Comments by "buddermonger2000" (@buddermonger2000) on "Whatifalthist"
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@coreyander286 Yeah, I don't think I really need to explain that much at this point as I'm sure many others have added already but I'll add some notes.
First is that backlash isn't in the form of YouTube videos. That's nothing. That's "rabble rabble" and not what's referred to at all. It's the top at the center which keeps the extremes beneath at bay.
Secondly, The red pill isn't going anywhere. The problem with it is that it speaks broadly to general patterns of behavior regarding women. It's not something that's chosen, it's basically an active process that you can't really choose so long as you have enough interactions with women. Whatever YouTubers come out as bad people, you have 100 more who are about as clean as it can get for a person. It's nowhere near destruction.
Thirdly, yeah, you're probably right that they're getting off to that idea. But why would they even WANT to get off to that idea? If the current system was providing healthy and stable relationships, then why would it be at all an attractive thought? It's like people who are prepping for an apocalypse but hoping it won't happen, why might they want an apocalypse if the society wasn't basically crushing their soul in some way? Same with this sentiment.
What's building up is still very much on the fringes and for every guy who says "I hope it doesn't happen, but it's coming" who is actually going to participate in the action, there's 100 who have no intention of ever doing so. When men say things like that, it's never something they seriously want to do, unless they're so radicalized what they're already planning it. The difference is the planning stage. That's when it's serious.
As a final note: women are the only ones who can stop this via a change in behavior. When you push someone's buttons for too long, they're going to lash out, and at some point it's your fault for exhausting their patience if they've sat there with mostly no complaints or complaints which have been ignored for a long time, and this has been multiple generations of worsening conditions in this category. We already have incel extremists, now imagine 50k actually manage to organize, and thanks to the internet, that's not even a herculean task. There are enough of them btw, when by a conservative estimate, a third of men under 30 are virgins (which skews lower) with the number still rising, you're going to have enough men who can create a fire large enough to actually burn down the village and impossible to put out.
Jordan peterson was mocked for feeling sympathy for incels and saying someone should at least advocate for them. The problem isn't getting resolved any time soon because it's completely undisciscussed.
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Short term vs long term. Remember that in 1945 Africa was under complete English and French control while in 1845 it was completely left alone. 1845 Russia was a backwater state which hadn't even started industrialization to 1945 where it was the powerhouse of the East and dominated all of Eastern Europe into Germany. 1845 Japan was closed to 1945 having an empire being taken away from it. 1776 America was a colonial society of roughly 2 million to in 1876 around 90 million, industrial, and one of the largest economies on the planet. 1645 to 1745 Spain starts from the fringe of Europe to largest colonial empire. 1745 Spain is the master of the colony game, to 1845 stripped of nearly all of it. 1645 Poland-Lithuanian Commonwealth is a powerhouse of Europe. 1745 Poland is depopulated, weakened, and soon going to be partitioned by Austria, Prussia, and Russia.
Why all of this? To reinforce the point that a century is a very long time. It's the time between the rise and downfall of nations. Really don't underestimate what can change in a century. You've only been around in this form for a single one. You're surrounded by completely non-functional governments and split ethnic identities. And frankly you have a history of being the core of a multi-ethnic empire united under Islam, with a good geographic core, an active industrialization, and honestly an economy and population on the upswing. Also EU is probably coming apart and Russia on the decline. You've got more in your favor than you realize and a lot of time to do it.
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The Indians seem to have not really reached the east side of southeast Asia and the Philippines, not really being on any trade routes, were largely kept out of the spheres so that seems like a non-starter. If there really was a lot of Chinese and Indian influence it'd be much more obvious much like in Indonesia where even more Islam takes a backseat compared to the Latin culture overtly present in the Philippines. Though clearly there are differences and they didn't dominate as a foreign people more as a foreign elite which of course limits how radically it changes the society, but it seems to have influenced society to a similar degree as to the degree Islam and Buddhism took the rest of southeast Asia since the previous cultural norms weren't actually that strong and it's how an identity was formed
It's also important to understand that cultural influences submit to local conditions and it's how you have African and Indonesian Islam for so long being radically different from how it is in its home soil. And unlike the rest of Latin America the foreign born population didn't come in and basically displace the native one making the population very much of which inherited those cultural norms so of course they aren't going to be anywhere near the level of cultural similarity. And even then the nations of Latin America are very different from their home country of Spain due to local conditions and various other influences as well as simple time factor. However, despite all of this it still fits in fairly well with Latin civilization even if it is of course closer to the rest of southeast Asia making it both much like how most of southeast Asia has most of its culture shared with each other even if significant parts of their culture end up as part of another civilization which seems to overall be the story of this civilization in a nutshell.
In other words: Southeast Asia, having come in too late, sandwiched between twin sons of civilization, and too isolated to ever be forced to make something themselves, are best seen as a mix of their neighbors, natives, and the other outside influences which came to them for several centuries.
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@senhox970 The biggest thing is that this works with an actual civil war, which can only kick off if the army participates. Either it fractures, and there are now relatively equal professional forces with which to base a force on force conflict, or it almost unanimously picks a side and crushes the rebels or the government.
If the military splits allegiances and you have lower officers breaking off, then there's no longer an easy win for the military and you have a conflict.
To give a point of reference, say in the invasion of Ukraine, Ukraine's forces really did simply fall over without much of a fight and Russia really did win in 3 days. That's what it'd look like if the army remains united and only picks one side. If it fractures, then you get the Ukraine war as it actually happened since there's now enough resistance to stop a knockout now. In that environment, recruitment, mobilization, production, now all play a role. And in that environment, that's when you see some guys go to a local bar to pick up some more boys and raid a federal building.
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