Comments by "Kat 1515" (@Kat-fq4ei) on "Johnny Harris"
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Did the movie explain that California and all the SW were under Mexico's rule for only 25 years, known as the SW Mexican Period. That's about the extent of "was once Mexico"... There was no Mexico or Mexican before 1824. California, Texas and New Mexico got their names from Spain starting in 1550 to become territories of New Spain through Spains explorations by land and sea. "California" was a mythological tale in Spain extended to the New World. Texas was named after Louisiana Caddo tribes. California and New Mexico extended to Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Arizona lands all claimed by Spain.
What are today NM, TX, CA were colonized by Spain. Towns like Santa Fe, Taos (Don Fernando), Albuquerque, Socorro, El Paso, San Antonio, Nachotiches, San Diego, San Francisco, Monte Rey were early Spanish Colonial settlements 1598-1770 of the Spanish Colonial Period of 250 years up to 1821. Nevada, Utah, Colorado were not colonized during the Spanish Period. The Amerindians were northern tribes as Shasta, Chumash, Mohave, Piaute, Shoshone, Ute, Pueblo, Comanche, Caddo, Kiowa, Navajo, Apache Pawnee and many more.
Mexico/Mexican were late arrivals to the SW after 1824. It was Mexican officials who transplanted north after Mexican independence 1821-1848 Mexican Period. Generally Mexicans didn't migrate north until post Mexican War years approx 1880, after USA westward movement, and after the US government quelled the thousands of unconquered tribes in the SW, and placing in reservations. Mexicans established towns in CA, NM, TX border areas. Americans, settlEd in CA and NM 1821; and TX shortly after, with Mexican issued land grant settlements as Texas was vast unpopulated lands and Mexico needed settlers. Trains, the 1910 Mexican Revolution brought more Mexicans. Americans built the SW, Americans influenced the SW as well as Mexican and Chinese in California. Mexicans were deported in the 1950s. There were not a high percent of Mexicans in California until the turn of the 21st century with uncontrolled illegal migration.
Mexicans are immigrants to the USA and do not share an indigenous tribal heritage to northern tribes who are not Mexican. And Mexicans ancestors are not rooted in California, New Mexico or Texas. No parts of the SW are ancestrally Mexico. I didn't see the Hollywood movie, but sure it didn't go into SW history. My guess is its an immigrants story...
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The United States crossed Indian territory borders -- CA, TX an NM were controlled by northern tribes, it was their borders they crossed. Mexico during the 25 years it claimed these provinces never conquered the Indians. In fact, Mexico was at war with the Yaqui, Navajo, Apache, Ute, Comanche, Kiowa, the lands belonged to them, they never acknowledged Mexico. After the Mexican War, the United States defeated these tribes. Problem with the Gadson Purchase, and Treaty of G Hidalgo border is it was too far north, excluding a good part of Mexico that would have preferred the United States. Always looking north.
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In the first place, the lands were claimed by tribes for centuries, Texas was claimed by France, lands were Spains for over 250 years, Texas Republic. And Mexico for barely 25 years. In fact, Mexico became a country only 200 years ago in 1824. Mexico did not inherit Spains lands, there was never a Treaty from Spain who did not recognize independence or surrender New Spain. The attempted Treaty of Cordoba was never signed by Spains monarch.
The USA conquered Mexico, and Mexicans migrated illegally to USAs borders after the Mexican War and signing of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. In fact it was the USA westward movement that incentivized Mexicans migration north. Before the USA, Mexicans had no need for Texas, New Mexico or California which was just an uninhabitable barren wilderness with unconquered Indians ready to attack anyone not of their tribe... Unless within USA borders legally and mass forced illegal entry, it is an invasion... It was Americans who governed, beautified and developed California and the SW.
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Who ever made up that quote was historically challenged. It was actually Mexico who crossed the borders on inherent lands of the Navaho, Comanche, Caddo, Kiowa, Piaut , Shasta, Chumash, Pueblo and other northern tribes in today's USA. The Comanche and Kiowa constantly fought the Sonorans and Sinaloans. Fierce warrior tribes who were feared in those villages in today's northern Mexico who's lands were left in shreds by northern tribes.... Truth is Mexico had only been a nation for 25 years before the Mexican War and Mexico claimed its lands under its Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution of 1824. Spain never acknowledged Mexican independence and Spains King refused to sign the Treaty of Cordova so Spain never treatied any lands over to Mexico. In fact under Mexico's first 1814 Apatzingan constitution, California, New Mexico which included Arizona, Texas were not Mexico. Today Mexico is what is left after the USA returned half of Mexico by the Treaty of GH. So "Mexico" since its beginning had been neither here or there. Until both the USA and Mexico negotiated a border. So that quote you mention is pretty ridiculous...
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 @michaelcerean1990 You have history turned around. Mexico did not steal land from the SW Indians. There was no Mexico until about in1821, Mexico emerged out of independence from Spain. The Apache, Navajo, Comanche, and Yaqui and other northern tribes did not recognize Mexico as a sovereign nation and were at battles with Mexico for 25 years until the end of the Mexican War 1848, and after that time under United States domain. The Mexican never conquered the SW tribes or ever able to control the Indians lands 1821-1848. Consequently Mexico never stole SW Indian lands, in fact these Indians still live in their indigenous lands and are part of United States sovereign tribes. Mexico would never have claimed the SW territory if had not gained independence from Spain, so borders are neither here or there. Spain had claimed CA, NM and TX for 300 years before Johnny come late Mexicans were ever in the far northern SW scene.
The United States did not steal lands, in fact the United States conquered Mexico all of Mexico, to the extent of occupying Mexico City and part of the negotiations between Mexico and the United States was to give parts of Mexico back to Mexico and annex the northern territory to the United States for fifteen million dollars. With a peace Treaty between both nations.
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This is a bunch of Mexican pilosophy hogwash. To begin with back n 1519 when Cortez first stepped onto what is today American soil, , there was no Canada, United States or Mexico. It was a bunch of native tribes from Alaska to Argentina who were nowhere close to a united nation. Tribes don't even have a common diety within 300 miles.... Tribes were nomadic and happened to be where they were when the European arrived after centuries of displacing , if not killing off weaker tribes. Montezuma's kingdom was no further than Aztec country Tenochitlan. Cortez was seriously outnumbered, conquering Montezuma, strategically, using Montezuma's enemy tribe's to conquer Aztec tribes in their native Tenochitlan, better known as Mexico City for 500 years. In reality, tribes were violent enemies to one another within the local geography, committing slavery, rape, genocide, cannabolisn, scalping, piercing out human hearts for glory -- inhuman atrocities with their primitive weapons of destruction. Nations, borders and independence were made over two centuries later by European American colonist settlers following wars, negotiations, treaties, land disputes, purchases. Mexico is not winning anything on it's own. It's radical left wing, open borders United States politics allowing this since the 1980s with mass illegal migration. If the United States (corrupt) politicians followed the rule of law, muti-millions would still be in Mexico, where coward Mexicans do nothing for their country, instead flee to the foreign NORTH, the ingrates selfishly then wrongly claim the land was theirs. Corruption rules. Mexicans have been migrating to the north, United States, since a border was established after the Mexican War for not only economic reasons, but to escape a dictorial corrupt goverenment and 1910 Revolution. . As stated, they head to to el norte, not south. Land of the free🇺🇸 North is what the United States made and Mexicans would have no need for the foreign north without a United States or Gringo who made it, which they criticize yet the ingrates plump themselves with comfort after fleeing their impoverished homeland. What hypocracy. Mexicans are winning nothing, it's a destructive, upside down corrupt USA run by cartels in a no win situation except for the rich and powerful. It was Spains Casa's Laws of the Indies who promoted human rights for the natives. Mexico abolished slavery, the United States went to a Civil War to end slavery. But it is the United States who has given reparations to United States indigenous, has had a Bureau of Indian Affairs since the 1800s, has federal Indian Laws for the protection of US tribes who get ridiculous amounts of federal funding annually. Mexico has nothing for the natives who complain about their lands stolen by the Mexican gov. And United States Indians have no need for Mexicans, as U.S. California or SW Indian tribes never considered themselves Mexican or their indiginous lands Mexico.
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​​ @damarindo Spain did not recognize Mexican independence and Spains King refused to sign the Treaty of Cordova. Spain did not Treaty any lands over to Mexico. Mexico claimed its lands on paper, under its 1824 Estados Unidos Mexicanos constitution. One may consider stolen as Mexico Treaty'd lands over to the USA describing a border, lands and water's. There was no such description of lands under any agreement when Mexico took Spains lands. Under Mexico's first Apatzingan constitution, California, New Mexico/Arizona and Texas were not Mexico. So Mexico's borders changed 4 times within fourty years; from no border as there was no Mexico, then the lands under Apatzingan constitution, then the 1824 constitutional border, and the 1848 border. All in all from later 1800s California had its share of immigrants; Americans, Mexicans, Chinese, Japanese and Philippines up to earlier 1900s. And California had been settled by Americans early on during the SW Mexican Period which started in 1821. Mexican soldiers were given Mexican land grants during this Period to encourage settlers, they were few as California was very distant, isolated wilderness and conditions were as uninhabitable as during the Spanish Period, very difficult to settle with dangerous unconquered raiding Indians. Americans were the most population and built Californias infrastructure. Bottom line is Mexicans were not ancestrally rooted in California, they were late arrivals in the 1800s as were Anglo Americans. European Spain was the claimant, settler and founder of early California. It was the USA government who subjugated the Indians..
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 SAMUEL JESSE Those lands in Texas were settled by Americans, not Mexicans, through legal land grants and Texas gained independence the good old fashioned way by a revolution and conquest. Mexico upon independence had nationistic problems with populations in territories it claimed in the far outside northern frontier wilderness and south of Mexico too. New Mexico and California were the first to be conquered by the US and many Spanish Colonial population sided with the US, let alone the unconquered Indians of the north were opposed to the new Republic and there were bitter wars between Johnny come late Mexicans and Apache, Navajo, Yaqui trespassing their inherent lands. New Mexico Spanish Colonists even sided with Comanche,, against the Mexican army. These Indians were never conquered by Mexico. Nevertheless the lands were legally conquered by the United States. Mexico is part of western nations showing it chose to model it's independence, constitution and political system after the United States, even it's name, Estados Unidos Mexicanos. It's citizens should have no problem with conquest, a legal treaty and purchase accepted in the Western world. Mexico in 1848 accepted these terms. The Treaty of G Hidalgo mentions nothing about stolen lands. Stolen lands is promoted by Mexican factions who have no respect for anything. The lands were never historically Mexican to begin with., 15 to 25 years is nothing out of almost 500 years. Borders shifted, lands changed hands by purchase or treaty's. Who even recalls France claimed Texas for ten years. After the US defeated the southwest Indians in the 1880s and settled Indian land issues, there were no Immigration laws, Mexicans migrated hundreds of miles to the US border areas, after Indian threats were pretty much over.
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Did God forget Mexicos sinful corruption both the government and cartels, and Mexican people who illegally abuse the USA and leave their children abandoned like a puppy dog to flee Mexico or leave at the hands of corrupt stangers in the barren desert. Not to mention Mexicans coveting that which belongs to the US neighbor for themselves.... Thats not the gospel.... Does God not hear daily every other disgusting cuss word coming out of a Mexicans dirty mouth... Take back what, the lands belonged to the Navaho, Apache, Ute, Pueblo, Comanche, Piaut, Shasta, Mohave, Chumash plus hundreds of tribes and still belong to them, sovereign lands within the USA. While Mexicos abusive government stole the native lands and is still at it... Get real, a super power Iike China with a powerful military conquered by a small corrupt Latin nation who never could put itself together. Dream on lol...
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 @nb1223 Right, time changes as in United States conquest of Mexico which many Mexicans cannot let go of and want to "take back" a lie on stolen lands. War and conquest is part of world history since time began. Thats how Mexico became nation in 1821. Took the lands from Spain. Accept the Mexican War world event, the loss, change, the border. You lost nothing, the lands were not historically Mexico to begin with. Back in 1846 Mexico was a young nation who could barely manage Mexico City much less hold on and never had control the far off wilderness north which had been Spains lands. Mexico claimed California, New Mexico/Arizona, for barely 25 years, Texas 15 years. Learn the history instead of making it up. Mexicans are not God's people. Sorry, your theory is filled with false hope and too many holes. The gospel, nonsense. God will take care of the world's sinful evils at the appointed time, including Mexico.
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