Comments by "Bob" (@bobs_toys) on "laowhy86" channel.

  1. The ROC has been an independent country since 1912. 37 years before the secessionist PRC was founded.
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  2.  @masonchan1585  when the PRC falls apart as a result of the CCP falling, Hong Kong will be the only party of China the rest of the world has any desire to see do well. It sucks now and will get worse, but Hong Kong will outlast the PRC.
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  3. @Daniel I've also got a visa. No. Hell no. Not touching. My wife is very much on the same page. I'd just left Hong Kong because of the CCP's actions. Also, Shanghai is not a remotely typical part of China. But anyway, your actions show what you believe. When I thought it was a good idea to move up Hong Kong, I moved. When I thought it was a good idea to leave, I left. What I didn't do was sit on the internet talking about what I'd like to do as if it was the same as doing it.
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  4.  @璟荦苍  that's nice. But your dreams have no bearing on whether or not Taiwan is an independent country. Which it is by definition.
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  5.  yo dasxi  >>decision not yours to make or conclude. China rise just happening so more laws and changes are needed. << What a strange and irrelevant statement to make in response to what I'd said. It's like you've got no idea of what to say, but are just looking for words.
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  6.  @evechurchill424  I'm a British and Australian citizen and the PRC uses hostages in diplomacy.
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  7.  @jonathanlee5520  this is the 17th year I've been going through the PRC on a fairly regular basis. Mostly in the Northeast, but also going through to the west. This included seeing things like the defaced Buddha's and destroyed temples when I first started going. I'm also living in Hong Kong and have spent time in Singapore to see the difference in places that avoided the cultural revolution. It's dramatic. To say nothing of my experience with current and former PRC nationals. Who both have a strong tendency to be far more ethical than those who stayed in the PRC and to distrust people from the PRC. Although I'm sure they just haven't seen the country they were born and raised in.
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  8. I love pointing people in China to chatgpt and giving Tian'anmen square as the example of why it's banned
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  9.  @zacharmstrong7807  Hong Kong was very different. It still is, but the things that kept Hong Kong different have been destroyed over the last two years. Now the consequences of that destruction are unfolding.
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  10.  @srbislavn  you're saying this to an Australian who's probably going to vote in an election later this year (if not, next year)
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  11. ​ @ZincFold  >>voting in Aus won't change much because Washington has had Canberra bent over a bar stool begging for more a long time now. << That's an impressive goalpost shift away from what I replied to.
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  12.  @璟荦苍  see my last statement about the irrelevancy of your dreams.
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  13.  @璟荦苍  my definition is previously stated. If you're trying to suggest what you wrote is my definition you're either lying or illiterate.
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  14.  yo dasxi  >>May be you are saying Chinese are Low IQ people and they need whites to help them grow and survive. No thanks, China doing great without foreigners and western intervention<< Maybe in your head I am. Fortunately I neither take responsibility nor feel any need to respond to what goes on inside your head. If you can quote where I've said this, that would be great, but judging from your last few posts, you're getting further and further from reality.
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  15.  @wxj8658  >>the majority of Chinese you see overseas are tourists.<< No, the majority of Chinese I see actually live in the areas I live in. I don't hang around tourist spots. I especially don't expect to see tourists in my workplace. I'm going to cut out the stuff that depends on that incorrect first belief. >>One child policy was extreme but definitely not all worng.<< As a short term measure, you're quite right. It also helped the economy by freeing up all those women to be workers. As a long term measure... Well.... You're about to watch any advantage from it comprehensively disappear. >>Some Chinese chose to go overseas because of the competitiveness over everything in China makes it hard to enjoy life.<< That's an Asian thing. >>Without the one child policy Chinese would have also suffered. << You've had two bad options, thanks in large part to Mao encouraging poor people to have large families. The path chosen was the short term easier path. (Still barbaric) with long term worse results. >>China is different to the US or Australia.<< I've noticed. >>The first white person I've seen in real like is when I was 14. people were much more closed minded back then. It's definitely getting better now, especially in bigger cities.<< Quite the opposite. It's bigger cities where it's getting worse. In smaller regions, it's too much of a novelty. >>I'm sorry you were treated that way. But you can't compare China with the developed countries.<< Can I compare the developed parts of China with developed countries? Also, it doesn't change that I've never had an issue with anyone from my miscegenation in a Western country Only in China. If you're going to criticise a place for being like something, don't make excuses for the place you're defending being worse on that exact topic. At best, tactfully ignore it. >>Compare China to China. I now see westerners in my city all the time. Most people are open to marrying people from another country.<< But people are, overall, becoming more and more xenophobic.
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  16.  Finnic Patriot  I understand that Poe's law says some wumao is going to come along saying something that's indistinguishable from what I'd just said, but God damn. How much do I need to over egg this to simply be seen to be making fun of the BS you get from the official story?
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  17. You're going to need to link me to where those are criteria for what is it isn't a country. Also, considering they avoided the Mao years, it's pretty clear that they're the winners of the post 1949 era.
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  18.  @Mr2tails  territorial claims don't affect their independence status. Neither does their provocation of a separate country This would go much faster (involve far fewer circles) if you didn't keep on throwing pointless stuff to see if anything stuck. Which really tells you all you need to know about the CCP's arguments. If you had any good ones, you'd be discussing the subject directly instead of casting around for random things that might be relevant if you've cocked your head to the left, squint a bit and have had the right amount of booze.
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  19.  @stavrosk.2868  March? Or are pushed in wheelchairs?
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  20. ​ @im_jordan_ poverty is a relative thing. So if everyone was equal, there couldn't be poverty. Even if they were equally starving.
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  21.  @FullPerspective  I don't think you know what these terms mean. Since Deng allowed capitalism, the PRC's economy has been very capitalist. The communist party was saved by allowing in capitalism. When the PRC was fully socialist while Mao was competing with Pol Pot and the Kims to show what real incompetence looked like, its people were among the poorest in the world. This idea you have that you're more intelligent than any random person on the internet is one you should probably drop.
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  22.  @haotingyang213  because the last two years, which included the destruction of any realistic chance of Taiwan choosing to join the PRC, a world in which the CCP virus caused havoc within and distracted the world's powers and the president of Taiwan saying they already ARE independent wasn't a good enough time? What more is needed?
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  23.  @jonathanlee5520  that's quite a rant. But I'm not sure what part of my post that's meant to contradict. Think you can try again, just without the angry crazy? Also, I'm not American. I'd say I'm not sure why you bother to bring them up, but that would be a lie. Whataboutism is something people do can't defend their own position have been relying on for a long time. Finally: I can't go in and out freely. Thanks to the CCP virus, I can't go anywhere freely. I have to wonder about the type of person who can talk about free travel after the year the entire world has had. Because of this government's failure to contain the virus, I haven't seen my family in over a year and aren't exactly sure of when I will be able to.
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  24. I've been going round for seventeen years, plus lived in Hong Kong for two years, leaving recently. Back in Australia now. I loved Hong Kong. What happened is heartbreaking and I'll miss it. But I won't be back to any part of The PRC until major changes happen. It's just not safe.
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  25.  @justbeyourself8515  this is the same govt that also has the support of the "silent majority" of Hong Kong. The same silent majority that supported them so strongly, they were forced to cancel the last election (after they were annihilated at the district councillor election) before rewriting the rules to go from being extremely difficult to lose an election to being utterly impossible. Why should I believe this claim of strong support when they themselves obviously don't believe it? If they believed it, they wouldn't be terrified of free information, free expression and the ballot box. Anyway, I've got no idea of what your post had to do with credibility. It looked like you were trying to just add in the whole "people like improved living standards so they're ok" in response to an unrelated statement
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  26. It's also interesting watching what happens when the faith is shattered. I'd seen it with my wife. The effect was impressive. Pure rage.
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  27. My wife's family is there. I gave her a hell no for the next two years at least. We've got a daughter, so it's a bit easier. She's finally realising I'm not paranoid.
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  28.  @JP-fp8uc  the CCP is terrified of losing power in a way western politicians aren't. A western politician or party loses power, it has a chance to get back in a few years later. Worst case, they become irrelevant and retire. The CCP loses power and they're dead. Either by murder or as the result of the things they've been doing over the last seven decades coming to light. There are no innocent people in government here. At best, there's people who've turned a blind eye to and profited from atrocities (this is why the anti corruption campaign was such an effective way of getting rid of opponents. Everyone is corrupt) At a bare minimum, each month they can hang on is a month in which they can continue to send wealth overseas. This is why there's been vicious suppression of any effort to prepare China for a time after the CCP. Nothing is as important to them as those extra days in power. Nothing is as bad as them losing power. I include civil war in this.
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  29.  @璟荦苍  you can if you want. It fits the definition. Just like Scotland is a country. The next question is whether it's independent. For that, you'll need to let me know what legal control the PRC has over Taiwan. Edit: a nation or territory considered as an organized political community under one government. "Germany, Italy, and other European states" You could save us all time on pointless replies like that if you cracked open a dictionary first. I understand that you need something to nit pick on, but this isn't going to go well. State and country are fairly interchangeable terms. You can bring up internationally accepted legal theories if you want more than a dictionary definition. There's two of them. Neither is on your side.
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  30.  @璟荦苍  your words don't mean shit. They're a justification of your fantasies, nothing more, nothing less. I've given the definition and at least one legal theory which you gave up disputing, plus a solid precedent you responded to with some irrelevancy about an agreement to shoot at each other less (an armistice is a truce. Not a peace) What is fun, however, is watching you desperately seek new straws to grasp.
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  31.  @璟荦苍  yawn. That old chestnut. Which has nothing to do with any of the accepted legal definitions of the word. But bless you, you tried. Then you gave up and presented us with the stench of the definitions pulled from your own arse.
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  32.  @璟荦苍  I enjoy how your strongest arguments against Taiwan being an independent country all really boil down to the consequences of the CCP being run by insecure violent psychopaths in control of a huge country. What you've basically said is "there will be consequences for anyone who explicitly states reality" (which doesn't change what that reality is)
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  33.  @璟荦苍  except it doesn't belong to the PRC and never has. And yeah, war is pretty violent, and threatening violence for speaking the truth (that Taiwan is an independent country) is pretty psychopathic. If the PRC were a person, it would be the one that savagely beat everyone who said it didn't love it. Which is probably why people in places like Hong Kong and Taiwan want nothing to do with it. Which, ultimately, is the most important thing. You're right, it's not about definitions and suchlike. The people of the independent country known as Taiwan don't want to be part of the PRC. They don't want to be governed by the CCP (and we can just have a big, cynical laugh about promises of one country two systems) And they've had the opportunity to speak on this on a regular basis. Which is far more than you can say for the "People's" Republic of China.
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  34. Was it the new York times that was banned there for reporting on it?
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  35.  Papyrus Okagbue  >>You have completely ignore the facts that the West is launching a massive Sinophobic campaign against China<< I'm sure all this happened in a vacuum, right? There were no negative actions from the CCP that led to this pushback against the PRC. TO say it's anti-Chinese is wrong, though. I've seen no indication in the West that there's any issue with the Republic of China, Hong Kong, Macau or Singaporean Chinese. >>Maybe the Firewall has shield you from knowing the amount of hates they launched against China.<< If he's here, he's not being 'shielded' by the firewall. >>What the Chinese govt did is a responsive action against foreign hate and it is completely normal. << Funny how all of the PRC's neighbours are against it. This isn't just the West, this is pretty much every country that has dealings with the PRC. It's almost like there's a pattern. What countries, particularly countries neighbouring China can you name that would ally with the PRC if push came to shove against the US?
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  36.  Don ta  >>Robert Bray china has no allies nor friends << Well that's not entirely true. There's North Korea, then there's North Korea. Also, you can't forget about North Korea.
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  37.  @m2heavyindustries378  Idioms. over-egg the pudding. ​used to say that you think somebody has done more than is necessary, or has added unnecessary details to make something seem better or worse than it really is. If you're telling lies, keep it simple—never over-egg the pudding. In this case, trying to make it obviously satirical.
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  38.  @rubyzheng9410  really? In the west we have governments fall all the time. I've been through... I guess five changes of government in my own country. Not counting prime ministers alone. Never once had what you're describing though. But then again, we have a way of doing it peacefully. What happens when the CCP falls?
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  39.  @lithunoisan  the boundary between Heliongjang province and Vladivostok seems like it might be more of a historical artefact with no modern relevance soon enough
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  40.  @jessicaguo8104  Under your rules, I can judge easily. I'm living in HK. Tomorrow night I'll be able to walk two minutes down the road to see the latest protest. It's very easy to see why they're currently protesting. So as someone who has spent plenty of time in China, knows HK's history, and actually lives in the middle of what's happening, I'd like to invite Tom to judge away!
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  41.  @Mr2tails  are two things that aren't required for independence from a country that has always been independent.
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  42.  @JM-nt5ex  it's a completely weird argument. The common name for the Republic of China is Taiwan. ROC is Taiwan. So.... They're dependent on who, exactly? A text string? It's really weird. It's like.... Saying Spain isn't independent because it's part of the kingdom of Spain which claims Gibraltar.
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  43. A tragedy? For him, an evening's entertainment.
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  44.  @TheNewGreenIsBlue  five, ten years ago I was telling people that I'm Australian. I'm used to being called racist. They'll need to come up with something new. They never did.
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  45.  @chengchiu957  it's sad that the CCP has put you in a situation where you view your own (unelected) govt as the nicer rapist.
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  46.  @jonathanlee5520  if that post confuses you, then you've got bigger problems. Which is consistent with your last ranting post.
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  47.  @jonathanlee5520  thank you for being a prime example of the sort of barrel scraping the CCP needs to rely on when looking for supporters. It doesn't matter if you don't understand. If you did, you wouldn't be the wonderful example that you are.
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  48.  @LumocolorARTnr1319  ignoring that this stuff just travels easier in winter. They prefer cooler, dryer air. Kind of makes you realise that the world putting its major social events in winter has a few issues.
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  49. I've got limitless faith in the CCP's ability to make a bad situation worse
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  50. ​ @ZincFold >>I'm not Chinese although I travel to China and Hong Kong often for business. I am from Europe. << Sure you are ;-) >>To be frank, I'm not here to spoon feed you information that can easily be looked up by a 5 year old. << Excuses >>You brought it up, I merely pointed out it had flaws. Now if you can't be half arsed to look it up yourself I'm glad I didn't wasted my time spoon feeding you.<< I brought it up. You dismissed it without any justification you felt you could articulare. You seem to have plenty of energy to add in your own random bollocks :-) >>the vast majority of Hong Kongers remain loyal to China.<< From the last free(ish) election results and the subsequent reaction from the govt (rewriting the rules to make it impossible for them to lose, rather than very difficult) this is a blatant lie. >>The recent protests were the noisy minority.<< LOL I watched them go past my office window for hour after hour. Massive, massive amounts of them. By contrast, the average pro govt crowd could fit into a minivan. >>Because Hong Kong is just a city on a small island, it is highly reliant on the mainland for its energy, food and water. Even if China allowed Hong Kong independence they wouldn't last a week on their own for lack of basic necessities.<< That and the CCP's willingness to blockade one of their own cities. With the exception of water, they managed just fine for over a century. The only reason they'd fail as an independent country is because the CCP would put effort into making sure they failed. @Lei Fang >>Human Development index is a pathetic pro American and pro democracy tool with WESTERN standards. It doesn't represent reality. The USA has trash living standards and same goes for tonnes of other democracies. << yawn a bunch of vagueness without any specifics. The closest you've come to an argument is that living standards aren't perfect for everybody. >>The inferior island province of Taiwan is a classic example of a small overrated island that is easy to control due to its tiny size, so the form of governance doesn't matter too much<< And yet it remains uncontrolled. Despite the CCP's bluster. >>But Singapore is the country that's most similar to China,<< A capitalist country with freedom of speech and some democracy (They're jerks to their opposition. Not murderers) >>and Singapore is 100x more advanced than Taiwan province and all other democracies<< It's nice, but it really isn't that much more advanced. >>And no, Singapore is not a liberal western style democracy<< The structures are there. It's a very different place to the PRC.
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