Comments by "CynicalBroadcast" (@CynicalBastard) on "The Occult, Video 181: Paganism, Not Christianity, Built Civilization" video.
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I misspoke, but of course you will label it "something denied". If anyone looks, which is doubtful, but if so, they can see I simply had, in the midst of mentioning the suppression of Copernicus' theories along with the mentioning of the fact of many people who were always cut down whilst making said scientific process in the middle ages, and Copernicus was in-between ellipses with mention of Bruno, in the same breadth, as my mention of the others, including Bruno, being killed, you concluded that I meant that Copernicus had been killed, but I simply did not mean that, and so edited my post (openly, you prevaricator, you) so as to correct myself, and added "(OR SUPPRESSED)" in betwixt my admitted error in speaking (which was the main point you prevaricated away from)- that was before I knew someone was going to actually attempt to argue the point- which I suggest people look at, at the top of the page, it's a doozy, it's very funny seeing Christians exculpate themselves from any wrong-doing ever in History, while at the same time decrying everyone else in History, and claiming that they "invented civilization" (nothing more, not "western civilization", which is at least marginally more understandable a claim, that some individuals do make, but not more so- besides, Greek civility, and Roman civility, seems to've invented western civilization, and alot of the Bible was lifted from pagan lore).
But it's funny to see you constantly refer to this mistake, simply rectified within moments of it's utterance- it's not really a good argument, considering things.
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Liar. You didn't misspeak. You thought Copernicus was killed. You said so. This is your exact quote before your edit. Notice how you used the plural "they."
Copernicus...Bruno...why were they killed for being RIGHT in their science?
No, not "liar", and as I already explained, this was AFTER I had ALREADY AFOREMENTIONED (The AFOREMENTIONED SUPPRESSION, which any can see was the original topic) that "the sentence structure was broken into ellipses for a reason; the lack of motivation for me to write an essay on how you are wrong", and that "I was referring to those who were killed for their scientific endeavor." See: right before your quote of me: Muslims in Spain were doing great things, until they were sacked by crusaders. Then that scientific age of discovery was delayed, yet again...and how many times in History has this occurred? -- than I go on to state the sentence you attribute to me, and I edited it, and openly stated that I didn't mean he was killed, but that "they", the Muslims in Spain, and the likes of Bruno, were killed, and that Copernicus was suppressed, like the aforementioned Muslims in Spain. See what I did there? Now, please, I admitted I "Misspoke". You don't wont for the committal of the fallacy fallacy, and see that even though, while shitposting, I misspoke, now you've arrived at, what's it called, the Dragon Power, yes, that's it...can you ever prove a refutation of the facts presented herein this comment thread, or the one you've gotten that quote out of? That of the active suppression of (and banning of) books, works, knowledge, ect, and other various acts committed by the church to suppress and subdue? Well, I mean, again, cause you already have, anyone can plainly look at the strenuous display and see, well shit, i'll be, Cynicalbroadcast is right. shrug No skin off my teeth, anyway. You keep adulating yourself with the notion that you "see my words as error" (even after they've been correctly posited, and you still can't refute my statements of fact, but instead opt for ad homs about my poetry (lol) and make claims about how, and I quote, "pagans can do x y and z, but you want me to hang my head in shame", which is pitiful to say the least, because at least you could have relented and yielded from the argument, but instead insisted, and continue to insist, that you've made a point. You haven't. In fact, you've only been shewn refuted out-right, and quite abjectly, I might say. I have not spoken out of turn, once. You keep trying to insinuate that, though. =) Anyone can see for themselves. (You can't discern verisimilitude because you keep harkening back to a loosely worded statement, that you want to keep identifying as a "lie", even though it's been established to've been your misapprehension of me.)
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I dare not wont for the actual reading of this malarky, I hjad to stop at "Heh,complaining about the ad homs" because, as you can clearly see above, the last thing I did was "complain", moron. Hehe, see what I did there? You are a such a fool. Was that an ad hom? well no...because this isn't an argument, you're fucking moron. But do you have an argument against the proposition that the church suppressed Copernicus' work? nothing but excuses about hyperbolic pagan sacrifice and my poetry, eh? Let me guess....
The fact you stupidly thought Copernicus was killed.
I was rambling, as I already explained. Plenty of people will killed. Do you object to this basic factoid?
I don't need to refute what you say.
LOL, sure, but you keep making arguments and I keep smacking them down. Do you have a point anymore here? You should refute what i've said, otherwise, you have none.
People who get things wrong are immediately dismissed, so goes your reasoning. They lack credibility.
This is called the Fallacy Fallacy. You're an idiot. There was no argument before I said what I said, and you had no argument to back it up other than some assumption about my knowledge about Copernicus. It's not relevant. Fallacy Fallacy. Was the church responsible for the ban of his works? Yes. You lose.
a 2000 year old religion sometimes did wrongheaded things.
No, my argument is, "The church suppressed knowledge because of their predilections". You're an idiot.
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Like pagans never banned a book.
Yes, another thing I never said. Strawman arguments are fun.
Like they didn't slaughter Christians merely because they didn't like their ideas.
Herp derp, like the Christians didn't...you wanna keep going in this circle, or do you wanna just finally say the words, Yes, CynicalBroadcast. You were right.
Tiresome, one-sided anger parade here. What did Daddy not give you for Christmas to make you this pissed off?
He didn't smite the sinners of bearing false witness.
You're really no longer worth my time responding to.
So, you're gonna run off then, and not admit your faulty reasoning...Ok.
Read a book that challenges your ideas once in awhile. Or even one that agrees with them. Then come back in, say, ten years when you're ready to discuss such weighty matters.
LOL, right, DUR, it's cause I don't do my readin' that you can't posit a refutation of my evidenced claims.
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"The dark ages" usually refer to the small ice age in europe during which there is very little written information available. There is no indication that some large scale "suppression and/or excoration of knowledge" took place during that time. In terms of intellectual development, it seemed to progress at the same rate as the immediate pre and post dark ages.
Indeed. You didn't need to explain that, you realize that many people understand this basic fact, and that it's right in the label "dark ages". You know what was suppressed? I'll tell you. Copernicus's heliocentric theory was suppressed and supplanted by geocentric "hogwash" (see: Bullshit) because people had 'theological concerns' (ibid), and yes, his books were banned, this is well attested to. Everything I said was true. I never said that the "dark ages" were as "dark" as you may have thought I had let on. You must know t 's a colloquialism, and like, it's like not needed to be reiterated so often that, yes, the label is like harsh buzz, bro; but still...these things, even in their 'moderate happenstance' DID happen -- so did lots of killings and stuff over other bullshit- other "suppressing" of, well, frankly, other religions doing all the same thing. So....yeah. =\
PS: You might notice my phrasing was a play-on-words parsing what Tonixxy was saying...if all of the above examples did what they did, and he did comparing "those dark ages" with the one in reference by Styx, then i am was just exemplifying to him why it's called "dark ages". It's just a label...you could also say it was just "hard to read"...but that's especially so cause things were banned, and such. You know how many times people say "it was not even dark" completely trying to foist the notion that there was "no darkness" with this red herring of "not as violent as you think" (apologea), whilst trying to forgo the obvious nuance? Darkness obviously implies, like you said, the lack of recorded knowledge...but then again, it's even more than that you know, as I already explained, but you see why the term exists...some people seem to wanna act like they don't. And here is reason enough, but still- once more, we do have two ways of looking at things here....on the broad stroke, it's just a lack of information...on the small-scale, you have the Copernicus book ban, and Galileo affair.
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Also, there was a "dark ages" for a reason, and it's not just because of Protestant propaganda at the time...it's also due to the fact that Christians fucking suppressed knowledge and kept a political vanguard on through the rest of Europe's development, for centuries. Fucking CHRIST. (7:28 -- Sure, whatever, Styx, yeah, the suppression of knowledge didn't really happen, people weren't kept in "THE DARK", in those days...no, sure, Styx, sure.)
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Rome, not Christianity. Fuck, Christians don't even know their own HISTORY. Who bashed the Catholics with the printing press, Reformationists, who started the meme about the so-called "backwards sorcery" of science being developed around the time, BY MUSLIMS AND CATHOLICS. Christians can't even help but fight themselves! And they want to lay claim to all invention...those inventions were made by your more pagan counterparts, and that's just ignoring the fact that civilization came about from PAGANS, Egypt, Rome, Greece, Persia, ect...so please...this meme must die.
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What is there to refute? You said Copernicus was killed. He wasn't. You can't "win" with false facts.
I said he was suppressed along with Bruno, and re-iterated that Bruno was killed, and that Galileo was tried and jailed for their express adverting of the heliocentric model. You are a confused, and/or flagrant prevaricator.
By the way, if Copernicus's research was suppressed, how did Galileo know about it?
Great argument (not, but nice try)-- it was suppressed, that doesn't mean no one knew about it. Jesus fucking christ, that was a lame retort from you. Fuck me. Can you at least contribute to some badinage so I can find some entertainment from you? Giordano, he was killed, for express views against the church, and for his philosophical beliefs, including astrological and scientific, precisely the point- Galileo was tried- then forced to "re-exmine" for simply expressing his views and espousing that they were more correct than the geocentric model- that is called "suppression". Jesus christ, Inquisition and first judgement, 1616, the ban on Copernicus' books, the rejection of the heliocentric model due to the annexation of the VERY THOUGHT, through BANNING THE FUCKING MATERIEL. You STUPID COCKSMOKER. PS: And of course, by "jailed", it wasn't that it was as tortuous as one would expect, but nonetheless, the point stands. He was tried. There was a ban. Refute this or shush.
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You are blind to your own chicanery. Ecclesiastical History of the English People can't be Historied nonsense, because it's Christian and they'd never remove and replace, oh say, Gaelic Gods with their own saints, right, because they're pure and holy? dude you're not even close to being correct about anything but your own predilections brought on by the most authoritarian bulwark against 'otherness' that has ever existed, a plague residual from Judaism. And you believe that because your texts told you something, that it's "all venerable"? YOU DO know when he wrote it. It was much time after the consummation of Pagan cultures by the Romans, who had had similar celebrations on similar days, and thus the conclusion was made. I don't necessarily even care- what your point in bringing up the etymology of Eostre is irrelevant, and doesn't even regard anything that Styx or I has said- your trivia means nothing.
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Give me a break, your ecclesiastic propaganda doesn't impress. Why do I need to take a class in formal logic? because I insisted that your comment had substance to it, when it didn't, without me having read your idiotic course material? That's not me being illogical, you idiot. You should postulate the argument, fool, that is, whatever from "Schaff" it is you want to postulate, otherwise, you aren't making a valid argument, you're making an appeal to authority (ipse dixit), you stupid insolent gorm. PS: What language do you think is relevant? Why is the language relevant? What does the language have to do with what Styx said? He said that Easter has to do with Eostere, which is wrong how? you dumb thundercunt.
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Just because you worship the same deity it doesn't mean you share the same ideology if that was true all the abrahamic religions would be mormons the latest version of the abrahamic faiths .
Very true. And I don't suppose I said otherwise. But if you worship the same deity in this case, sort of like with Islam, how it based on political tracts, as much as "wisdom scripture from God Allah, the Powerful Shitlord", or how Judaism's tenants are based in political and geographical irredentist philosophy, along with it's "wisdom of I AM THAT I AM THAT I AM THAT I AM....", isn't that worshiping the same ideologies, if God has set it, in His Wisdom, that the world belong to whomever truly lays claim among the empires of the Lord? How can claim all this? Maybe the Jews, after all they started the damn ideology, that spawned the rest of the ideologies, that differ only in the obtusely extraneous to the core of the faiths of these people? The christ is in "Christian" for a reason- so I don't think anything i've said (that you were responding to) was contradictory or misled.
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That's a great story. Wanna talk of the blatant and obvious battles and in-fighting between Christians? No? People invented less crazy shit in the past, yes...and during the middle ages, science improved, yes- it's called a technological scale. It conforms to an ability to perform technical feats on par with others- competition spurns this- the competition between Muslims, Christians, and otherwise, other "pagans" (gotta love the nomenclature that amalgamates every religion into one, sans "the Abrahamic ones" [note the use of pluralism among the One God, whom has religions that FIGHT ONE ANOTHER] ... right?) -- the competition spurned on technological and intellectual advancement, which has always been the case since the inception of the idea of a "trade route", which is erm...is it Christian? no, it's "Pagan". Nice story, right?
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