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@davidcox4436 7.62 NATO is not an intermediate cartridge. It's a sligthly-less-than-completely-stupid cartridge. It managed to cut down on recoil while not compromising on effective range. The 6.5 Swedish does that even better, and honestly would have been a better cartridge than both 7.62 and 5.56 as it strikes a balance that would make it usable for both LMGs and combat rifles. And yes, I've shot all three extensively.
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I was trained on the single use AT4, and they also have a similar system. They shot 9mm parabellum tracer rounds. We ever only got to fire one real during our entire training.
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Welp. Now their name is on the gun at least.
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Uhm, Ian? This gun was never designed for domestic use. Denmark was looking into becoming a weapons exporter (an idea we've since given up on) and Elbonia just had really strange requirements. They figured that it's easier to shoot a pistol lying down, so they wanted the handle swept back. And they wanted to be able to, at least partially, produce ammo locally, so they demanded wooden bullets with alu jackets because they had plenty of furniture and empty beer cans. It still remains unclear whatever that they wanted to lie down shooting is related to the fact that all their beer cans were empty.
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I'm pissed that the Danish army went with the M60E6 to replace the ageing fleet of MG3s we had. Sure, the foot guys don't like to carry the ammo, but 90% of our MG3s were vehicle roof mounts... and those things lay down an impressive amount of arguments for the enemy to decide to keep their heads down. Waaay down.
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@jastrapper190 Of all the 3500+ deities that have been documented thus far only one is real and all the others are just some silly made up nonsense. The problem just is that nobody can agree on which one is real, and thus we have endless wars over things we can't see, hear, touch, smell or taste. But it's all justified because you can feel it. Your feelings are the real ones, and the others are just hallucinating. Make this make sense....
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And eye drops because some kicked up shit will find its way under your shooting glasses.
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That was an oversimplification. "They're all still made in China, in a million different factories, to a million different quality standards, and then assembled... somewhere (which is probably also China)" would be the correct summary.
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Considering he has shown up at the range with the most archaic contraptions, some approaching a century old, and STILL beaten half the pack, I'd just take it as a sign of my skill that he at least did it with a NEW gun.
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The Estonians would very much prefer to be clearly distinguished form the Elbonians. Despite a similar starting point, of systemic corruption and nepotistic spread of incompetence, the Estonians have made effective and impressive strides towards an actually working society. I had the good fortune of training two batches of them in the mid to late 90s, and I saw them serve in Bosnia and Kosovo. I can attest that I would rather have an Estonian have my back in combat than any of our central/western Europe allies.
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@xexecuterxx Considering how much beefier the bolt and gas piston was, and considering the very thin sheet metal shoulder stock was replaced with solid wood I think there's room for quite a bit of weight gain. Especially as the original receiver was already very thin walled.
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@CaeridLock. That most certainly depends on what they were doing there. I can absolutely assure you that Poland, the Nordics and the Baltics would cheer and hoot if Macron suddenly says "Yes, we have troops in Ukraine and they're actively fighting the Russian army".
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Henry and Josh from 9 Hole Reviews would have done a good job too.
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You're not the only Frenchman to think so. I mean, the GSG9 actively invited Ian to take a look at their signature gun. I have a feeling the GSG9 is not exactly looking for publicity, and that their total invite list of all time is frighteningly short... And even shorter for civilians... And yet again shorter when it comes to civilians who aren't French citizens...
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Ian... you could present the development and history of an obscure Elbonian carpet manufacturer and I'd still feel entertained and enlightened!
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Small Danish entrepreneurial thinking, of the time, in a nutshell. The less retooling the better. But janky unreliable crap is unacceptable too so complexity becomes an art form. It's funny, though, that if you look at the design philosophies that made Danish furniture all the rage in the 50s you still see the same thinking, but in reverse: To avoid complicated tooling there was an enormous focus on making simplistic shapes look clean, harmonic and deliberate. And it paid off, as it sparked an entire industry of small volume, but rather pricy, functional ornaments that sell internationally and retain their value very well.
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@shable1436 Nope, they run forever on standard 9mm FMJ Parabellum. And the repeatability of the barrel nut is within the expected precision of standard loads.
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The disturbing lack of speed holes makes it a complete no-go for Elbonia. Drill 70-90 5-6mm holes randomly everywhere in the polymer and we might have a winner.
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@no1DdC The problem is that sending firearms in the mail is a hassle. Many other review items are much easier to do the "when you're done reviewing it, here's a pre-paid package label for the next reviewer" type arrangement with. That said: Plenty of computer component channels I follow get sent 5 different $1800-2200 graphics cards and have no problem ripping them a new one if they didn't do a good job.
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@joshuabrown7815 Ian explicitly explained how the disconnector in the linear hammer worked. The "disconnector" in the trigger mechanism is only there to give you the sensation of a clean break.
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@roddydykes7053 On a suppressive fire weapon there IS no quality of trigger pull. You yank the bastard in until the ugga dugga starts making noise and then you try your best to direct the narrow cone of tracer stripes onto that thing that you decided you didn't like. Once they have their heads down the light mortars take over while you try to keep the gun pointed at roughly where you last saw the baddies. When the radio suddenly goes "Identify target?" you send another short burst that way. The Germans were apparently economical in their thinking when they decided that it would be a waste to shoot more than one round when doing target identification :P That being said: The Swedes are the only ones who designates these types of weapons properly according to their role... the literal translation is "a bullet sprayer" :P
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@sebastianriz4703 "I best hold on to this cross pin while I disassemble it or the whole mechanism goes sproing out on the table" is mine.
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Ian... you HAVE to give Henry a chance to shoot this one for a 9-Hole Review!
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On the other hand... if anyone is ever going to be allowed to it's going to be Ian...
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Epic quote! :D
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The combination becomes: An intricate mechanism that makes sure you can just grab the magazine and yank without having to accurately hit the button. The question then obviously becomes: can you make a big ergonomic button that is easy to operate fast, but doesn't catch on vegetation or clothing, for less material and machining operations. The answer to that is probably: Yes.
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@jeromethiel4323 In the Danish army these were used by motor cycle scouts, CQC assault squads, the Jægers, etc. Those aren't "poorly trained troops" by any stretch of the imagination. The M50 will hit a torso target at 75m all day every day. And yes, it's very easy to do singles with - the slow rate of fire was deliberate.
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Especially the 50 BMG is just... Impossible to wear out.
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I suspect that's because we don't see the part before the camera comes on where he goes: "Uhh.. if this is connected here.. yeah, that must be.. no?.. aaah! ok! I get it now... I think that this- SPROING ... $@#!!! that was not a captive spring!..." :P
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He had to walk three minutes to set it up.
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@udp1073 One? I want TWO! Shooting one in each hand with the classic "stock pinched with elbow" grip will make 100% I never hit anything while having at least 572% more fun than the other shooters.
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Short recoil, rotating bolt... with SPEED HOLES! What's not to like?
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@vickersmg Direct invitation please! :P He gets a TON of comments per video, so I suspect he won't see otherwise.
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Ian was actively invited by the GIGN to come have a look at their signature weapon... It came relatively shortly after his book on French military rifles, so I my theory is that it was decided in the upper echelons that Ian should be recognized for his work. But informally... because France :P TL;DR: Ian has been in back rooms no other civilian, let alone foreigners, has ever ventured.
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@mistermonkey5842 Seriously, if Ian sat down and wrote a 300 page book of pure and utter fictional nonsense on Elbonian arms history, with accompanying "wider context", along with Headstamp's usual high quality fotos of the most obnoxious "Bubba guns" this world has ever seen, then it would sell like freaking HOTCAKES.
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Normal SWAT teams: "You're coming with us dead or alive... but probably dead!" GIGN: "We'll turn you into Jesus rather than let you die! We said: YOU COMMIN' WITH US!" Mr Prouteau is an absolute legend, and it was a real pleasure to hear the fantastic tales behind both GIGN and the MR73. That confidence shot really puts things into perspective. As a former artillery man who addresses shells "To whom this may concern" that was a quite different take on things. I really like the "You're not certified to shoot in a hostage situation until you can shoot at your own buddy without sweating it"-philosophy....
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By Ian's reputation and "street cred" pretty much world wide I have the sneaking suspicion that the guys who go "sheesh, not this guy again" keep it to themselves and just puts up a phoney smile....
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@tcbbct509 Ford can very well make "LS" engines. Note the quotes. Building an engine which has all the same critical dimensions (key word being critical), but is developed from the ground up by Ford would hold up in court perfectly fine. Unless they use a manufacturing process which is under valid patent by GM, use a mechanism in the engine which is under valid patent by GM or directly make moulds off an actual LS engine (wouldn't work anyway) there is nothing to sue for. Making interchangeable parts is not illegal. You can buy pretty much every single component of an LS engine from alternate vendors. Obviously they're "the performance variant" with a corresponding price tag, but you can already build an "LS" which has exactly zero GM parts in it because the remaining parts are from subcontractors to GM (bearings, seals, bolt, etc). And this is because there is absolutely nothing left under valid patent for a pushrod V8. You can't patent dimensions alone. Heck, you can't even copyright dimensions.
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At the notion of a "recently found" Icelandic saga I was like "Huh? where would they have found THAT in readable condition?". When the "sheep accident" happened I went "Ian wouldn't have done that if this was serious research.... something's sus here". But in between those two I was like "This would be AWESOME if it turned out to be the case!". Damn you Gun Jesus. My faith in you is too great! :P
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@browncoat697 Recent events prove that "Soviets" just meant "Russians who held dominion over others" and thus when everyone gave the Soviet "union" the middle finger they were demoted to "just Russians" again. However, since the invasion of Crimea, and recently other large portions of Ukraine they once again qualify as "Russians who hold dominion over others", which without much reductionist logic makes them qualify as "Soviets" once more..... And that's the hill I'll die on! :P
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You can say what you want about Elbonia, but their armed services are one of the armed services of all time!
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I hope so too! And getting a bit more "Yes, Taiwan is a separate state" content on youtube wouldn't hurt either. Would absolutely love a tour of the 205th Arsenal. Ian has showed us speciality production of firearms for people with deep pockets. It would be nice to see a "Everything is about practicality, manufacturability, reliability and predictability" facility like a real defence arsenal.
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Ian: goes on a tangent about three other guns and stops himself "This video is already long enough as it is" Me: "... But I still have several hours before bedtime... please continue!"
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That bearded axe is an "omni tool". I have one much like it as an heirloom from my great great grand father who was a carpenter. They were used in place of a saw. If you have the skill set you can make pretty decent planks with them, and they're excellent for roughing out joinery before doing the fine work with a chisel. But similarly shaped cleaves are still used in butcher shops to this day. From the camera's perspective and inward they look to be: Multi function axe, fire wood cleave axe and felling axes. But each of those will most certainly work as a battle axe in a pinch.
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I love Swedish nomenclature. It literally translates to "bullet spray rifle".
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@brianreddeman951 Still waiting on Ian's book on the woes of the Elbonian army and their procurements. I mean, it's almost surreal that one such small country could find themselves in that many political conflicts while at the same time managing to screw up every single armament program they ever ran... Sometimes reality really is stranger than fiction!
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I'm getting the idea that Ian personally knows the 3 or 4 people who specifically collects Portuguese firearms.. :P
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Ouch. It really is a complete "clockwork" inside by the looks of it. A few years ago Ian showed a Swizz boutique competition pistol, that was pretty much just a miniaturised H&K G3/MP5/etc mechanism, that was fairly "1911-ish". I wonder if it would have been a bigger commercial success to just license that (if the patent hasn't long since expired) as a 1911 upgrade kit.
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@GunFunZS Nobody wants Russians on their rear....
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It is missing the deflector bracket that we made ourselves. The G3 has a tendency to kick brass out very perpendicular to the rifle, so Denmark made a big wonky looking "clasp bracket" that hooks into the grooves in the receiver. If placed right it will make the rifle eject brass at about 45 degrees forward. If placed a little too far forward you'd get a pling-ing-ing-ing sound and the case would just lie there in the bracket, having done a couple of funny looking loops before coming to a rest. I was lucky enough to get a seriously good example and would pretty consistently shoot 198 or 199 out of 200 at 300m on a 6" center. Never got that perfect 200 though.
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