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"The problem with the 'perceived harm' principle is that it conferred veto power on the most fragile person in the university" Or, less charitably, it gave ultimate power to the craziest people in the room.
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"The solution to inequality isn't equality. It's to have a wide enough variety of games so that everyone can have a game they're best at." This is one phenomenally good reason for lifelong monogamy -- each pair gets its own game to win, and ideally, you spend a lifetime getting better and better at it.
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"I don't want to use loaded words glibly, but this feels Providential" At some chapter in the life of James Lindsay, a Christian conversion is possible. God grant that he lives long enough to meet it.
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"Only the taxpayer gets hurt when the CCTVs are taken down" On the contrary, the harm to the taxpayer had already been done when they were put up, and the only further harm to the taxpayer would be if they were replaced.
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"Christianity and capitalism aren't mutually exclusive" Christianity (particularly the Protestant kind) encourages useful service and abstemiousness, which leads to piling up surpluses, which leads to capital growth.
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Peterson is truly trying to understand her. Considering how much of the absolute nonsense that The Narrative(TM) spews out seems to find its source in this woman, he's doing a public service.
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So you're teaming up with "Baron Black of Crossharbor". Leaning into the Red Skull thing pretty hard here, eh?
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Generalized title of all contemporary college courses: "How modern professors are morally superior to all the great artists of the past" Nailed it!
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Professor Peterson, corruption can just mean going along with the path of least resistance, or turning a blind eye to it. How often have you lectured on the subject of the Wise King, who is going blind? Why not look at the evidence people have compiled of the election anomalies in question? Wouldn't that be a more scientific approach?
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"The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own. I don't think it gave life to the orcs, it only ruined them and twisted them; and if they are to live at all, they have to live like other living creatures." - Frodo, in Return of the King There may be a more direct quote than that in his letters somewhere.
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"Will the endgame involve Ukrainian tanks on Red Square? Which country will have built those tanks, America?" The newest "Leopard" tanks are going into service in Ukraine, I hear. So it's possible we could see German tanks rolling into Moscow, 80 years on.
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"How does a caring person navigate those tripwires?" (of the ever-increasing combinations of words that supposedly cause "harm") You realize that these tripwires are not being laid in good faith, and you ignore them. You don't participate in the social stigma against people who have supposedly "transgressed" these bad-faith power games. You point out to other people who are caring, that this is just a power game, and you if you care about people you won't play.
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"There must be a Darwinian process yet to be described" Anything to escape from God, eh Bret?
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"You can trace the statistical relationship of a word with a concept" So we can tell when the dictionary-poisoners started their work, and map out where they are injecting the poison into the system. We will soon be able to figure out who is responsible, which is one giant leap towards putting a stop to them. =D
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Jordan Peterson and Douglas Murray: "Everyone else thinks there was no evidence of cheating, so it would be unreasonable for me to think that there was". Also Jordan Peterson and Douglas Murray: "There's no reason that any judge would have thought there was no evidence of cheating, unless there wasn't any." These judges are not smarter than you are, and you are LITERALLY embodying the rationale that would lead them to the same conclusion you have come to.
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That's why that story keeps getting retold a thousand ways.
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47:04 - The idea that the European wars of religion are in any way "unprecedented" betrays Pinker's blinkered perspective. This idea comes to us from the selection bias of Enlightenment thinkers, for whom these were recent history. A longer view of human history shows that these wars were not in any way "unprecedented". Serious any bloody wars are seen throughout European and world history. Indeed these wars don't even have root causes that are primarily religious in nature. The 30 Years War, for example, was a dynastic struggle between the Hapsburgs and the Bourbons, with not only religious overtones (an argument severely undercut -- destroyed, even -- by Cardinal Richelieu's support of Protestant Sweden) but by nationalist feelings as well.
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"He doesn't make a good protagonist, he doesn't grow or change in any way" I've heard it theorized that there are two types of protagonist -- one that grows and changes, and one that is the hinge, the fixed point, that the entire story revolves around. I heard that theorized in a commentary about Captain America, of all places, but if you need something more highbrow you can point to Myshkin in The Idiot as well. He's the catalyst that vivifies everyone he meets.
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If the Free Market must be tamed by moral axioms, must the same restraints be placed upon Free Speech? Both freedoms (along with free elections) are the processes by which we come to decisions that are difficult to accurately arrive at, any other way.
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@lucacuradossi1040 Read the Fugitive Slave Act. Then read St. Paul's letter to Philemon. The two documents do not belong in the same moral universe.
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"Why are people so unaware of how thin the veneer of civilization is?" The table-flippers feel they're losing the game. We don't have enough games, so that everyone can be winning at least some of them, at least some of the time. This is why subsidiarity is so important, and why winner-take-all at the national level is so destructive. The tragic irony here, is these people don't see that monolithic totalitarianism is the end state of the temptation to chaos they're falling to.
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I'm curious, why was it that you said the ugly stuff in the first place? Welcome to the party now, no judgement, just help us understand.
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@Charles-ij1ow Religious institutions have been under sustained attack for the last century, by atheistic regimes hostile to not only Christianity but to America as well. The game changed a bit when Moscow fell silent in 1989, but Beijing has picked up the slack very handily.
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"Left-wing authoritarianism is associated with power-striving" Yeah, history bears that out pretty well.
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"We live in a society where adults are afraid to stand up and tell young people what they need to hear." Absolutely. The "Generation Gap" between the experience of the Depression / War generation, and the Boomers, meant that the Boomers couldn't understand what their parents were teaching them. The Boomers don't have what's necessary to pass down, too much of GenX is similarly ignorant, and Millennials have gone off the deep end. We're in a world where the Kipling poems "If" and "The Gods of the Copybook Headings" need to be read and re-read to young people until they sink in.
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Connecting the "structural -ism" ideology that possesses so many activists, with the gulag, is really scary these days.
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Men get old. The wise king is mortal. The younger generation has to bring the energy to revivify the world.
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This is not a "margin of error problem". This is an "anomalous pro-Biden spikes in the vote count" problem. If the Democrats stuffed the ballot boxes, what we saw, is what it would look like.
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@theshannan59 A large portion of these truckers are Sikh. You know, India used to be the gameboard where France and England used to play, to push each other out. I'm very much in favor of India pushing China out of Canada. All freedom-loving people should unite, against people willing to live with a Chinese-style boot on their necks.
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"Liberals are more associated with openness" Huh, weird. I'm like 90th percentile for openness. I listen to everything the Liberals say. And see that it's complete horses**t.
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@JenkinsPsych Joe encourages people to use drugs, for one. If we're comparing subtly destructive cultural fads, the one with the highest objective bodycount is drug use (100k+ per year.) He's also irrationally hostile to Christian teachings. The only time I've ever seen him get actively angry, was when he was talking with Matt Walsh about the Christian definition of marriage. Joe's certainly not "open to dialog" about that. So you have Joe advocating not only for death (drugs) but celebrating sterility as well. You could argue that despite these failings he's still a net positive, sure. But you could easily imaging a Joe without those failings, and they are very serious failings.
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Norma Jean Dougherty was her real name. There's actually a fairly famous picture of her at a aerial drone factory where she worked during WW2. The photographer picked her out of the entire factory floor as the most photogenic, but apparently that wasn't enough for her.
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"The Left is now the party of war" Conventional wisdom in the 1950s was, "Vote Republican if you want a depression, and vote Democrat if you want a war." Vietnam continued this problem, but recessions became more or less equal in their occurrences.
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Great to see Walter Russell Mead again!
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What can be done about the "stolen election narrative"? A clear, transparent, conscientious, thorough investigation of the election irregularities. How is this anything other than OBVIOUS?
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Why did Trump think he'd won, on Election night? HE LOOKED AT THE DATA.
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"It's not bravery, it's that I know what to be afraid of" Same thing, according to Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics
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"Young people won't accept anything normative" That's their problem. Norms are normative, and the durable ones typically exist for a reason that makes them difficult to dispense with.
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"[Scotland] seems to have this incredible sense -- and they've really bought into this idea -- that unless they can police the thought and speech of their citizens, then they will just run amok." Wellllllll, they may have a point there. "Amok" does seem to be the default position for Scots at times. Why the Scots are putting up with it is an absolute mystery.
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"Why is Bilbo a thief?" I've heard it mentioned that The Hobbit is basically a telling of King Beowulf's Passing (Beowulf and the Dragon) from the point of view of one of Beowulf's companions, who steals a cup which awakens the dragon.
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I was a kid when I first watched that movie, and of course looked up to all the astronauts. As I got older, the nuances of Quaid's role -- youth and brashness -- really became apparent. Great performance!
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"There are no solutions, only trade-offs" That's a function of growing up. When you're small and still getting the hang of life, you have to learn all the no-brainer solutions, or at least the situations where the trade-offs are so absurdly one-sided as to make them solutions. As you get older, the marginal value of the remaining trade-off choices get smaller and smaller, and your information gets less and less reliable. Eventually you get to adulthood where you're stuck with the most difficult questions where moving forward in one direction hurts someone who doesn't want to be hurt. This doesn't mean that new things don't crop up where there really is a solution, but that's a whole lot more rare than you'd like.
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I wonder if it's gotten better or worse in the last couple of years.
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"The teacher that's enforcing gender ideology is just doing her job" So Eichmann was innocent?
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"The idea that the election was filched from Trump leads to cynicism" Only if you're unwilling to be a poll watcher, and unwilling to demand an audit of our processes so that we can trust them again.
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"This is why science that happens in the free world is so far ahead of science that happens under dictatorships" So apparently we live under a dictatorship of bureaucrats like Tony Fuaci.
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"If you are a MAGA conservative when the core of your political belief is based on a big lie" Oh my. This woman's world is going to be absolutely shattered when she learns it's the media and Biden that have been lying to her the whole time.
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Naomi Wolf getting sidetracked from her career explaining Ruskin to undergraduates into politics, might even be as important an event in Western history as a certain Austrian watercolorist getting sidetracked from his art career into politics. No joke. The degree to which Wolf seems to be the genesis of much of the toxic lies that form The Narrative(TM), is shocking.
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"There isn't a moral contender for the ethos of authoritarianism" Disagree strongly. Covid has exposed authoritarian tendencies in the bureaucracies of every country in the world, even the oldest democracies. China is actively pitching authoritarian bureaucracy as an alternative to liberal democracy, to any country who will (or can be paid to) listen. The stage is set for a new Cold War.
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"If you can't take responsibility for your words, you shouldn't be allowed free rein in the realm of discourse" What kind of authority imposes the consequences for that responsibility, and by what criteria are they imposing it?
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