Comments by "Jim Luebke" (@jimluebke3869) on "Jordan B Peterson" channel.

  1. I love the topic-centered clip shows, more please =)
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  2. Were none of the Middle Eastern wars, declared? Were any of the wars against Israel declared? What about Iran / Iraq?
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  3.  @wcolautti  Canada is turning into the sort of country the America of my youth would have attempted to liberate through invasion.
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  4. "The task of a child that age is supposed to be, dealing with their peers" Are you sure about that? I'd like you to please consider whether that does more harm than good. Their job should be, figuring out how to become a peer of the adults around them, instead of being a child. How much will they learn about being an adult from other adolescents? Will they learn other childish habits instead, dealing with other children? If you force enough children into one place, won't that leave them without adult defenses, when mass hysterias and psychoses emerge?
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  5.  @JordanBPeterson  Do you have confidence that the adult educators for 12-18 years olds, are capable of sufficiently and constructively supervising their peer relations? What about when you add social media amongst that mass of teen schoolmates into that mix? I disagree with the premise that after graduating, students will deal mostly with age-peers. This was not my experience, or the experience of most of my own graduating class. Being prepared to take one's place (as someone with a lot more to learn) in a workplace with people 10, 25, or 40 years older than you are, might be more helpful. Wouldn't this variety of perspectives help keep 20somethings grounded in reality, far more than they have been in recent years?
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  6.  @JordanBPeterson  If you're the encouraging uncle to thousands or hundreds of thousands of young men, doesn't that suggest that they deal too much with too many of their peers and not enough with a leavening of mentor-age people in the mix?
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  7.  @JordanBPeterson  Watching Vivek's presidential candidacy, I was struck by how poorly we prepare most children for the core adventure of the American "identity" -- entrepreneurialism. It would be extremely helpful to develop institutions to initiate students into that adventure.
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  8. "If someone else is dead but your bank account is accruing profits quite nicely..." Are you sure that's what would happen, though? In this case, peace is better for business. I mean, to be appallingly cynical, if we fight to the last Ukrainian, isn't that destroying our best potential market? Dead people don't have any money. If we get rid of Russia as a threat, what motive do Poland, the Baltics, Scandinavia, and Romania have to buy weapons to counter that threat? If anyone goes deep into debt to pay for these wars, who's going to pay off that debt? (This was the root of the problem at Versailles -- without reparations, the British and French couldn't pay off the war.) Is America in a position - with even the ability, to say nothing of the popular political will - to sponsor a new Marshall Plan? I'm not at all convinced that, in the long run, defense contractors (at least some of them) wouldn't be better off pushing for peace, and supplying high-end defense systems to prospering countries that have a lot to lose. Stuff Russia's neighbors with enough weapons to make the Kursk salient look like a preschool playground by comparison. Trade land for time to build up defenses -- Russians understand that that's a winning strategy, and may think twice about re-starting conflict, especially when they take a look at their demographic profile. On the other side of it -- if Russia collapses and there's no one to order those nukes to fly (or if they've shot them at us), what's stopping the resource-hungry Chinese from waltzing into resource-rich Eastern Russia? We'll have traded a bogeyman for a real monster. The wars that would result from a prolonged Russia - Ukraine conflict will envelop the world. Most of the casualties will be from conflicts triggered by fertilizer shortages and the resultant famines in Africa, where they will not be from American weapons, but from second-hand AK-47s, machetes, and whatever they can find around the house. No, I don't think that it's at all sensible to say that "War is good for business" or "profit is the motive here". Peace is good for business, although in some fields it's easy to get the two confused.
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  9. "President Eisenhower outlined the Military-Industrial Complex as the biggest threat we face" Well, them, and the Scientific-Technological Elite. Have you ever read his whole Farewell Address? An excerpt (_please read to the end_): "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together. Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades. In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government. Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been over shadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers. The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded. Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite. It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system-ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society."
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  10. "Science is based on the presupposition that the established order is knowable and good" Is this why the resentment of the neo-Marxists leads to their denial of both of these axioms?
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  11. Michael, you ignore the fact that there are malign international actors that would make the sort of freedom you desire absolutely impossible, if the nation had some kind of "divorce". The REAL solution is for the US to divide up into 50 different polities or so, called "commonwealths" (or something different if they wanted to be weird and unique), who would only get together on questions of foreign policy, war, etc.
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  12. "There's a lack of dispositive proof that you would normally want" Acceptance of that norm is an act of faith.
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  13. "A competition of invitations would be great in terms of religion" This works if there is thorough generational knowledge that comes to bear in making the decision of what invitation to accept. Part of what religion does, is maintain that generational knowledge. There's a huge risk of chasing after shortsighted cults (like Leftism / Wokeness) for some transitory fashionable appeal, that you avoid by devoting decades of thought to the teachings of an established religion. Anyone familiar with JBP should know this, and if not, his Genesis and Exodus series are excellent places to start.
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  14. "The point of fatherhood is to provide a safe place for play" In other words, fatherhood lays down laws. (Motherhood is pure comfort and short-term survival.)
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  15. "Imagine that you actually get that revelation from God that you've been praying for" - JBP "Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, then pick himself up and continue on as if nothing has happened." - Winston Churchill, or similar.
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  16. "Have we built communication systems capable of destabilizing our entire societies?" Well, we've built communication systems capable of launching a psychology professor from a Canadian public university into international super-stardom, against the wishes of the Establishment keepers of credibility and finance. These systems are building up their defenses though, canceling the accounts of such upstart academics. Does that mean we're making progress ameliorating the destabilizing effects of social media?
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  17. "We need to be better at messaging" The messaging needs to include spreadsheets, and the messaging needs to be pointed at people who understand those spreadsheets.
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  18. "How do we continue to fight the Political-Industrial Complex, when it's a generational struggle and you only have four years?" -- Institutionalize it as a new Cold War. On the one hand Freedom -- freedom of speech, free and fair elections so (like the market in economics) regular people with distributed cognition can all bring their experiences (and expertise) to the table. On the other hand, Mandarins -- the Elite class that claims a monopoly on expertise, despite the fact that the Information Revolution has democratized expertise like never before. This is the genius that the uniquely American spirit can bring to the world. THIS is why it's worthwhile to reinvigorate our frontier spirit, our independent individual excellence. It's completely in keeping with the character of our institutions and our history, recent and distant. This is the grand narrative that we need to push, to maintain the best of the American character, that I believe you all are looking for these days.
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  19. 57:51 -- You can see something different because you're standing on their shoulders -- but you can't see the ground, because they're in the way. There are some foundational aspects of morality whose meaning is not readily apparent on a timescale shorter than decades, or even generations. For example, making a firm distinction, in language and in law, between a human relationship that can result in children and one that can't, is something whose importance can only be fully appreciated over generations.
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  20. "It's going to take a LOT of pebbles to build that wall" Enable the pebbles to build themselves. =)
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  21.  @andrewcross5918  He brought it up for a couple of sentences near the end, only to point out that no one (including him) had brought it up before. It was a very Roger Rabbit moment; "Why didn't you do that before?" "Because then it wouldn't have been *funny*!" Where was he when the opposition was flinging ad hominem attacks against Peterson? Nowhere to be found.
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  22.  @chatshitgetbanged.9417  Yes. And Fry said nothing, while this was going on.
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  23.  @andrewcross5918  Why stop them? Because then they could get back on topic, the lack of which he deplored in his closing remarks. He didn't really do anything constructive. Here in this discussion, he's just following along with points that most of us noticed years ago, now that it's looking like the tide is turning against Political Correctness. His silence on the BBC scandals and his yammering on the Catholic scandals betrays an enormous lack of integrity on his part.
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  24.  @andrewcross5918  There is no position so wise, that you can't find a fool who supports it. It's nihilistic, just to sit back and let other things destroy themselves -- and Peterson's opponents in the Munk debate hardly destroyed themselves, they're still around, so even that goal was unmet. I can well believe that watching the destruction around him is the best Fry can do. His existence may indeed precede his essence in a most empirical way, but his existence is a completely sterile one. Peterson has always tried to call forth more, from people. That's greatly to be admired.
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  25.  @andrewcross5918  "Wall of text"? Lol, get off of Twitter, it's reduced your attention span to the vanishing point.
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  26. Re: traffic congestion - people don't pay tolls if they have a choice. What is the market telling you? Congestion is bad, but tolls are worse.
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  27. I'm ultra-high in openness, and below average in conscientiousness. Why the h**l am I a Conservative? Aside from the fact that Conservatives seem to be objectively right about everything.
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  28. "We commonly find mini-Neptunes, hot Jupiters, and compact multiple rocky systems" Are these simply the easiest to detect?
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  29. "Not that the world is constructed in an ill-gotten manner" Do you support present-day divorce law?
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  30. "Women who get divorced tend to fall down the economic hierarchy" Men too -- some get crushed completely. Divorce is bad for everyone.
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  31. At the end there she's kind of an idiot, though.
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  32. "The theory was that if China liberalized economically, they would liberalize politically, and free trade was the means to make that happen" This bit of unwarranted optimism was based on the claim that "The USSR was brought down by Levi's jeans and Hershey chocolate". Most Favored Nation trade status for China goes on the list of over-optimistic gambles that the US foreign policy establishment takes, from time to time. In the 90's it was MFN, in the 00's it was the invasion to flip Iraq from "bad guys" to "good guys", and in the 2010's it's a coin toss between DEI, and mass migration.
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  33. You get culture as "the cynical use of power over others" when you allow sociopaths to propose definitions. They don't see people as anything other than tools. This limitation follows through to their philosophical capacity.
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  34. "MIT has dropped the Math SAT" The MIT degree is no longer worth anything. Thank you for letting me know, I will take that into account when hiring now.
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  35. "People on the two sides of the political divide don't even have their own facts" Er, no. On the Right, there are facts. On the Left, there is The Narrative(TM), which does not take facts into account.
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  36. "Show me even one climate prediction that has not been debunked within five years. We have to assume these people are making them in good faith" Except, you will have better luck telling a scientist that his grandchildren are u*ly, than you will telling him his computer model is wrong. Yes, they genuinely believe their models are correct, but as you point out they utterly ignore all objective proof otherwise.
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  37. You left out the part of Jonah that's practically a satire of the "great prophet" archetype, at least compared to Abraham.
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  38. "Forced virtue is not virtue, it's obedience." Obedience is a virtue, so, there you go. =)
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  39. "Kushner said, 'let's try something new' and it resulted in the Abraham Accords" According to his interlocutors, the new thing that Kushner tried, was to actually listen to what they had to say. Of course the risk there, is that Kushner would get played for a rube. Can we rule that out?
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  40. "Old orders are passing away -- what creature are we building, what do we serve?" "What rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?"
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  41. Please have a J S Bach chamber choir at your school. What Bach did was equivalent to the most beautifully illuminated manuscripts, in audible form.
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  42. Is the disconnectedness of human minds a bug, or a feature?
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  43. Dr. Peterson, why don't you take the class, and critique it?
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  44. It seems to me that using a word like "butchery" indicates a level of stress that suppresses play.
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  45. "I'm sort of glad I'm not teaching at this point" The exact problem we are facing, is the near-total capture of our institutions because of the departure of good men. The fact that he left his post should not be something he passes off with a lightly embarrassed chuckle.
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  46. "It's distressing that the campaign that was rolled out was antithetical to the view expressed at the ballot box" That's because it MATTERS who writes the laws. The reason that the Median Voter has been demonstrated not to have any power, is that they do not write any laws. Laws are written by university-educated, median-top-10%-of-earners types. Those are the people who rule us, not the top 1%.
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  47. There has been talk for the last several years of a "Greater Idaho" movement. Several of the eastern (conservative) counties of Oregon have voted to split off, to join Idaho. This is similar to the initiative to form the state of Jefferson, which is also more conservative and includes many of the same counties in Oregon, plus some conservative northern California counties. If Oregon's counties succeed in joining Idaho, it's likely California's northern counties would follow suit. If you keep heading southwards, you see that if you get very far from the coast, the majority of easterly counties in California go "red" -- conservative. If the northern counties of California join Greater Idaho, it's likely that these counties (which reach down to the Mexican border) would wish to join as well. Which leads to the interesting question -- I have heard talk of Alberta seceding from Canada, and joining the United States. If it can bring some of the southern mountain regions of British Columbia with it, it would also be contiguous with Idaho. All it would take is a little bit of a push into the Northwest Territories, and suddenly Greater Idaho goes from the Arctic Circle to the Mexican border. Greater Idaho is the new Manifest Destiny!
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  48. "The problem with imposing order on anything is you lose the connection to the transcendent" Well, it can be that order / rationality inevitably narrows your vision, to block out not only certain types of potential but also the combinatorial explosion you'd have if everything on a human scale could manifest all of its potentials at once. Can you make a distinction between the transcendent, and the merely combinatorial / potential?
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  49.  @JordanBPeterson  If the transcendent is "the Way, the Truth, and the Light" (If I may steal some poetry), then isn't the Bible teaching that the Logos is transcendent? (Or Transcendence?) Is looking for Transcendence, simply looking for Proper Order?
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  50. "If everything is archetypes, why not tell the same story over and over?" (Well, there is "re-watch potential") It's useful to apply the old stories to novel problems.
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