Comments by "Kat 1515" (@Kat-fq4ei) on "HistoryLegends"
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Mexican for a 25 year period. Mexico's first constitution 1815 did not include California, New Mexico (Arizona) or Texas as Mexico. Those territories were not involved in Mexican independence from Spain. Some Navaho and other California and SW tribes may have Spanish names, most were unconquered and had little contact with the Spanish and never acknowledged Mexico or identified as Mexican. In fact no one in these territories identified as Mexican until after 1821 much less the unconquered Indians who were never controlled by either Spain or Mexico. To date these northern tribes, Ute, Comanche, Shasta, Piaut, Pueblo, Apache, Kiowa plus hundreds of other tribes had little contact with the Spanish , did not and still do not identify as Mexican or mestizo, in fact many are 100% Indian. Going back to the era, from a better perspective, as for the Spanish settlers, those who lived during approximately 1821 to 1848, take a few years before and after, lived under three flags. Up to 1821 the historical flag of Spain, then some foreign soldier from very far away comes along and tells them they are now Mexican and changes the flag. A few years later another soldier comes along and tells them they're American, a new flag. True story..
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What was Mexico thinking, firing the first shot to start the war on disputed land. Mexico was just hardly a young nation unable to take care of itself and unprepared to go into an international war, fighting among itself. Was unable to manage it's core, central Mexico, taking a bigger bite than it could chew claiming the disconnected and distant northern territories out in an isolated middle of nowhere, where Mexico met much resistence. Conquest is not stealing. War is about land. The United States wanted it. Mexico didn't fight hard enough, the United States stuck it out till it was able to take the young nation, all of it, occupied it, flying it's flag over Mexico and returned half back to Mexico, it's heart, under a Treaty, not under an exaggerated gun. Mexico took the money, swallowed it, as it was in deep debt and 10 years later sold more territory under the Gadson Purchase. The annexed territories were not historically Mexico to begin with and there would never have been a Mexico if 25 years earlier that part of New Spain, what became central Mexico had not gained independence from Spain. Or perhaps Mexico stole from Spain to leftist history revisonists anti American point of view. And what did Mexico want the northern territories for, never colonized or developed, neglected and the territories were self goverened, highly taxed, forced unpatriotic Mexican citizenship who had no need for Mexico. The lands were basically real estate property. Russia other than Spain had it's claims on California, Great Britain was interested, Spain was in the process of giving land grant settlements to Americans, Spain had transferred Louisiana and Florida, American nations were formed, borders changes, treaties, purchases, independence; no longer the early days European land explorations and land claims, yet not all Indians had met conquest after three centuries. Alot going on before Mexican independence. Stolen lands is woke history revison. Lands have been conquered and nations born since time began. Mexico is no exception. It lost the war, a Treaty was negotiated between both western nations, get over it.
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What rightful lands back.... CA and SW rightfully belong to Shasta, Piaute, Mohave, Chumash, Apache, Comanche, Navaho, Pueblo, Ute, Caddo plus hundreds of other tribes north of what is today Mexico. Today these inborn north tribes are not crying over Mexico, they inherently know their lands.... These northern inherent tribes hated Mexico back in the 1800s for trespassing on their lands. Ever hear of the Comanche slaughtering Chihuahua to shreds. The northern tribes claimed neither Mexico or the United States, ancient history talks..... but when push came to shove, sided with the good ole US of A... Nothing was stolen, they still live in their native lands protected by US federal Indian Law. , and those from Chihuahua, Sonora, still live in their lands, the native Mexican Indians to this day, rightful lands, are not protected by the Mexican gov. Up for grabs by the highest bidder. The 1848 Mx/US border area was out in the middle of nowhere unpopulated barren wilderness for centuries until Mexicans as well as America established border towns late 1800s after the Mexican War. Why did peasant Mexicans under a corrupt government migrate to the far away wilderness border---because of the United States, pendejo... As a Mexican the far north, homeland to the Apache, Chumash, Mohave etc was never the lands of your ancestors and johnny come late Republic of Mexico goverenment quasi claimed CA, SW for barely 25 years, 15 for Texas. Had Mexico not gained independence from Spain there would be no Mexico. In fact, Spain could have sold "Mexico" to France or Great Britain, for all we know, even Russia who had claims to CA way before Mexico.... Historical events make the world's borders. Mexico was barely a nation during the Mexican War, and not really independent until as after the War, France occupied Mexico trying to set up a monarchial Mexican system with a king y todo... Your blood is boiling over fake lands and fake history and United States tribes had no need for you yesteryear or have any need for you today. Sorry... Your Mexican people migrated to the border areas after the Mexican War, foreign immigrants to the United States.
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Just goes to show what little Mexican presence was in California as well as New Mexico/Arizona and Texas. These territories were not involved in Mexican independence, they were too far north from other parts of New Spain. Upon Mexico's first attempt at independence, Mexicos first 1815 constitution did not include these territories as Mexico. Not to conflate the Spanish Colonial settlers of this era from these territories with the Mexican Period. Mexican citizenship was mandated after 1821 under Mexico's 1824 constitution, Estados Unidos Mexicanos. These distant territories fell under Mexico's control after independence. It was mostly Mexican officials who transplanted to the far isolated wilderness north settlements. Texas brought in Americans to settle under land grants to populate vast lands and fight off the Comanche. There were no transplanted Mexican militaries in New Mexicos northern Spanish settlements, Kearney took NM without a single bullet shot. Mexican soldiers were transported to Texas to battle the Alamo, San Jacinto and the the US. Texas also was sparsely populated by Canary Island Spanish settlers. California tòo was sparsely populated by Spain. These were neglected and unincorporated Mexican provinces during the brief Mexican era. Interestingly, these Spanish subjects under the Spanish Colonial era lived under three flags during the transfer to Mexican citizenship, Spains fĺag of 250 years, Mexico's flag of 25 years-10 years for Texas and the USA flag after 1848. Referred to by SW historians as the Spanish Colonial Period, the Mexican Period and the Territory Period for New Mexico. Statehood for Texas and California. Not many years ago there were still folks around to tell the story of Mexican foreign soldiers from far away who brought the news of Mexican citizenship, replacing Spains flag with the Mexican flag, then a few years later another US soldier came by informing all they were now American citizens under a new flag. Folks need to go back to the day to get a perspective of the era. Mexicans migrated north after the Mexican War. It was the prosperity of the United States that many only look north. Had there been no USA the north would still be a barren desert wilderness. Where were they during the Mexican War, not up north. Now they greedly want to claim what was not theirs historically to begin with..
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@GabrieldeCastilla-lk2jr You must be totally unaware, but Texas gained independence from Mexico, did you ever learn of the Alamo. And Texas became its own Republic of Texas after victory at the Battle of San Jacinto. Just 15 years after Mexico became a nation after Spains 300 years of controlling New Spain, so it was not Mexican land rather Spains territories. Texas History 6th grade education... The land in question was disputed land... Mexico claimed it as well as Texas by conquest, Texas later annexed by the USA. So there was no invasion, Americans were on land they claimed. Mexico fired the first shot and started the Mexican War.
USA Indian reservations far from concentration camps. In fact USA Indian reservations are sovereign nations and self governed tribes. And protected under USA Federal Indian Law and Indian Acts, have rights to reparations and many have been awarded and still are recipients of returned lands and waters by the US, plus they get millions of dollars of ridiculous amounts of US federal tribal funding annually, jealous..... USA Reservation Indians come and go as they please as US citizens under US freedom under the US Constitution; except on their reservations where they are subject to their own tribal rules as sovereign nations--each tribe has their own government. So you obviously have no clue on the torture of human in concentration camps in Germany. Much less do you know the system of sovereign nations within the USA and are a full of rubbish anti-American. Who fed you the garbage on concentration camps, no comparison, and worse yet you believed them with no ability to reason or think for yourself....
By the way some of these tribes like the Comanche and Kiowa bitterly hated Mexicans and attacked Sonora and Sinaloa back in the 1800s after independence when Mexico claimed the indigenous northern lands of tribes such as Navaho, Mohave, Chumash, Shasta, Piaut, Pueblo, Ute, Shoshone, Apache, Kumeyaay, Cheyenne plus other tribes. In the 1880s these tribes belonged to no nation as USA or Mexico, are today USA tribes and have nothing to do with foreign tribes on their lands just as in ancient times before European intervention in what is today the American continent. There was no Mexico until 1821 and at that time the Mexican government stole your indigenous lands and is still confiscating and Mexican indians are at odds with Mexico...
Looks like you're totally ignorant on the Mexican War and US American conquest along with inborn human instintual rule where victor takes the spoils, as always throughout the centuries, written in mans DNA. . Your ancestors killed off weaker tribes and thats how you survived thru the centuries... so why hypocritically point to the US... In fact, If Mexico had not claimed independence from Spain 1821, there would be no Mexico.
It's you playing with words and twisting history to childish robbery of Mexico... And ridiculous concentration camps. The Spanish and English encountered hundreds of tribes living in the land, today north America -- USA, Mexico , Canada, which they documented. No terra nullis whatsoever. Most Phillipines died of disease during the Phillipine American War and atrocities hit both, shedding blood on both sides, typical in war... So you don't know your head from your toes...
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You're upside down. Mexico started the war, lost and was conquered. Those are the rules of nature. Winner takes the spoils. Been happening since the beginning of time, nations all over the world are born by war and conquest. In the very same way Mexico battled Spain to gain its own independent nation. Mexico is nothing special or exempt from wars and innate rules. Nothing was stolen except for the Mexican goverenment stealing the lands of the natives after independence. Where are their reservations....
It's not the fault of the US that Mexico was unprepared for international battles, was in deep financial debt, had outdated weapons, was trying to govern it's people on shaky grounds, just hardly a nation of barely only 25 years still in diapers.... Mexico today is fortunate to have a country. The United States conquered, seized all of Mexico, occupied and controlled the land, the Mexican goverenment was in panic upon conquest and fortunate the United States returned half the country cause the United States could have taken all of Mexico had it wanted it. Mexico was far from sparsely populated with millions of people, in fact the Mexicans outnumbered Americans fighting on Mexican lands. The young Republic of Mexico 1824 itsef was imperialist claiming all lands to the far away north (California to Texas) and Central America. So imperialist, it refused 25 million dollars in payment for the northern lands it lost to war and conquest anyway. The United States got the land it wanted, which was way out in the wilderness, neglected by Mexico. The United States made no attempt for more Mexican land. Yucatan begged the United States to annex it, US refused. Imperislism, what about Mexico, Chiapas was part of Central America stolen by Mex. And what about Centra America, it was claimed by Mexico and and broke away. Has Mexico no shame lol. It claimed California and SW, who didn't want or need Mexico. Take the sty out of your eye before so you can clearly see the sty in your brothers eye... The truth is parts of New Spain was lands to become claimed by Spain, territories overtime purchased, treatied, borders disputed, borders changed, independence, wars, conquest, republics, nations all part of the making of the American continent. For the disgusting country the United States is, it is the greatest country in the world. People from all over the world are migrating illegally. No one is saying, let's go to Mexico. In fact, Mexicans have been migrating to the US since 1880, escaping poverty, corruption and a Mexican Revolution.
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Octovio Barajas Loaiza Armed people go to your house and kick you out is no analogy. To begin with Mexico fired the first shot on disputed land stemming back to the Battle of San Jacinto between Texas and Mexico. Americans were on disputed soil, a grey area claimed by both. Mexico had no more rights on the land than USA. The USA won the Mexican American War by conquest in 1848 in the same way Mexico defeated Spain in 1821 and life goes on. In fact the infant Mexico was just barely a brand new Repubic, didn't have the preparedness or experience of a nation by the time the Mexican American War came along.
Had Mexico not gained independence 25 years earlier there would not have been a Mexico in 1824. Into the 1800s Spain had lost it's empire, handed over the borderlsnds Florida and Louisiana, and Spain had been working with the US for American land grant settlers in Texas. Spain would have negotiated with the United States on the SW and CA given the time as historically these New Spain territories were hardly Spains focus, barely financed, never conquered the Indians, or colonized these northern outposts serving Spain on French and Russian intrusion in 17th 18th centuries, Spains dynamics had changed by the 19th century in America and abroad. Europe still had it's hands in Mexicos affairs even after the War, and didn't come bat for Mexico.... Young Mexico was unable to manage it's heart/core, central Mexico, tried taking a bigger bite than it could chew, claiming Spains distant California and SW and Central America where folks were not Mexican at heart, were rebellious, unpatriotic, unincorporated, and were self goverened CA and SW lasted only 25 years under Mex., a very short time in passing.
It wasn't meant to be, the isolated northern territories were a vast wilderness out in the middle of nowhere, bordering the US who had a vision for the land. Mexico did not. Mexico never managed the thousands of unconquered northern tribes who bitterly hated Mexico entering their indigenous lands 1824, going to battles with Mexico. The Indians, not Mexico or USA, were still in control of their inherent lands. The Indians were life threatening, putting trembling fear in California/SW residents until late 1800s, conquered by the US, which by the way coincided with Mexican migration to the US border. How convenient.... Yucatan begged the United States to be annexed. So the people living in that disputed and neglected house they didn't value, need or want the house to begin with. Wars are complex, lame excuses are worthless. Learn the history, Nothing was stolen. California and SW residents, be they Indian or post Spanish Colonial settlers, still live in their pre-Mexican War lands, same lands they were from, today the US, tribal lands are US sovereign nations. No one is crying over Mexico, in fact 25 years of Mexico is well forgotten as the US flag was planted. Under three flags, Spains /250 years, Mexico/ 25 years, and the United States since 1848, Mexico's flag was by far insignificantly the shortest period. People from Chihuahua, Durango, Sonora still live in their native lands, today Mexico. The United States/Mexico border was in 1848 GH Treaty out in the uninhabited middle of nowheree, multi thousands sq miles of wildernesses
It's not all Mexicans but Mexican factions , anti American immigrant groups such as Mexican Chicano Studies professors 1960s and followers, other anti America, who make a mountain of a mole hill attempting to revise history who focus on rights of Indian native lands, adding Mexican mestizo to the pot; conflating todays Mexico with today's United States as one and the same. Not so... Historically SW/CA Indians as in the rest of the United States did not generally mix with the European, not a mestizo or metis culture to date. 99% of today's United States tribes were not primarily mixed blood back in 1848. Most mixed blood of SW/CA natives are products of the 20th C but more so approaching 21st C world in the US due to Indians leaving reservations for education, wars, jobs, etc Anti American history revisonists don't have the librarial historical backup documented by Spain ; records in Spain, Mexico City and New Mexico. . Though we'll intended, years of research or a thorough study on New Spain would help before putting this video on.
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Only by woke cult indoctrination and history revionists who are fake historians... Real history is disputed land, war, conquest , purchase, treaty, border. Real history is Navaho, Ute, Comanche, Pueblo, Kiowa, Shasta, Chumash, Mohave, Piaut, Sioux and hundreds northern tribes who were never Mexican or mestizo.... and still live on their lands...
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@Lupo-Molino_delRey Unless your Navajo, Ute, Comanche, Pueblo, Chumash, Shasta, Mohave, Kiowa, Piaute, Caddo Apache of a northern tribe in the USA these are not your lands. If you're Mexican your roots are in Mexico, your ancestors were not from anywhere USA.
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@Lupo-Molino_delRey the Indians from the United States don't speak Spanish Lol... . As far as that goes, they never knew themselves to be Mexican or United States American back in most of the 1800s, or before than and later, they became US Americans. And to this day still see Mexican Indians as foreigners, outsiders, furthermore what is today the United States is lindigenous lands to the northern tribes Lol. They hated the Mexican back in 1821 and have no need for them today. No land was stolen, the United States and Mexico went to war, Mexico not only lost the war but the United States occupied Mexico and flew the USA flag over Mexico City. How's that for winning a war.... Many Mexicans were not even patriotic to Santa Ana..... Nations forever have known when they lose at war they lose the land, that's just the nature of things. . What..... are you saying Mexico stole land from Spain. If Mexico had not gained independence from Spain, there would never have been a Mexico to begin with. And if France had not invaded Spain, Spain would not have lost to Mexico. On the other hand, how could Mexico have owned California, New Mexico Arizona, Texas. Mexico never conquered the indigenous Indians, 1821-1846, in fact the non-Spanish speaking Comanche slaughtered Chihuahua in the 1830s. Actually the northern ,(USA today) tribes didn't even speak the same language as the Mexican. . The Mexicans feared and ran away from the northern tribes, the SW really was lands belonging to the Apache, Navajo, Pueblo, Ute, Caddo, Mohave, Shasta, Comanche, plus many more tribes who owned the lands and let Mexico know it. You can't own a land untill you conquer its natives..... After Spain, Mexico sort of borrowed the lands belonging to the native northern tribes for barely 25 years, till Mexico was kicked out. Mexico was incapable of running a nation and governing it's unpatriotic people, much less had any business in the very far north. . Mexico never conquered the tribes . The United States conquered the indians about 1880, the Indians surrendered to the US Army and today are proud US Americans, oh and are English speaking, just like the Gringo.......History talks. Nations talk. Good day.
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Totally agree, very well stated. These distant quasi provinces were rebellious towards the foreign Mexican officials who were strangers in their lands and were basically self goverened during the brief Mexican Period, the unconquered indigenous were totally opposed to Mexico as well. Spain barely colonized/ financed the far northern territories during the 250 years Spanish Colonial Period which mainly served as Spain's outposts on French and Russian intrusion, by the 1800s Spain had given up Florida and Louisiana, no longer the great empire and was in the process of land grant settlements to Americans in Texas. New Spain's territories in the Mexico City areas were the offenders towards independence from Spain to become Mexico's in 1824, central Mexico was it's heart and core after it became the new Republic of Mexico. As you state Mexico was no oneness . Under Spain, New Spain's separate territories had different and very distant geographic localities, different cultures, peoples, tribes, politics, histories. Mexico tried it's imperialism in the SW and Central America but it didn't work out. Mexico bit more than it could chew, the territories conquered by the US were not historically Mexico to begin with. The progessive United States certainly was not going to inherent Mexico's deep seated internal issues.
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Very interesting, but I disagree with some points on New Spain. Their were no Treaties established by New Spain within New Spain, approx 1525-1821. There were two Treaties established between Mexico and the United States 1848--1852 , the two young nations. Todays SW, were listed as part of Mexico's provinces under Estados Unidos constitution 1824. However, under Mexico's first Apatzingan constitution 1814, California, New Mexico which included Arizona; and Texas were not Mexico, according to the document. Today's SW parts of New Spains populations , were not involved in Hidalgos fights for independence nor did they take part in Mexico City's political dynamics or battles with Spain . New Spain of 300 years included several territories, far and wide, disconnected by distance, geography, cultures, tribes, politics, peoples.
The SW sparse populations, descendants of Spanish Colonial settlers under Spain and the many tribes , did not know themselves to be Mexican during the Spanish Colonial Period. Catholic Church genealogical documents record New Spain peoples as born, died , married in Spain or New Spain. Not Mexico. They were Español or mestizo according to records. But not Mexican as there was no Mexico until 1824. As they were under Spains caste system. Of the early 1500s Spanish Period, Onate was crillo, born in New Spain of Peninsular parents; his parents were Peninsulares, born in Spain who were New Spain colonists; Onates kids were mestizo, born of mixed parentage in New Spain; then there were the Indian and mulatto. But no "Mexican" under Spains caste system in New Spain. Spain controlled all aspects in New Spain as Spaniards/Españoles under Spains Empire... Equivalent to "the English," settlers in the New England colonies (Mexican and US American came about later in American history).... And there were metis among the English. All were subjects of Spains monarchal system in New Spain. New Spains peoples identified by the particular territories they were from as Mexicanos, Californios, Nuevomexicanos, Tejanos, etc as there were many territories with different tribes and histories. The only "Mexico" back then was in Tenochtitlan renamed "Mexico City" by Spain for the "mexica" Aztec who inhabited that area of approx 350 Sq miles. That was pretty much the extent of "Mexico" also called the valley of Mexico. Which was in the Kingdom of Mexico Territory, the territory appropriately named by Spain in New Spain. Spains subjects there were "mexica" derived from the mexica and "nos" derived from Spain, because they belonged to the mexica tribes. The mexica were surrounded by many New Spain tribes in other territories who were not mexica Indians. So those tribes were not mexica-nos, the European Spanish were well aware of the many different tribes , their tribal enemies, their different lands all with indigenous names. Tenochtitlan was pretty much the extent of Montezumas mexica empire, destroyed by Spain. Juan de Onate was not Mexica-n and thats a fact. Politics changed after 1824 upon Mexico's independence after 300 years.
Spain never acknowledged Mexicos independence, Spains king refused to sign the Treaty of Cordova. Spain never turned its lands over to Mexico under any treaties. Mexico piggy backed off Spains lands in north America that were left after United States and Spain land treaties/transfers with Florida and Louisiana; looks like borders changed within New Spain and the US. And Mexico , as Mexico claimed more lands under the 1824 constitution than under the 1814 Apatzingan constitution. Nevertheless Mexico claimed its lands under its constitutions. No Treaty with Spain. Mexico and Spain battled for another decade, Spain had hoped to regain the lands... so there were Treaties between Spain and the USA, Treaties between the USA and Mexico. And no treaty between Spain and Mexico. Under the 1824 Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution, it's populations then became Mexican "citizens" like it or not. citizenship was mandated even to Anglo Americans living in Mexico during the 25 years Mexican Period.
You don't follow history and conflate the Spaniards with Mexicans. Totally different era's. Spain established the California missions for the Indians during the Spanish Colonial Period which were not supported or financed during the Mexican Period. During the Mexican Period, it was basically Mexican officials who transplanted north which was a dangerous uninhabitable isolated wilderness. Populations were sparse because Spains era held back on colonization, serious concerns by Spain on the many unconquered far northern warrior tribes , and fear of indian uprising in the isolated wilderness, as New Spain had experienced the Spanish settler massacres during the Pueblo Revolt and another uprising in California in the very distant north territories. Still unchanged during the Mexican Period, unconquered Indians all over today's SW. Chihuahuans, Sonorans and all those south of there did not migrate north until post Mexican War, approx 1880. They first migrated to US border areas with USA westward movement and US military quelling the Apache and Comanche who had been fierce tribes and greatly feared be it the Spanish and Mexican Periods, . Under Spains period, travel was rare on the Camino Real to the far northern isolated territories. Spain had very strict laws and permission was required. Journey was once a year with military caravans. During the Mexican Period, Mexico not only opened the Chihuahua Trail 1800s but also opened borders into the USA. On the Chihuahua Trail trade or journey was not flowing steadily until late 1800s, while the Santa Fe Trail , trade from Missouri prospered during the Mexican Period. The established US/MX border area was in a vast wilderness, middle of nowhere for hundreds of miles back in 1848. Few "Mexican" families dared journey transplanting in the north during the Mexican Period , basically this was an annomily... These never had ancestral roots in what is today the US. It was mostly the Californios from the Spanish Colonial Period who had already been in California's New Spain before independence, and not necessarily patriots of the young Mexican government .
You are speculating on the USA. It became a great nation. Spain was one ally to the New England Colonies during the Revolution. So credit does not go to Spain alone. New Spain under Spain held military power because Spain was a world power. Spain had developed Mexico "City" into the most advanced city in North America early on in the 1500s almost a century before Jamestown colonization. But Spain was loosing power by 1800, simultaneously the young USA 1776 was gaining power, founded as a republic based on democracy for the people, which Mexico upon independence used as a model for the Republic of Mexico. Truth is while the USA prospered, Mexico failed as a nation. Mexico as a young nation never had the power, influence, strategy, finances, unity as mother Spain to govern the young independent Republic.
Mexico 1824 was founded by mixed peoples because of its New Spain history of incorporating the Indians and Africans into Spanish society. Yet racism did exist but was never an issue as in today's liberal politics. New England Colonies separated the Indians and African, never part of English society, thus the USA was not founded by mixed peoples. Mexico may have abolished slavery, but it was racist among its own and part of the internal revolutions in Mexico. Mexicans complain today on Mexico's government taking indigenous lands. On the other hand, USA tribes are protected under US Federal Indian laws, US government has provided reparations galore to Indians, lands back, water rights, ridiculous amounts into the millions of dollars annually funded to tribes, and Indians are sovereign over their tribal lands. They have a strong voice in US America. They aren't complaining like Mexican Indians.
All in all, the SW populations were granted their centuries homeland under Spains 225 years Spanish Colonial Period, under the Treaty of GH and never cried over 25 years under the Mexican Period. They had been Mexican citizens for 25 years, 10 for Texas and became USA citizens after the Mexican War. Mexico was a Johnnie come late to the SW 1824 , and Mexico was gone with the blink of an eye...
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@Real_OSHA_Unsafety_Engineer No Mexico did not inherent the annexed lands from Spain. Spain did not sign the Treaty of Cordova in 1821 with Mexico as Spain did not acknowledge Mexican independence. Mexico's imperialist ego claimed much of Spains territories which it was unable to control. Under the Apatzingan Constitution, Mexico's first in 1814, California, New Mexico/Arizona, California are not Mexico, these territories were not involved in that part of New Spains independence (today's central Mexico), were not involved in Hidalgos political cause for independence, were no part of those territories battles with Spain. They were too far from Mexico City and neighboring lands/territories which were home to Aztec, Taracans and other ancient empires a thousand miles away.... Spain did not support Mexico during the Mexican American War. New Spain was many Territories acquired by Spains explorations encompassing several decades. The far north, California to Canada, New Mexico, Texas were some of the last, tierras nuevas, along with Florida which extended to Louisiana within the continent. Far and wide, including Cuba, Phillipines, Caribbeans, Central America, and present day Mexico.
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