Comments by "MrSirhcsellor" (@MrSirhcsellor) on "Jubilee" channel.

  1.  @RT-oc6iu  Standing on the outside of a vehicle, you’ve now introduced drag force, the air outside the vehicle is not moving with the vehicle, so it now acts as a resisting force, an unbalanced force. First law of motion states; all things in motion stay in motion unless acted upon by an unbalanced force. So you’re making false comparison and not really thinking about the physics very much. The atmosphere rotates with the Earth’s motion, so it’s not creating any drag on a person who is also rotating with that motion. The Earth doesn’t spin out from under a plane or a skydiver, because of conservation of momentum…basic physics. Soooo…maybe learn some physics, cause you’re just embarrassing yourself.
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  2. Well…there is a Sun in space, so not sure I fully understand your question with how you phrased it. But I’ll assume you meant to ask why space isn’t lit up like the day time hours here on Earth are. Because for light to be seen, it’s either coming direct to your eye from the light source, or it requires matter to be reflected off of. That’s actually how you see anything, it’s just light reflecting off of molecules of matter, and then that light comes to your eye. Space is dark because it’s a vacuum, there’s nothing in most of space to reflect light back to your eye, so you only see direct light sources, like stars or planets reflecting light from their suns. We see a blue sky during the day, because light from our Sun is hitting our atmosphere, which scatters the light through all the molecules of air that make up our atmosphere. Space is mostly empty, so nothing to illuminate, so it’s dark. Hope that information is helpful, or at the very least interesting. Take care.
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  3. Paying attention to the geometry of your visual surroundings, is information that shouldn’t be ignored. You can actually determine quite a lot about the surface from paying close attention to the sky…heck sailors have been proving that for millennia, by using the stars to help them navigate the surface.
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  4.  @Globeisahoax  Basic geometry and the physics of how light works.
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  5. Oh boy 🤦‍♂️….you clearly have no idea what the actual difference is between a scientific law and a scientific theory. They are separate distinctions, one does not become the other. Matthew gave you a great explanation of the difference…so please learn the difference.
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  6. Are you really that crushed about Santa? So your mother wanted to impart a little magic and wonder into your childhood, what’s so wrong about that? 🤷‍♂️ Kids are dreamers, nothing wrong with nurturing those dreams a little. Most of us grow up and get over it, and then we have some magical memories of our youth. Either way…it’s not the same thing by a long shot. Millions of people would not be able to keep Earth’s shape a secret…it’s an absolute impossibility. Especially when anyone can learn navigation, and test it themselves…a whole system designed around Earth’s true geometry, a sphere. Anyone who thinks a government of any kind, could control and hide that massive of a lie, for hundreds of years, is not thinking logically or rationally at all. You give governments far too much credit. They can’t even hide their affairs…you really think they could hide the Earth, from the billions of other people who can go out and test its surface geometry, whenever they feel like it? 😅
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  7.  @KangenAlec  Not sure why you deleted then reposted the same exact thing...but I guess I’ll repeat as well then. So you agree that ignorant people, like yourself, are the problem? Reread his comment above to which you first commented too, then read mine...maybe you’ll get it then. If ignorant people didn’t exist...then we could have arguments where honesty and reason prevail...but you’re not interested in a reasonable discussion where we don’t ignore the facts, you’d rather just push your bias narrative and then ignore any and all challenges to your claims. Which means YOUR the problem KangenAlec. :/
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  8. Yes, it is a fantasy, notice how nothing KangenAlec said is evidence, just empty claim after empty claim. We’re not dealing with rational people, we’re dealing with paranoid delusion and extreme bias over objective reason.
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  9.  @KangenAlec  Not hard to look at a sunset and then realize how impossible that is geometrically, on a flat Earth.
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  10. Sure, but at least we can still map and measure the surface, to create working scientific models, so things like navigation become possible. You might as well not even try with your attitude…thankfully most aren’t as pessimistic. We don’t have to know everything, we just need to know enough so we can thrive rather than just survive. It’s working pretty damn well so far.
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  11.  @Globehoax  NASA had basically nothing to do with discovering the Earth is a sphere…that knowledge was obtained centuries before they ever came around, all they did was photograph it. So your argument is just terrible. Flat Earth is a belief, and an extremely ignorant one at that. :/
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  12.  @jacklynwood2008  No, there isn't...because there's no debate here anymore. Flat Earth just contradicts so much modern physics and applied science. We have satellites in orbit right now.....they wouldn't be there, if the Earth was flat, because that technology is built and works thanks to our current knowledge of the world being accurate. Gravity as we understand it would be impossible on a Flat Earth...and again, orbits would also be impossible...satellites are in orbits, that's how they stay up in space, that requires gravity and a spherical geometry. A sphere just makes absolute sense, because it's the most rigid shape in nature and gravity pulls to a center point, so when you build up mass around that center...what shape does it form? What shape is a snowball for the same reason? A sphere...you crush a snowball in toward a center, to make the most rigid shape there is in nature, a sphere. So just like a snowball, a bubble, or a raindrop, which all have forces squeezing them toward a center point...a sphere just makes absolute sense for the Earth. It makes sense of our moons shape, the other planets, the Sun, the stars....ALL spheres, for a very good reason....because of gravity, a force that pulls all mass to a center. So the biggest reason there are no flat Earth scientists...is because when you start learning science, to become a scientist, you learn first hand how a flat Earth is absolutely impossible, while a sphere Earth makes perfect sense of pretty much EVERY piece of modern science. You prove it to yourself, you go from a layman who was ignorant about most things before, where flat is possible...too an expert who knows how things works first hand, who's building satellites and putting them into space, who understands perfectly why flat Earth is an impossible shape for Earth to have, it does not fit with reality. These people know for certain what's what...because it's there job to know. So there is no Flat Earth scientist, because these people know for certain, after going through the process of becoming a scientist...it removes all doubt. It's the applied sciences that are the hardest to argue against, the technologies that exist, are only possible because our knowledge is accurate. Satellites can't work...if the Earth is flat. That's just a fact. They can't orbit without gravity...that's just a fact...it's a key ingredient in orbital mechanics. Gravity can't exist on a flat Earth at our scale...it would collapse into a sphere, because gravity bends space to a center. Scientists put satellites into orbit and so it's just nonsensical to think the Earth is flat then....if this technology requires the Earth to be a sphere with gravity, in order to work as designed. Anyway, so there's a very good reason why you won't find any flat Earth scientists today...there is probably nothing in science they are more certain of, then the shape of the Earth. You learn that in the process of becoming a scientist.
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  13. He was describing how a composite is made, he wasn’t saying or admitting the Earth is flat, you’re just misinterpreting what was actually being said. :/ The panoramic feature on your phone camera does the same thing…is reality flat just because a photograph is in 2 dimensions? 🤷‍♂️ No…obviously not.
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  14.  @KangenAlec  So you agree that willfully ignorant people, like yourself, are the problem?
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  15.  @KangenAlec  Why down? Your explanation does not answer this simple question, as well as many others, so it is blatantly ignorant. Falling is a motion, nothing is put into motion without a force, it’s the first law of motion, so what is causing that motion? Ignorance is not an argument, neither is personal incredulity, so you’re going to have to do better if you actually want to falsify established science.
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  16.  @KangenAlec  NASA had very little to do with mankind’s realizing and deducing the Globe...they figured it out hundreds, to even thousands of years before NASA ever came along. So stop lying bud...and again, as I explained in another comment to you, not ALL ancient civilizations thought the world was flat. There you go thinking in absolutes again.
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  17. Well, I mean…if the Earth collected enough mass, the gravity would become so intense, it would eventually start the same nuclear fusion that creates stars. So really, the only difference between Earth and a star is the mass. A star is basically just a celestial body (like Earth) that collected enough mass to cause fusion…so, maybe that’s what your science teacher meant. 🤷‍♂️ Though yes, technically they are not the same thing…obviously.
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  18.  @vanessaezekiel997  My apologies then, I was being a bit hard on you. It’s true there’s still lots to learn, and yes, we will likely never learn all there is to know, because there’s simply too much to learn, but I don’t think we should ever let all that stop us from trying. Who knows what our limitations really are…maybe we’ll find we don’t really have any, we just think we do. 😉 Idk, guess I just prefer to think very highly of our potential.
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  19.  @KangenAlec  And yet, we see it set every single day, being blocked by horizon...you have to ignore a LOT to make that work geometrically on a flat Earth. Stop kidding yourself.
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  20.  @jacklynwood2008  Ok, but it's often not the scientists fault that these conversations start to veer off into a religious conversation. Flat Earthers tend to be religious and think the Earth is a flat plane simply because the Bible says it is. Scientists would love to talk about the science and focus on that...but that conversation never gets to happen for very long, because the only rebuttal these people tend to have, is bible verses most of the time. Little hard to keep a discussion focused, when they just ignore any science you share and then bring up Bible verses as their evidence. So THEY tend to turn the talk into a religious discussion rather than a scientific discussion...that's exactly what happened above in this video as well. I've been talking to Flat Earthers for over 3 years now, so I've talked to hundreds of them....very few of them, are non religious. You talk to them long enough, explain all the science to them that falsifies their points, they eventually turn to their last resort (but main reason for believing what they believe), Bible verses...and then the science grinds to a halt. Which reveals that they don't really care about the science....all they care about is confirming their bias, that being their religion. Religion is a powerful bias and a lot of people seem to have trouble marrying the two, science and religion...so they struggle with it. Doesn't help that they aren't listening...I feel your frustration, it would be GREAT if these discussions of geometry and physics didn't talk about religion...but then Flat Earthers need to stop turning it into a religious discussion. It's fine if they want to talk religion and Flat Earth in a different debate that focuses on that topic, but if we're focusing on science...then that stuff should have NO place in that particular discussion. Would be great if they understood that....cause I agree, I don't like science talking ill of religion either. I don't like getting into any discussion where faith is being mocked and ridiculed...but they just keep bringing it to that place, and frankly, religious texts are not science...so they don't belong in that discussion. So I blame Flat Earthers for taking it to that place, not scientists. I've talked to enough of these people to know that when they have nothing left, the Bible verses start coming...and it doesn't really take long, cause they tend to not know much about science.
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  21.  @jacklynwood2008  You would think it'd be that easy, if we were talking to rational people. But after talking to Flat Earthers for a few years now, and trying this very calm collected approach to point out there errors...it's clear we're not dealing with rational people. We are dealing with fear and paranoia, they believe any system of authority is their oppressor, this includes science, so this is the villain they need to defeat. So they don't really care what you have to say, they don't trust science, they just counter with "you're indoctrinated to say that". So we're not dealing with rational people here, we're dealing with a mental disorder, years of being lied to by government and corporations has caught up to us and created a great rift of lost trust in some people. You'd think facts would be able to bring them back and this would be super easy...but you can't have a conversation with a mind that's to afraid of your position to open up and listen to it. I agree though, I too have my own spiritual beliefs, so it's really sad when religions get caught up in these conspiracy's, cause it just makes them look bad.
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  22. I’ve found that people tend to fall for Flat Earth because they generally lack knowledge and understanding in some basic fundamental concepts, like physics and mathematics, to name a few. Basic knowledge taught to everyone who receives a standard education. So ya...if you’re falling for the con of flat Earth, it’s more than likely because you are under educated. You either never received any education in these subjects, or you didn’t pay much attention when they were being taught...or your teacher sucked. Either way, under education is generally why people fall for cons, this one is no exception.
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  23. Well, it is knowledge that matters a great deal to human advancement and modern society as a whole. Sure matters a lot to the entire industries that rely heavily on our current system of global navigation to be accurate, in order to do what they do at all. So if you like many of the various foods you probably have in your fridge right now, and pretty much every little luxury or commodity you purchased from foreigner exporters like China, or India, then it matters quite a bit to your life as well...more than you realize. And that's just the industries that rely on navigation...there is then infrastructure, engineering, communication, etc, etc, etc. So it matters....we can't do anything of value for human advancement, with inaccurate information. Your life has been made better by the effort of others who understood this and took great steps to make sure ignorance and laziness of information gathering, did not prevail. Please don't take that for granted.
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  24. It’s significant for those who believe in it, because it confirms their fears, justifies their anger and helps them feel superior. There’s also the biblical literalism that is strong with many of them...for these people, it doesn’t just confirm government lies and corruption, it also confirms their religious beliefs, which has always been a strong desire and powerful bias for some people. So they cling to the belief for a lot of reasons, some are looking to confirm and restore their faith, others are looking to feel superior to their peers, others want an excuse for why their lives suck that’s not linked to themselves. It’s a problem, because they’re spreading misinformation and teaching people how to chase bias and become more ignorant, which could potentially be damaging for society’s future progress. That being said, I’ve been following things for the last 4 years since I first heard of it, I’ve chatted with hundreds of Flat Earthers at this point, the trend has slowly died off in the last couple years, and it’s pretty close to dead today. There will always be stragglers, but it’s lost a lot of steam.
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  25.  @KangenAlec  Did you even make it past kindergarten? Doesn’t sound like it. Ya, we know that they fall genius, the question is why and how? “It’s heavy” doesn’t explain the physical motion that occurs in dropped objects, it leaves a lot of questions unanswered. What’s the physical mechanism that causes that motion? Your conclusion doesn’t answer anything, it just stops at “it just does”. Well gee...if only science could stop at “it just does”, we’d sure get a lot accomplished wouldn’t we (that’s heavy sarcasm btw, cause I assume you need to be told when that is occurring). If science operated like that, if we were all as lazy and ignorant as you, then we’d likely still be in the bush, thinking fire is something only the gods know how to create. :/
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  26. Because the light only travels one way, and so any side not facing the Sun, won’t be lit by it.
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  27.  @Globeisahoax  “Shuttles are helium filled movie props.” Wow…now I’ve heard it all. 😂 You don’t honestly believe this do you? It’s incredible what you nutters will believe without question. 🤦‍♂️ And you wonder why people mock you.
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  28. Well, that’s a common misconception of Big Bang Theory, it doesn’t state that something came from nothing, it just states that everything was once very dense and then it went through a great expansion and matter began to form from preexisting particles within that expansion. The question of “something can’t come from nothing” is a bit of a paradox. Cause if God exists, who or what created him? Who or what created that thing, and so on. At some point, something started from nothing...or it’s always existed, which is an equally perplexing problem for us humans to grasp, as everything we do in life operates on the notion of having a start and an end. Big Bang doesn’t replace the concept of God though, it just helps explain how our current universe formed. It’s the leading theory of cosmology today, because it has the most evidence supporting it, that’s all. Look up the 4 pillars of the Big Bang if you’d like to learn exactly what that evidence is. If a better theory comes along someday though, that provides even more evidence, then Big Bang will be replaced. That’s how science works, it’s a long process of trial and error, of building upon prior knowledge and refining it. The goal is not to eliminate God, and it likely never will even if it was. It’s just to learn more about how physical reality works, that’s all science has ever set out to do.
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  29.  @n.n.9016  He’s asking, what do you really think scientists do all day? Have you ever stepped foot in an actual laboratory? Have you done experiments and collected data and built working scientific models the real world actually uses for innovation? The question is asking you if you have any actual first hand experience with scientific research. Cause if you don’t, then you have no idea what you’re talking about, you’re just reaching a quick and ignorant conclusion that fits with what you want to be true, not what is true.
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  30.  @Globeishoax  Then it would appear to shrink the further away it gets…it doesn’t do this, so your explanation ignores basic fundamentals of perspective. So it’s wrong…pretty simple. 😳
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  31. The difference is that pseudoscience can’t actually be applied…that’s how you spot it, it reveals itself by how absolutely useless it is. Remind me again which model is used by every pilot and sailor, every single day, to successfully navigate with pinpoint precision? 🧐
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  32. Yup, they are the perfect modern example of the dangers of confirmation bias.
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  33.  @KangenAlec  You make a claim as well when you say it’s flat, so you also have a burden of proof, whether you like it or not. You’ve also claimed there’s a dome, an ice wall, that flights somehow work, and much more...these are all claims, but for some reason you don’t think the same burdens of proof are on you as well? That’s the problem with flat Earth...you don’t really care about evidence, you ignore the evidence and then force your conclusions. Then you go around pretending that your side is above all peer review. This is why people don’t take you seriously.
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  34.  @Globeishoaxx  Don’t need to go to space to verify Earth is spherical. One successful navigation using the globe model measurements and geography will suffice. Ptolemy was an ancient greek geographer/mathematician who made some of the first accurate working models of Earth’s surface, the current system of longitude and latitude navigation is derived from his early works, the Greeks were among the first to realize Earth is spherical, and then they proved it by simply measuring it. The model works when applied, if it didn’t work, then it’s wrong…it’s really that simple. Flat Earth has no working model, so it’s wrong…it’s really that simple. So pilots and sailors verify Earth is a sphere every single day, with every successful voyage. Just one of many ways anyone can verify the Earth is spherical. You’re living a lie bud…I hope you wake up someday and come out of these delusions.
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  35.  @KangenAlec  I think you should take a good look at your flat model and then seriously ask yourself, how exactly does the sun rise and set, if geometric line of sight is never blocked? Go ahead and draw a line from the Sun to anywhere on the surface, which represents a line of sight...you really think a sunset is geometrically possible on that model? You’re either extremely bad at basic geometry, or your ignorance is just that strong. Wake up.
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  36.  @KangenAlec  Because they had clever and well put together experiments, that are all easily repeatable with very little effort and cost, and they are still great ways for any average joe looking to measure and verify the Earths true geometry. Not really sure what your argument is here KangenAlec, are you saying old information is false simply for being old? The Greeks laid the foundations of modern science and their work is hardly comparable to scripture. Religious texts have no repeatable science and close to every fable has been falsified today with our ever expanding scientific knowledge. The Greeks work on the other hand, still very much holds up today....so ya, we still use it, because it’s still very useful science and mathematics, and much of it still has yet to be falsified. Old does not mean wrong, they accomplished a lot, with very little. It’s a testament to the true capabilities of mankind.
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  37. America has enemies, to defeat those enemies, there is often need to conduct covert actions that even the populace is unaware of. Little hard to get an edge on the competition, if they can see your cards, wouldn’t you agree? Every nation and power structure in the world does this, you’re naive if you don’t understand why it’s necessary. Doesn’t mean they lie about everything, thinking in absolutes like that is not a very good way to reason, it just leads to paranoid delusions and favouring empty speculation over evidence.
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  38. 1.8 billion Muslims would say otherwise...so which of y’all’s imaginary friend is the right one?
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  39. Eeyup, painfully accurate...
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  40.  @KangenAlec  Bases all of this belief on pure speculation, zero evidence of course.
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  41.  @manuell3505  I think what he means is, both are spheres due to a force that keeps their surface at equipotential distance from the center of that forces influence.
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  42. As much as I don’t like to agree with a Flat Earther, KangenAlec is right in that you can’t assume we’re the same by a single observational comparison alone, that’s committing a false equivalence fallacy. However, though we can’t reach a conclusion like that on a single observation, we can include it to the broader model as a small piece of evidence towards the larger conclusion. What Flat Earthers fail to realize, is that science didn’t just conclude the heliocentric model on a single observation, it came to these conclusions after several thousands maybe even millions of observations, that isolated the heliocentric conclusion and falsified all others. The Heliocentric model fits with all observation made in reality and makes sense of everything, from the geometry to the physics. But...Flat Earthers will likely never realize that, because they stop researching the momentum their bias is confirmed, cherry-picking information and ignoring the details that refute what they’d like to believe. Doesn’t change anything though, because there still is no working model of flat Earth and it’s not used for any applied science today...that’s for a good reason.
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  43. Science isn’t “searching for God”, the purpose of science is just to learn how physical reality functions at the mechanical level, so that we can use that knowledge for invention and innovation...that’s all. It just hasn’t been very convenient for religions, because the more we learn about reality, the more it contradicts scriptures, the more we realize they’re just made up fables, like any other fiction we create to help us cope with our mortality.
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  44.  @KangenAlec  How can you not see the geometric impossibility of a sunset, if the Sun occupies only one directional sky and is never blocked from line of sight?
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  45.  @leviathansan7930  No problem, might as well put this 4 years of experience to some good use. 😂
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  46.  @KangenAlec  Nations lie out of consequence, little hard to get an edge on the competition, if they can see your cards...wouldn’t you agree? So keeping secrets is necessary for a nation, if it ever hopes to thrive. But just because they lie sometimes, doesn’t mean they lie ALL the time. Thinking in absolutes like that, is how paranoia and mob mentality works, and it’s how you rob yourself of your better reasoning and reach false conclusions.
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  47.  @KangenAlec  Not really, it’s not a big secret that governments and power structures lie and conceal information, it’s pretty common knowledge. What’s different between some people is how much they allow their imagination to wonder on the subject, creating shadows from their fears that likely aren’t real. It’s made worse when these paranoid ideas need more, when you’ve already reached a bias conclusion from pure speculations, but now you go searching for bread crumbs in the form of even more speculations and misinformation, looking for anything that can confirm that bias even more...reverting back to mans primal instinct of finding patterns, even when there are none. Believe me, I understand the logic that drives you, I used to think the exact same way, thinking in absolutes, pretending my life sucks not because of my doing, but because of a boogeymen I believed was at the helm pulling the strings. Do I still entertain the idea, sure, but I don’t believe it outright anymore. Paranoia, fear, bias, speculation...none of this will lead you to any real truth, just makes you miserable. Evidence and keeping your head on your shoulders, following objective reasoning over emotion and confirmation bias, that’s a far better way to get to truth. It’s slower yes, not as addicting, doesn’t quite feed that hunger for pattern seeking nearly as much, but it’s honest. Point is, most people get it...they have the same anxieties and they entertain the same crazy ideas from time to time. We know lying occurs, the question is how much...and how much does our own mind fabricate, simply cause it wants to be right so badly?
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  48.  @KangenAlec  I enjoy writing, yes, but it’s not my current profession, no.
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  49.  @Globeishoaxx  Won’t debate cause you can’t debate…because you’re wrong, and deep down you know it.
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  50.  @KangenAlec  Then look at an actual flight path taken...and see if it matches your straight line path, then scratch your head and wonder why the actual flight path flown, doesn’t match your map.
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