Comments by "" (@thehumanity0) on "The Young Turks"
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+T Dog - You're being naive if you think this concept of "benevolent sexism" aka what some women like to frame as "traditional chivalry" is only exclusive to "opening the door and pulling chairs out". Those are things you can do for an old lady you don't know and are just common politeness. I'm talking more about the idea that women in modern culture like the idea of being given priority in a relationship, dating, or otherwise and being treated as "princesses" as some would put it from the Millennial generation. If you've ever been in a relationship, marriage, etc. where a woman expected the man to do the gross dirty work, the physical labor, or even simple things like "going to get their purse in their car" because it's "too cold outside" for example if it was say -10 degrees out, these would all be examples of this cultural norm that accounts as benevolent sexism that people will frame as chivalry. These are things that many women expect from men even when they're self-described feminists that preach for total equality both financially and culturally, but the entire concept of benevolent sexism (chivalry) is in total contradiction with the idea of complete equality since it gives the illusion that women can't do these simple to tough things on their own.
And look, I personally, am not offended by these things, I've been doing it my whole life for women, it's just the culture I grew up in, but if we're having a serious debate about these things you have to think about them seriously and ask yourself what are the effects of these types of behaviors. These things could be causing repercussions in our culture that led to things like the MeToo movement, where Hollywood celebrities took full advantage of new female talent they saw as desperate and weak and likely led to silly movements (in my opinion) like Jordan Peterson and his "war on men" narrative and the incels, etc. I honestly think that if we just got rid of the whole idea of benevolent sexism and "chivalry" that extends past simple politeness and common courtesies, then it would just lead to more mutual respect between the genders in knowing they are both fully capable of equal actions and opportunities in our society and in their own personal relationships without portraying the illusion that one is lesser than the other as some kind of pre-programmed mating tactic or whatever it may be for. I think the bond between men and women would only be healthier by just getting rid of the charade altogether since it doesn't really do anything in the first place and is just a cultural norm that evolved involuntarily.
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I agree with "Skyshadow" on what's going on here, and I'll admit, this is a complicated issue, because it has to do with both what is ethically acceptable in art and politics especially because the original bull statue's symbolism has changed over the years of its representation of Wall Street. It was originally constructed to represent an untamed nature of the free market, but it has almost devolved into a greedy and "bullish" representation of Wall Street's hold on everything in this country including the way it slithers into politics. The original sculptor of the bull statue stated that it was installed after the 1987 market crash as a symbol of the "strength and power of the American people". However, this has drastically changed in the last 3 decades considering Wall Street is now commonly known and understood by everyone as being the enemy of the working class and more than 90% of the "American people".
Wall Street, big money, and monopolies have largely ignored what's best for the American people for some time now and done whatever's best for their corporations and profit margins. Even after the Occupy Wall Street protests in 2011, they still have not changed their general agenda and perspective. I think the fearless girl was somewhat unfair to the original sculptor of the bull, but it really had little to do with the bull sculpture at all and was a message for big money in Wall Street putting them on blast for their general disregard for the "American people". The "thing" that the bull statue was original supposed to represent.
When it comes to the pug, that is just a childish way of drawing a penis on someone's art. There's no symbolism behind it besides saying that someone was mad about the statue (being a female possibly), so they took a dump on it in art form.
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+Vynjira - Wow thank you so much for acting as the bright shining example to exactly what I was referring to. I clearly labeled myself as a progressive and believing in pure equality between men and women and made an observation on the social aspect and shift going on, and then what do you do? You claim that apparently I'm just another woman hating male and an "Anti-Feminist". (I don't even know what an MRA is btw) You say this to someone who clearly believes in gender equality to the fullest and should be on the same side, but instead you peg me as the enemy and then claim that my opinions are solely because I've had "bad dating experiences", when I've clearly made a logical observation about several men, men in culture, celebrity relationships and so on. And also what the hell was I "lying" about? I gave one statistic and one anecdote about Aziz Ansari and the rest was just speculative as I stated at the very beginning of my post. The problem with millennial women is they don't understand who their enemy is so instead you just label every guy who isn't gay and marching in the streets with you for feminism as someone who apparently hates women, which is so far from the truth that it's just sad. Seriously, what the hell do you want from millennial men? Do you want equality? Great most millennial men want that too and all women should have equal opportunities as men without being harassed in the workplace. Do you want equality but to be treated like your better than us and can dictate how men should act and whats appropriate for them to say and do outside the bounds of obvious inappropriate behavior? Then no we don't want that because that has nothing to do with feminism and equality and has more to do with a derailed ego that many of you have for some reason and then if we say anything against it we get called "Anti-Feminists" and male pigs. I watch The Young Turks almost every day, which is one of the most liberal shows airing today, I've made it clear that I believe in total equality for men and women, but somehow I'm an "anti-feminist". What world do you live in lady? Because I think this is the prime example of what is wrong with the social gap between millennial women and men today.
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