Comments by "Barry On" (@barryon8706) on "Nate The Lawyer"
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@anthonym840 I'd caution against some of that reasoning. There are probably some men given shorter sentences than some women. I'm more comfortable with averages.
But that said, I'd say that the legal system is biased probably in favor of women, even with everything else being equal.
I'd also say it's probably biased in favor of Whites over Blacks; those sentencing statistics show similar bias, though that could also be wholly or partially due to priors. Blacks commit more serious crimes than Whites, just as men commit more serious crimes than women.
Both the right and left object to this, but to different aspects, which is both funny and sad.
I'd be fine with more standardized sentencing, with judges individual preferences removed. Give each crime a grade, factor in all the priors, and arrive at a sentence with a formula that's hopefully simpler than the tax code. For people like myself who value equal treatment over equal outcome, that would be worlds better.
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@anthonym840 Yes, but I can still object to one kind of reasoning you used, even if I support the conclusion. If I say that I know rain exists because elves tell me so, I'm very likely wrong about the elves but I'm right about the rain.
You said, "As weve seen, men have served longer for the same crime, even with no prior convictions."
That's true, but in and of itself it doesn't matter much, and I wanted to point it out because I've seen well-meaning people get trapped by that kind of thinking.
For an example, we see times when Blacks get shot by cops and Whites don't, and some people will look at times Whites didn't get shot and say, "If he'd been Black, cops would have shot him."
But we also see times when Whites get shot and times that Blacks don't. There are a lot of police encounters across the country in cases where a cop could reasonably shoot someone or not.
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1) Justified. Easily.
2) Not justified. He was a crazy man with a knife, but he wasn't threatening anyone. I can understand a cop's desire not to let a crazy man with a knife get away, but them's the breaks.
3) Justified. Despite repeated warnings, she'd closed to a distance where a quick dash could get those scissors through his throat.
4) Justified, for the same reason as #3.
It's sad when this happens to the mentally unstable, but if it comes to killing them or putting a cop at immediate risk of death or serious injury, the cop has a right to kill in order to save his own life.
In fact, cop or not, I would have given any citizen with a legal right to possess a firearm the same verdict. That might not hold for those states with a duty to retreat, but I cannot expect law enforcement to just come back the next day and hope the person is feeling more cooperative, especially in case #4 where, if I understand correctly, the decedent had been battering someone.
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