Comments by "Paul Frederick" (@1pcfred) on "Fascinating Horror" channel.

  1. Why should they? Union Carbide Corporation never had anything to do with the Bhopal plant besides licensing them formulas and doing consulting work. Other than that it was 100% Indian owned and operated. Can't you tell? Union Carbide Limited of India is not Union Carbide Corporation. Although the mistake you made is intentional.
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  2.  @AVportau  actually the problem was there wasn't yanks involved. Only Indians. When you find out more about this event it is painfully obvious this is a 100% Indian owned and operated deal. Union Carbide Corporation only licensed formulas to Union Carbide Limited of India. Indians built that plant and ran it. But when disaster struck they tried to pin it on the American company. What do you expect when there's Indians involved?
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  3. Indeed it was Union Carbide Limited of India that was at fault. No relation to Union Carbide International. Union Carbide Limited of India was an entirely Indian owned and operated company.
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  4. It can be done safely but you'd have to be rigorous in your safety protocols. As in you can't be anywhere near the device while it is powered up. That's the problem all of these people had was their proximity to the hazard. You wouldn't stick a firecracker up your nose and light it, would you? You light the fuse and run!
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  5. Let us not forget that Union Carbide Limited of India was an Indian owned and operated company. Obviously. You people tried to blame an American corporation for it all but that was a lie.
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  6. ​ @hingeslevers  as little as 0.0035 amps across the heart could cause arrhythmia. Getting that current to the heart is the trick though. As we are not very good conductors. But at thousands of volts we are good enough at conducting electricity then. Therein lies the problem with this fractal burning. As the voltage potential is high and hazardous. There's enough current behind it to zap you too. Any electricity that can burn wood is going to fry you.
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  7.  @WhiskeyRichard.  if you are an engineer like you claim you are then you should know about current paths to ground too. At high voltage you don't need a very good connection at all to flow current either. That's the problem here. A microwave oven transformer puts out 2,500+ Volts. That's a severe hazard.
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  8.  @michaels.3709  fractal burning can be done far easier than working on high tension power transmission cables. At a minimum you're not working at altitude. Power disconnection is far less of an issue as well. So the entire situation can be more carefully controlled. The main problem is people underestimate the hazard. If they took it as seriously as they should they wouldn't get hurt as frequently. People still manage to hurt themselves even when they're aware though too. Accidents happen.
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  9. That cap should have a bleeder resistor built into it that discharges the capacitor. But that resistor could fail.
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  10. Panic is what caused people to become injured. The last thing you want to do with an airborne chemical leak is to go outside and exert yourself and breathe the fumes in heavily. That's what caused the bulk of harm.
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  11. Thomas Edison, is that you? I'd think you'd be done fear mongering about AC by now. Face it, you lost the current war!
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  12.  @evlkenevl2721  they're not wrong. Because it takes voltage to pass current through a resistance. Electromotive force. You get no flow with no force.
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  13.  @rage2k1  Watts are a unit of power so there is no way to increase Watts with any conversion. Nothing is 100% efficient. You can never get out more power than you put in. You can trade voltage and amperage for each other though. A microwave oven transformer is a step up transformer. It increases voltage. The secondary winding has more turns than the primary winding has.
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  14.  @oasntet  if you say so Frankenstein. If it's all the same to you though I'm standing well back when you fire your contraption up. Because quite frankly Frankie I don't know what's going to happen. Transformers are tricky beasts with some pitfalls about them. Like phasing the coils. I guess when you flip the switch you'll see if your theories are right though.
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  15. What happened at the Union Carbide Limited of India chemical plant would be a sensitive topic for Indians because it was an Indian owned and operated company. They only licensed formulas from Union Carbide Corporation and tried their best to be confused with them too. It was also an act of sabotage. It wasn't an accident. Someone at the plant intentionally put water into that tank.
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  16.  @Keznen  anything's possible. You can do it safely without going that route though. All it really takes is not touching the setup while it is energized. If you don't electrocute yourself you should be fine. You're fine and I'm fine even though all of those other people aren't. That's because neither of us touched the apparatus while it was energized. We're smart like that. Yea us! It's a respect problem. Those people didn't respect what they were doing. You see a device capable of charring wood you have to realize it can fry you too. Then you're going to be stiff like the wood is. Ready for your pine overcoat.
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  17. I've gutted microwave ovens and fooled with the transformers in them. But I have been working with electricity for a very long time now. It is just something I have an aptitude for. At some point everyone gets the high voltage itch. You've just got to make sparks! I never went as deeply into it as some have. The Tesla coil nuts. But I'd be lying if I said I didn't think it was all very fascinating. I built a circuit once that could make a 1" spark and it was powered by a 9V battery.
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  18.  @TheLumpyOne  frankly the pattern doesn't do much for me either. I can kinda sorta see the appeal somewhat. But the process is pretty uncontrollable. It's basically random from our limited perspective. So you're going to get what you're going to get when you do it. With some patterns being more visually appealing than others are. That's where I think a lot of these "artists" run into problems too. They try to influence the process as it's going. Big mistake! Not staying well clear of all of this is when accidents happen. This is so hazardous that it's almost certain death. The odds of surviving are slim. It's like going down the highway in your car and deciding to jump out. We all go down highways. Not many decide to jump out at highway speed. I'd actually places your odds of survival higher jumping.
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  19. That's what happens when the guilty party is the government themselves. They let themselves off the hook too.
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  20.  @poindextertunes  I already have my next unlicensed electrician job booked. It's only changing out some outdoor lights. I've done it plenty of times so I can handle it. Just connect the white lead to the black wire! hehe. I've actually seen that when I used to do electrical work professionally.
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  21.  @robokill387  first you need enough voltage to overcome the resistance in the circuit. After that it doesn't take very much current at all to pose a serious risk to health. Actually it takes a small fraction of an amp. 35 thousandths of an amp is potentially lethal. Which is about as much current as a LED draws. You just won't glow so good.
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  22. Union Carbide Corporation did not own that plant. The Indian government did. UCC only licensed them formulas. Besides that Union Carbide Limited of India was a 100% Indian owned and operated company. The day it happened the president of Union Carbide Corporation had never even heard of that plant's existence.
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  23. Union Carbide Limited of India was not a big company. You're probably confusing them with Union Carbide Corporation. Totally different entities. When the Bhopal disaster occurred the Indian government actively pushed for that confusion too. Being as they owned Union Carbide Limited of India. So yeah.
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  24. It was actually panicking and running around that killed people. People that stayed in their homes didn't die.You couldn't outrun the poison but running around in it you were going to breathe more of it in.
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  25. Let's not judge other people and cultures against our own. Indians are going to Indian. It was their chemical plant in their country so they're entitled to run it how they see fit. Oh you thought it was owned by a US corporation? It wasn't. Notice the name, "Union Carbide *Limited of India*" Not to be confused with Union Carbide Corporation.
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  26. The hazard here is the extremely high voltage present. You're never going to present a short that will trip a circuit breaker. At least not until you're completely carburized. Maybe then you'll light up like a carbon arc lamp?
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  27. I see no problem with making the chair. I take issue with those foolish enough to sit in it though.
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  28.  @juandough5560  we do spend the bulk of our time not thinking. Studies have been done to measure this. Something like 80% of the time. That's supposedly intelligent people too. They sent questionnaires to professionals and anyone that was paying attention would have just thrown it away. But they got 80% back. So people operating on autopilot is common.
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  29.  @oasntet  transformers don't work on DC. Are people rectifying the output? There is a diode in microwaves that can do it. If it is still good. They're a common failure point in microwave ovens though. Finding another diode that'd work would be difficult too. Your typical run of the mill diode can't handle that kind of voltage.
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  30. ​ @SolInvictusLeatherWorks  what people fail to see is when they remove the transformer from a microwave oven they leave all of the safety interlocks behind. Then it's not so safe.
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  31.  @ti-lo5hy  go grab it yourself.
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  32.  @Hugh_Vincent  despite your doubts the potential voltage and current exists for lethal electrocution. These are known quantities we're dealing with here after all. A microwave oven transformer is a definite hazard. But there's a lot at play here too. How current flows through a circuit depends on the circuit itself. Anyone that takes the full power though good luck to them is all I can say.
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  33. It had to be sabotage because there was no water pipe to any of those tanks. So someone had to have thrown a water hose into one of them. And if it was negligence then it was negligence on the part of Indian owners, workers and management. Union Carbide Limited of India was an Indian owned and operated company. Union Carbide Corporation just licensed formulas to them. It wasn't their plant and they weren't running it either. Although prior to the incident Union Carbide Corporation did recommend the flare gas line be upgraded. When the disaster happened the line was completely out of commission. It was totally inoperative. They were told to not only repair it but actually replace it with an upgrade. Actually I doubt UCC even knew it was broken. They only knew what was there was inadequate.
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  34. You want to be compensated for the US being involved in a UN peacekeeping mission? We were gentle the last time we were there but if we have to go back we won't be gentle this time around. We'll hurt you real bad. The plan always was to just carpet bomb the whole country. Is that what you really want?
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  35. What do politicians really know about the chemical industry? The Indian government owned that plant. And that's why no one was ever made accountable. Though they did try to shift the blame onto a US corporation. With fair success judging by the ignorant comments I'm seeing here now.
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  36. The problem there is the responsible party was the Indian government itself and they weren't about to punish themselves. You're buying into the big lie they pushed. Union Carbide Corporation did not own this chemical plant. Union Carbide Limited of India was it's own entity. Entirely run by Indians. Shocking, I know. But not really shocking when you begin to examine all of the details. This video almost admits that fact if you pay attention. Union Carbide Limited of India licensed formulas from Union Carbide Corporation. UCC also did some consulting work. But that advise was completely ignored. UCC told UCLoI to not only repair the flare line but upgrade it. Of course that was never done. A 3 foot length of pipe and they couldn't even be bothered to replace it. There's curry powder all over this disaster.
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  37. The one that suggested it was probably the one that caused the sabotage. Or it was just a general mood in the plant by then. I'm sure the writing was on the paint peeling walls. They all knew the end was near. Part of what caused the disaster was they had too much chemicals in the tanks. That's because they weren't making product. The plant had been failing for quite some time.
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  38. Actually the people that slept through it all were fine. It was the ones that panicked and ran in the streets that were injured. That's the thing about fume inhalation. The more you inhale the worse off you are.
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  39. Being as one of the crew had did the sabotage the rest probably didn't care either. This video claims a leaky valve caused it but there was no water pipe leading to any of those tanks. So that theory is physically impossible. Yeah there's a lot more to this story than anyone's letting on.
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  40. So they spoke with Indian accents? Because Union Carbide Limited of India was an Indian owned company.
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  41. I'm sure it's the fine people in the Indian government that are the ones interested in suppressing it. Being as they owned the plant, not Union Carbide Corporation. Union Carbide Limited of India is NOT Union Carbide Corporation! Union Carbide Corporation only licensed the Indian company formulas and processes. Indians ran the show in Bhopal though. Can't you tell? A US exec wouldn't even visit a plant like that. Not even for a minute. So there's no way they would have owned it either.
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  42. They used up all the chemical on site. There's nothing there today to leak.
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  43.  @maxfullerton5228  what happened in India is totally on the Indians that owned and ran that plant. Union Carbide Corporation (UCC) told them to upgrade the flare and they couldn't even be bothered to replace a 3 foot long length of pipe let alone replace it all. UCC was only licensing them formulas and consulting. Beyond that UCC had absolutely nothing at all to do with Union Carbide Limited of India (UCLoI). Of course the Indians tried to shift the blame onto UCC. Quit being an idiot and falling for it. There's no effing way a US corporation would run anything like that plant was run. It was a bad investment made by Indians and they ran it into the ground. The "accident" was a deliberate act of sabotage that was caused by a disgruntled Indian employee. They were just fed up with the whole situation. There's no way water could have gotten into that tank by accident. Someone put a hose into it. No one tells you about that either though, now do they? You've been lied to. Wake up already.
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  44.  @priyanka4233  who told you Union Carbide International had any stake in that plant at all? Because whoever did was lying to you. They had good reason to lie too. Because they were in fact the guilty party. Your government was the major stakeholder in that company. That whole disaster happened 1 because it was an act of sabotage and 2 a 3 foot section of pipe that fed the burn off flare was damaged. That's right, if a 3 foot long section of pipe had been replaced it never would have happened. They could have burned it all off on site. But no, India has to India. Union Carbide International not only told you to fix that pipe but upgrade the flare itself too. Did you do any of that? Of course not! They couldn't make you. So you simply didn't do any of it. The whole way that plant was run was what disgruntled the employee that sabotaged it in the first place. I don't think they expected what happened to happen. 25,000 people dying. But that's what ended up happening. Own it already.
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  45. What do you think a US corporation has to do with a foreign owned company? Union Carbide Corporation licensed formulas to Union Carbide Limited of India. The ownership and management of the plant was 100% Indian. UCC told those dumb bastards to not only repair the flare line but to upgrade it. Did they? No! On top of it the leak was caused by sabotage. That's right one of those filthy Indians at the site dumped a water hose in the tank and did it on purpose.
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  46. Union Carbide Limited of India was just a company, not a corporation. You may be confusing them with the US based company Union Carbide Corporation? I think that may be why they chose the name. Those shifty Indians. Ya can't trust them!
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  47. I've heard other accounts that differ from what I heard here. I never heard of any faulty valve for instance. I heard it was an intentional act of sabotage that caused it.
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  48. The people that stayed inside at Bhopal weren't injured. It was the ones that went outside and tried to flee that were harmed. That's how toxic fumes work. When you inhale them deeply it's worse. Who knew? Apparently not ignorant Indians.
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  49. I'm sure the Indian government started out with the best of intentions. Not everything works out how you hoped it would though.
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  50. Well there's two Union Carbides. There's Union Carbide Corporation. That's the international company. Then there's Union Carbide Limited of India. The latter owned the plant in Bhopal. Besides some licensing agreements the one corporation had nothing to do with the other company. Now Union Carbide Limited of India was largely owned by the Indian government. Are you starting to see how they got off the hook?
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