is it freedom when you can own guns and start shooting people because of freedom? No. There are laws in place, so its simply that China's laws are stricter than most countries. Flag burning/desecration is also illegal in Austria, Finland, France, Germany, India, Ireland, Israel, Japan, South Korea, Switzerland etc.
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Since 1980s, Chinese workers helped to build infrastructure in African countries (Nigeria, Angola, Kenya, Ethiopia, etc.) like roads, railways, highways, schools, hospitals, hotels, shopping centers, football stadiums and telecommunication projects.
China has done much in Africa in decades compared to what Westerners did in Africa for centuries.
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+Darren Carter I have been to America (New York, San Fransico, Ames, Minneapolis) and sometimes have been told by rude Americans to "Go Back to China" and "Stop Stealing our Jobs" and other such things. My Chinese friends living there, say although on the surface its America is calm, below it has just as much racism below the surface and isn't that similar to what laowhy is going through in China?
As for the different immigration policies, its up to each country whether they want to impose strict or lenient immigration policies. China has the world's largest population, and we don't really need more immigrants, so that's why applying for a citizenship in China is harder. But I am not talking about applying for citizenship alone, I'm talking about viewing yourself as one of the locals as compared to viewing yourself as a foreigner.
Chinese Mandarin is the most spoken language in the world by the number of speakers. As for the language difficulty, it is relative and I can also say English is a difficult language to learn to isn't it? But as for Chinese courses, how rare are they exactly? Every part of the world has at least some Chinese people living there and there are bound to be tuition classes available to take.
Another factor is immersion in culture also helps people pick up the language faster. For example, in America people speak English, Spanish, French, etc, and so on, so a Chinese person living in America may pick up other languages besides English. But in China, everything is in Chinese, so from a language viewpoint, it should be much easier to pick up Chinese when you are immersed in such a culture.
The fact that laowhy and serpentza still speak such poor Mandarin, despite immersing themselves in China, hearing Mandarin all the time, taking on Chinese wives, and living in China for about 10-15 years (they arrive in China in early 2000s I think) clearly shows that they make little effort in adapting to Chinese culture and learning the language properly.
Lastly, about your example of an Chinese living America and an Non-Chinese living in China. In your case, I would also agree that the Chinese living in America clearly doesn't consider herself an American. She clearly refuses to speak English, and assimilate into American culture properly. If you approach her and ask her personally, she will probably answer that she don't consider herself American, even if she's living in America.
And your example is reflected in laowhy and serpentza living China, but not speaking the language or attempting to integrate into Chinese culture and language.
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Chinese workers come to African countries like Nigeria, Angola, Kenya, etc, to help build roads, railways, highways, infrastructure, schools, hotels, hospitals, shopping centers, football stadiums, telecommunication projects, to make African society better. China has done much in Africa in decades, compared to what Westerners did in Africa for centuries.
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Michael S. About the car analogy, perhaps its not the broken tires at fault, but maybe the exhaust pipes produces lots of poisonous smoke (since you are highliting China's pollution and food poisoning). Ultimately China's goal is for the car to keep on moving (i.e. for China to keep on progressing). So the government will pay attention anything that helps the car to move, such as better engines, better tires, better car batteries, more passenger seats (which translate to better manufacturing, better technology, more houses, etc) and focus less on getting airbags, getting better exhaust pipes, etc.
I mean, China has lots and lots of problems as a developing nation, so realistically, you can't expect the government to solve each and every problem. The government is allocating precious time, effort, manpower, materials and resources to only the most important problems (poverty, employment, education, housing, etc). All the relatively minor problems (food poisoning, pollution, etc) will have to take a backseat to the more pressing issues. I mean, regarding food poisoning, why not first ensure that everyone in China gets food to eat in the first place? Every problem is either serious or not serious with respect to other problems, and the government has to choose which problem to deal with first and which to put aside. Its sad but true, you can't solve every problem with your limited resources.
You personally may not think their videos are very negative, but when is the last time laowhy or serpentza said anything good about China? They may proclaim "I love China" but if you look at their behavior, their mannerism and even their facial expressions, you can tell that they don't mean what they say when they like China. I mean, I have literally never seen laowhy and serpentza hang out with any Chinese friends (apart from their Chinese wives) They always hang out with other foreigners in China (and usually the same few people like Prozzie) There's nothing fundamentally wrong with that, but it gives off the impression that they aren't assimilating into China that's all.
Its not me alone that feels this way. many other Chinese people have seen their videos and notice this particular trend. laowhy and serpentza post videos entitled "Are Chinese girls easy?" and "China's masculinity crisis" in order to attract people afflicted by yellow fever to come watch them.
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Rudolf Adler te envita Studies have shown that Asians are among the most intelligent and diligent people, with long histories and rich cultures. People often stereotype Asians as hardworking, smart, good at math, good at science, good with money and having a good head for business. Stereotypical Asian jobs in the past have an element of hard work to them, such as railroad construction workers, rickshaw drivers, laborers (coolies), chefs (of Chinese restaurants) dry cleaners, laundromat workers, massage parlours and nail salons. If they save up money to send their kids to school, then their kids often studied hard, and not fool around in school, graduating to take on stereotypical Asian jobs like doctors, dentists, lawyers, engineers, programmers, bankers, scientists, businessmen, etc.
Of course this is all merely stereotypes people have about Asians and not all of us follow the above stereotypes. But it must have happened enough times for people to form such stereotypes about Asians. We are often considered to be the "model minority" that is, possessing positive traits such as being seen as industrious, politically inactive, studious, intelligent, productive, and inoffensive people who have elevated their socioeconomic standing through merit, self-discipline and diligence.
But of course in reality every race has their own strengths and weaknesses.
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For example, some Westerners like to complain about the Chinese government abolishing our president term limits. Well then, how do you expect to make long term plans far into the future, if your president has to step down after 4-8 years? China has many 5-year plan, 10-year plan, 20-year plan, 30-year plans set in motion, to map out our future and set goals to achieve by 2020, 2030, 2040, 2050, etc.
In contrast, American presidential term limits only allow US presidents to make short-term plans spanning 4-8 years at the most. After that, the president is forced to step down and your country can't plan longer than 10 years into the future. For example, can you imagine what America will be like in 10 years time? How about 20 years into the future? But for China, we have big plans that are already set in motion by our government.
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+Captain Midnight How is Tibet a nation? Tibet today is an autonomous region of People's Republic of China, as recognized by UN countries like USA, UK, France, Russia, Germany, etc. When people draw the map of PRC, Tibet is regarded as part of Chinese territory by countries all over the world.
Falun Gong is a cult whose cult leader believes that he attained immortality and encourage his followers to donate their savings to him. Even early-stage cancer patients (who could possibly be saved) have been swayed to refuse seeking medical treatment for their condition, and believe that Falun Gong practice will cure their cancer. Look at Falun Gong leader Li Hongzhi 李洪志 living in posh mansion in USA and driving expensive cars, and do you think he is being oppressed at all?
You constantly mock Chinese people lack of recognition, then what about the Japanese lack of recognition for their war crimes? Japanese committed various war atrocities across Asia, from China, Korea, Philippines and there is plenty of evidence for all of this. So far, all the things you mention about China were committed on Chinese citizens, not other races like what Japanese did to Chinese ,Koreans, etc, so again how is all of the points you mentioned related to issues of racism?
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Michael S. People who are foreigners will tend to remain foreigners when they themselves refuse to assimilate into their host country. For example, as a foreigner yourself in America, perhaps do Americans perceive you as one of their own? Do you call Americans your own countrymen, perhaps just like you regard America as your home? Its different just surviving day-to-day in a country, and to actually live in a country.
These guys aren't perfect yes, and my own views differ greatly from theirs indeed. Its because while growing up in China in 1980s, my family was poor, despite both my parents being working engineers. In the 90s, our family shifted into an apartment. By early 2000s, we could afford our first computer, and then by 2010s every one of our family had a smartphone of our own. It just goes to show that where you grew up greatly influences your viewpoint, just like you have sharing some of your own personal experience growing up in America as well here. But to these guys, it appears China is just a country for them to voice their complains, instead of calling it their homeland.
I agree that a better future only happens if we work together on what can be improved. Its true that China has pollution, corruption, energy needs, etc, but a strong firm government is needed to implement change. For example, China built the world's largest hydroelectric power station, Three Gorges Dam to help supply China with renewable green energy to power our growth. China is still heavily coal-dependent, but is taking steps to ban fossil fuel powerplants and switch to green energy. And corruption is rampant in our government, but President Xi is at least conducting corruption crackdown campaign and doing something about it.
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Michael S. I personally believe, that if you want to fit into a new culture, you should start by seeing yourself as one of the local people. Like supposedly if I want to fit in America, I would think of what Americans want, what are American people's dreams and aspirations, what are their fears and so on. Once you start seeing yourself as a local, then the locals should start seeing you as them. But if you continually see yourself as a foreigner, then locals will also see you as a foreigner.
Agreed that family finances affect your viewpoint and overall outlook. People born without having to worry about food, or safety and security (like in America for example) will have different view, from someone who grew up worrying about the next meal. China is still not as well off as America, so people coming to China will find that things are not to their standards.
About positivity, its a good idea to balance both positivity and negativity in videos, so its kinda sad that people like laowhy and serpentza choose to post more negative videos than positive ones (especially the latest ones). I don't mind watching negative videos about China (China is not perfect after all) but if those guys continually post negative video after negative video, then it starts to get a little suspicious after a while.
There are actually many good things about China, but these people seem to concentrate only the negatives. Food poisoning, pollution, censorship, corruption, I'm sure many people heard these before, but they keep on rehashing the same stuff in each episode. So many Chinese people eat the food here in China, and many people don't suffer poisoning. Maybe some people will get food poisoning because of poor body or something, but otherwise millions of Chinese survive (and enjoy) eating our food.
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