Comments by "Some Guy" (@someguy2135) on "The New York Times"
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@willmont8258 You- "You do realize this is all about pushing people to become vegetarians, and not about saving the planet, correct?" Sounds like conjecture and speculation. Possibly a product of rationalization to enable meat and dairy consumers to continue as before. Is the expert panel of the UN a majority vegan? You would have to prove that with evidence. Here is one example of a research scientist named Joseph Poore, who changed to a plant based diet after seeing the results of a study that he led.
"According to the most comprehensive analysis of farming’s impact on the planet, plant-based food is most effective at combatting climate change. Oxford University researcher Joseph Poore, who led the study, said adopting a vegan diet is “the single biggest way to reduce your impact on planet Earth.”
“A vegan diet is probably the single biggest way to reduce your impact on planet Earth, not just greenhouse gases, but global acidification, eutrophication, land use and water use.”. -Joseph Poore, Environmental Science Researcher, University of Oxford.
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@willmont8258 Scientists have been predicting climate change and its effects for a long time. They have been proven to be right in general, despite getting some details wrong in their predictions. " In the 1960s, the evidence for the warming effect of carbon dioxide gas became increasingly convincing. Some scientists also pointed out that human activities that generated atmospheric aerosols (e.g., "pollution") could have cooling effects as well.
During the 1970s, scientific opinion increasingly favored the warming viewpoint. By the 1990s, as the result of improving the fidelity of computer models and observational work confirming the Milankovitch theory of the ice ages, a consensus position formed: greenhouse gases were deeply involved in most climate changes and human-caused emissions were bringing discernible global warming. Since the 1990s, scientific research on climate change has included multiple disciplines and has expanded. Research has expanded our understanding of causal relations, links with historic data, and abilities to measure and model climate change. Research during this period has been summarized in the Assessment Reports by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change." -Wikipedia
"Hansen and others published the 1981 study Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide, and noted:
It is shown that the anthropogenic carbon dioxide warming should emerge from the noise level of natural climate variability by the end of the century, and there is a high probability of warming in the 1980s. Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the fabled Northwest Passage.[79]" - Wikipedia
I recognize that you are not going to be convinced regardless of how many studies from credible sources I cite. I take the time to cite them for others who will read this thread over time.
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@willmont8258 You- "...there is no sign of "people are suffering, people are dying, entire eco systems are collapsing, we are in the beginning of a mass extinction because of "climate change". Here are some signs. People losing their homes to more extreme fires, and floods, and yes, some of them are dying from them.
"The Global Burden of Disease study (GBD) estimates that in 2019: 4.5 million people died prematurely from outdoor air pollution (from PM2. 5 and ground-level ozone). 2.3 million died from indoor air pollution." -Our World in Data Nov 25, 2021
"Examples of collapsed ecosystems
The Rapa Nui subtropical broadleaf forests in Easter Island, formerly dominated by an endemic Palm, are considered collapsed due to the combined effects of overexplotaition, climate change and introduced exotic rats.[12]
The Aral Sea was an endorheic lake between Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan. It was once considered one of the largest lakes in the world but has been shrinking since the 1960s after the rivers that fed it were diverted for large scale irrigation. By 1997, it had declined to 10% of its original size, splitting into much smaller hypersaline lakes, while dried areas have transformed into desert steppes.
The regime shift in the northern Benguela upwelling ecosystem is considered an example of ecosystem collapse in open marine environments.[13] Prior to the 1970s sardines were the dominant vertebrate consumers, but overfishing and two adverse climatic events (Benguela Niño in 1974 and 1984) lead to an impoverished ecosystem state with high biomass of jellyfish and pelagic goby.[14]" -Wikipedia
"Earth's creatures are on the brink of a sixth mass extinction, comparable to the one that wiped out the dinosaurs. That's the conclusion of a new study, which calculates that three-quarters of today's animal species could vanish within 300 years. "This is really gloom-and-doom stuff," says the study's lead author, paleobiologist Anthony Barnosky of the University of California, Berkeley. "But the good news is we haven't come so far down the road that it's inevitable."- (Title) Are We in the Middle of a Sixth Mass Extinction?
Study finds that three-quarters of Earth's species could vanish within 300 years
2 MAR 2011BYANN GIBBONS (Published in the prestigious journal "Science.")
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@willmont8258 Maybe you will find this source more credible- "Because their assets and income represent such a small share of national wealth, the impacts of climate change on poor people, even if dramatic, will be largely invisible in aggregate economic statistics such as the Gross Domestic Product (GDP). Assessing and managing future impacts of climate change on poverty requires different metrics, and specific studies focusing on the vulnerability of poor people. This special issue provides a set of such studies, looking at the exposure and vulnerability of people living in poverty to shocks and stressors that are expected to increase in frequency or intensity due to climate change, such as floods, droughts, heat waves, and impacts on agricultural production and ecosystem services. This introduction summarizes their approach and findings, which support the idea that the link between poverty and climate vulnerability goes both ways: poverty is one major driver of people's vulnerability to climate-related shocks and stressors, and this vulnerability is keeping people in poverty. The paper concludes by identifying priorities for future research." -(Full abstract from article)
(Poverty and climate change: introduction
Published online by Cambridge University Press: 16 May 2018
Stephane Hallegatte
,
Marianne Fay
and
Edward B. Barbier)
Relevant part- " ...poverty is one major driver of people's vulnerability to climate-related shocks and stressors, and this vulnerability is keeping people in poverty."
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@willmont8258 "4. Poor people are often more exposed to natural hazards, and are more vulnerable to their impacts
Looking at extreme events and natural disasters is particularly important in the estimation of future climate change impacts. A recent report (Hallegatte et al., Reference Hallegatte, Vogt-Schilb, Bangalore and Rozenberg2017) reviews dozens of case studies showing that poverty increases after natural disasters, and estimates that, on average, 26 million people are falling into poverty every year due to natural disasters, especially relatively frequent floods and drought. In the future, natural hazards such as floods, droughts and extreme temperatures will increase in frequency or intensity in many (but not all) regions as a result of climate change, possibly making it more difficult for people to escape poverty." -(From the Cambridge article cited above.)
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@willmont8258 I am aware of the situation of poorer countries wanting to burn fossil fuels to increase their wealth in the short term. That makes it all the more important for those of us in the wealthier countries to make changes to do our part. For example, here in the USA, we should switch from being one of the highest consumers of meat to a plant based diet.
In the long term, poor countries like Bangladesh would suffer the most from climate change. "Often referred to as “ground zero for climate change,” Bangladesh ranked sixth on the 2018 Global Climate Risk Index, and for many Bangladeshis, particularly the rural communities in low-lying coastal areas, those risks are already unmanageable. Riverbank erosion displaces 50,000 to 200,000 people here each year. Thousands more flee every time a major cyclone hits the coast. The most recent came in the midst of the Rohingya refugee crisis last May, and there were at least 12 others dating back to 1965. Not only do the intensifying storms destroy homes and livelihoods, but they also contribute to higher water and soil salinity. This saltwater incursion leaves millions with little to drink or eat." -NRDC (National Resources Defense Council.)
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Fortunately, we do not need to resort to eating bugs to avoid the damage to our environment from animal agriculture. The largest organization of nutrition professionals officially declared-
"It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.
These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes. Plant-based diets are more environmentally sustainable than diets rich in animal products because they use fewer natural resources and are associated with much less environmental damage. Vegetarians and vegans are at reduced risk of certain health conditions, including ischemic heart disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, certain types of cancer, and obesity. Low intake of saturated fat and high intakes of vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, soy products, nuts, and seeds (all rich in fiber and phytochemicals) are characteristics of vegetarian and vegan diets that produce lower total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels and better serum glucose control. These factors contribute to reduction of chronic disease. Vegans need reliable sources of vitamin B-12, such as fortified foods or supplements."
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You don't like expensive food? Switch to a whole food plant based diet. Meat is more expensive than beans, rice, pasta, potatoes, oatmeal or bananas. That way you can save money and do the most effective change possible to fight climate change and environmental degradation. We can not buy a new planet regardless of how much money we have.
Each one of us has the power to make a big difference. Go vegan.
"Eating a vegan diet could be the “single biggest way” to reduce your environmental impact on earth, a new study suggests. Researchers at the University of Oxford found that cutting meat and dairy products from your diet could reduce an individual's carbon footprint from food by up to 73 per cent.Sep 24, 2020"
“A vegan diet is probably the single biggest way to reduce your impact on planet Earth, not just greenhouse gases, but global acidification, eutrophication, land use and water use.”. -Joseph Poore, Environmental Science Researcher, University of Oxford
Links on my channel under "About."
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