Comments by "Bob" (@bobs_toys) on "laowhy86" channel.

  1. This is the same problem they have with Australia. When you're that colossal a juggernaut and a country smaller than some of your cities successfully stands up to you... What does that tell every other bigger, stronger country? When you fight with someone that much smaller than you, ignoring that it shows your terrible character, you're expected to win without breaking a sweat. To struggle to win, or even to lose is disastrous.
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  2.  @李華-i8r  it's a Gray area. The structures are there, but it's really hard for the governing party to lose. If they do manage to lose, the structures allow for a peaceful transition of power. As opposed to the PRC where the only way of changing the party in power involves potentially massive amounts of violence.
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  3.  @Mr2tails  what aspect of independence is it currently missing? Why should the constitution, etc be changed? It's a smaller country than it was, but it's the same country that's been independent for the last century.
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  4.  yo dasxi  An attitude that completely won't be regretted when the 4-2-1 problem really begins to bite over the next few years.
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  5.  Papyrus Okagbue  You can have a place that doesn't have a high chance of a civil war. What happens when the CCP falls?
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  6.  @barreloffun10  One child policy. Which has been technically reversed, but only after a huge cultural change occurred. Which has led to people not wanting more than one child. Four grandparents, two parents, one child. And a minimal social welfare system. Leading to the youngest supporting up to six older relatives.
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  7.  Lei Feng - 雷锋同志  so you don't think the Chinese people are intelligent enough to choose their leaders? Why not? The people in the independent nation of Taiwan seem to have done a first class job. You can see this from the much higher general standard of living than is experienced by the PRC populace. As for that alleged western collapse, this is the same West to which China's educated populace is moving in droves. Why would so many millions of highly educated Chinese be moving to countries that are collapsing?
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  8.  @vladoparenzan3344  it takes like two minutes to see your numbers are flat out wrong. I'm 1993 the Polish gdp per capita was 2500 usd. Or about 4300 in 2018 dollars. GDP per capita in 2018 was 15k. So your post is a shameless lie at both ends of the scale.
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  9.  @greed0599  as someone who was in Hong Kong from April 2019 to national security education day, the thing that got me about the CCP spokesmen from the lowliest wumao to Lam (and higher) was that they didn't even attempt to be believable. The most outrageous lies were said with a straight face. Edit: that and their ability to make the situation worse. If I'd been told that the CIA was paying the CCP puppets to do retarded stuff, it would have made sense.
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  10. Plus this is how Hong Kong becomes free (as part of the PRC's fragmentation)
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  11.  @jokerye877  let it become one? It already is one
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  12. Think of these two things. 1. That the CCP has achieved basically none of its initial goals. Reuniting China (except for the bits that were given to Russia) is the closest it comes. 2. What a sign of the CCP's weakness it is when Taiwan says things like "we are independent" and there isn't a thing it can do about it.
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  13.  @gagedillon8090  as more do it, more will do it. Pretty much everything they do to control things fails when it gets to big things. They can control small groups, but big groups are simply beyond them. It's why Hong Kong scared them to the point they were willing to openly shred their credibility with the rest of the world. They were scared it would spread. They can "punish" one country, they can't punish all of them
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  14. That they have to put in laws that stop people freely exchanging it and moving it overseas really says all anyone needs to know about their own faith in their own economy.
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  15. ​ @mojito4493  The economic slowdown long predates Trump being in power. The trade war itself is something that (from the American side) only came in with Trump. And he didn't even blame the CCP. That's an awfully thin skin you've got there. I think George hit a bit close to home.
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  16.  Lei Feng - 雷锋同志  from the people who brought us "the overwhelming silent majority supported the government" Do you remember that? It right before their last free vote. Which was followed by postponing the next election and rewriting the rules to go from it being extremely difficult to lose to being a literal impossibility.
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  17.  @Mr2tails  saying that someone else owns something that belongs to you doesn't mean that something owns you. As an example, no one has suggested that Taiwan is part of Mongolia, yet its territorial claims include Mongolia. And what aspect of independence is it missing?
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  18.  @srbislavn  this would be that standard bit of dishonesty where we ignore that the CCP threatened to invade Hong Kong if the UK granted it democracy.
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  19.  @bellatordei3440  why did you think that? "a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism."
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  20.  @FullSpeedGamer  wumao or someone who's decided to be intentionally disingenuous for free. It feels like there's more dignity in being paid to do that than just deciding for yourself it's the right thing to do.
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  21. I moved to HK right before the protests started. You chose a good time to get out of the area. For me this had been meant to be a stepping stone for something cushy in Europe, well away from the Asia Pacific region. Except everything started to fall to shit about five years earlier than expected.
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  22.  @ZincFold  you should check out the human development index. The top is utterly dominated by democracies. The independent nation of Taiwan is a classic example of a democracy that has delivered its average citizen a far better standard of living than the CCP. To say nothing of the people Hong Kong and Taiwan shielded from the Aussies. Atrocities of Mao
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  23.  @jokerye877  so no senior Taiwanese member of government has ever said words to the effect of “We don’t have a need to declare ourselves an independent state, We are an independent country already and we call ourselves the Republic of China, Taiwan" Is that what you're saying? Between that and saying no country has recognised Taiwan, I think it's worth giving you an opportunity to be really sure of what you're saying.
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  24. ​ @larryc1616 doesn't try to spread the message that it's the strongest country in the world.
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  25.  @peacebe2u480  they are, but they've also gone and turned the entire world into an enemy. Not good for a country whose government relies on economic development for its legitimacy
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  26.  @caseytatum5837  two very compatible emotions. I'm packing up and getting ready to leave Hong Kong. I'm devastated and furious. I love it here and angry that the CCP has made my staying untenable.
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  27.  @wxj8658  >> I often hear westerners complain about 'Chinese people everywhere'<< You probably do. But only because so many Chinese people choose to go to Western countries. They're weighing the options, taking the chance and making the choice to go there. >>then they say ' one child policy is against humanity << Absolutely is. Forced abortions are barbaric. Look, you've got three positions. The first is anti choice keep the child. I'm not a fan for a variety of reasons, but at least there's no killing of children involved. The second is pro choice. Keep the child if you want it. The third is anti choice kill the child. That's barbaric. >>can you imagine if there was no one child policy?<< You wouldn't have the scary upcoming demographic drop as masses of workers become retirees without nearly as many to replace them. The Chinese population would decline, but this is far too fast. Edit: Just checked the numbers. In 1966 it was about 7 children per woman. In 1978 it was less than three (replacement levels are 2.1) So yeah, already dropping. But the issue was it dropped too low. To about 1.5 with places like Shanghai having the lowest number, and the poorest regions having the highest. Now.... It's too late to avoid the upcoming problems. These days it takes about 20-25 years to make a newborn useful. >>Or just try to picture the Chinese people around you times 5...<< Highly unlikely. Given the Chinese who come to Western countries are the best China has to offer (Immigration isn't a random thing. We choose the type of people we want) and prosperous families tend to have fewer children. >>westerners would always find little things to hate China. They are brainwashed to see China that way.<< I'm married to a Chinese girl. The only time I've ever seen any form of disgust or hatred is when I'm actually in China, from Chinese seeing a Westerner with a Chinese girl.
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  28.  @thechameleon2636  you're right. He needs help. It's not a reasonable comparison. The Nazis didn't kill nearly as many as the CCP.
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  29.  @stevenlee3422  jesus that's a dangerous attitude.
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  30. The thing that got me when I was living in Hong Kong during the protests was just how utterly incompetent the govt was when it came to any messaging aimed outside the mainland. If I'd found out that the CIA was bribing government officials to say and do whatever they could to make the situation worse (in the beginning it was quite manageable. Withdraw the extradition bill and move on with life) I wouldn't have been surprised. Given that I don't think the Hong Kong and PRC govt was being bribed by the CIA, however, what came out was truly mind-blowing.
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  31.  @greed0599  I don't really think the CCP understands the concept of credibility or trust. Like... Literally I don't think they understand the basic concepts or why you'd want people to believe that you'll do things like stick to the agreements you make.
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  32.  @goliathdelaru8560  You think China went out of its way to help the US in any way except as a by product of what helped it? And yeah. The Asia Pacific is a good place for the US to focus its military. I'll put it this way: How many Asian countries would you say would stand firm with China as an ally in a war between them and the US?
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  33.  @ChinaUncleMikey  it's just how they think. To him, the idea of lying for money is completely natural. Something to be assumed will be done. This is the culture the CCP created after it destroyed the original Chinese culture.
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  34. ​ yo dasxi  I'd ask you to elaborate, but you're obviously just trying to pull numbers out of the air to say something about overpopulation. Which is absolutely nothing to the problems China's rapidly ageing population will cause. That $3T of foreign reserves China holds is going to be nothing in the face of the expenses of caring for an elderly population. Particularly when you can't attract immigrants to help with the labour force.
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  35.  @namu5583  Xi took over, and China reversed course from liberalising and turning into a country that had the flexibility it needed to survive long term, and into a more authoritarian state. Amongst other things, the last peaceful method of changing who's in power was removed in 2017. The term limits being removed for Xi's benefit was an amazingly bad idea for China as a whole.
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  36.  yo dasxi  >>Then Chinese around the world living in the country they are in should do the same. Bad mouth the country and the racist people they have to live with and show their disrespect for that country. All fair, I like it.<< Choose to live with. In favour of living in China. Can't be that bad. Or the PRC really is that bad. >>Amerika, Australia, Canada, Germany and the UK are all racist to Chinese of any color. Chinese get the low paying jobs, no big jobs for China spies. China people can live anywhere as long as it's in Chinatown. << What year are you living in? 1920? I've worked with many, many Chinese people in Australia working very highly paid jobs in very sensitive areas. That's complete delusional bollocks which is perfectly in line with how delusional the rest of your posts are.
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  37. My wife's friends and family have noticed it's starting to become difficult to leave. Nothing direct, but a cancelled flight for one relative, a virus test taken too soon (less than six hours) prior to the flight. Indirect things like that
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  38.  @anasqader3851  that are subject to US federal law and law enforcement. What PRC law enforcers are enforcing PRC law in the republic of China?
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  39.  @rengejun  better that than to be subservient to the party that used the state to preserve the right of its leaders to commit rape. Not even your body is your own.
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  40.  @ZincFold  >>the HDI flaws are easy to Google<< The relevant flaws should also be easy to state. And yet... Here we are. Standard boring evasion. Nothing presented that invalidates their use in my argument. God wumao are bad at what they do. It's amazing. To think you're the people the CCP actually employs to represent it.
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  41.  @MeiinUK  so.... Ethnonationalism? It's difficult to see what you're trying to say there.
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  42.  @jokerye877  by the meanings of these words. Under multiple legal theories of statehood. What is missing from it being independent? What is missing from it being a country? With some actual source (not a meaningless thing like "it's not in the un" - countries aren't defined by un membership) for the relevance of that absence
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  43.  @jokerye877  I'm enjoying the shifting goalposts and the fact that now you're just making up requirements as you go along. I don't need to try harder. The facts are on my side.
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  44.  @TorpedoEight  it's why people bother to play baccarat. It's a completely random game with something like a 97.5 percent return to player. You go on, you buy a million worth of non convertible chips. You play them through and get your winnings in convertible chips. You redeem your winnings in USD. You've evaded the rules with a 2.5 percent agent fee.
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  45. My experience in Hong Kong makes that intelligent elites bit sound inaccurate.
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  46. That's why I left Hong Kong and refuse to go anywhere near China at the moment. I'm not even happy about being in Australia.
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  47.  @ZincFold  nothing is perfect. But I notice you didn't offer anything specific. Any flaws that were bad enough to invalidate its use in my argument.
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  48.  yo dasxi  Depends whether you're conflating the govt with the country. Which if you are, that's an enormous disrespect to China. It's a country worthy of a far better government.
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  49.  @vicrus3545  was that meant to make sense?
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  50.  N C  and even inside them, pretty much everything is either brand new or falling apart.
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