Comments by "red. river65" (@red.river6575) on "Johnny Harris"
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@Dhksksjjsjjs Why would people from what is today Mexico want to be in what is today the United States want to in the US today. Had colonization not happened there would have been the Apache, Navajo, Yaqui, Comanch, Ute and a host of Indians from California to Florida to contend with. Indians were warriors , hated each other and if the northern tribes fought amongst each other, killing, slaving, and taking away resources they sure as heck would fight off those from the very distant south. The Comanche tore Chihuahua to pieces once upon a time... And Mexico after independence never conquered the SW Indians. In fact the SW Indians never did accept Mexico in their lands... Utopia, it's all in the mind so dream on... Conquest happens and life goes on. And it's past time Mexicans start making a better nation for their people instead of looking north. Show the United States you can do it instead of crying over conquest.. Mexico claimed the SW for only 25 years, big deal. If Spain had not abdicated the SW, Mexico would never have claimed the territories. Give Mexico an inch on SW history and they take a mile. But it's not Mexico, it's some Mexican factions that make all the senseless noise..
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@13treces blah, blah, blah. My response was much more intelligent than yours "dump as your brain you mean?" However my comment did not deminish any one. My comment just supported what Anonymous Duck commented on, who is right on; Mexico was conquered, the United States apologizes for nothing, and the area (CA, NM, TX) be a complete dump if still part of Mexico. That's history as it happened. A banana republic is what it would be , just like Mexico, had the United States not conquered the entirety of Mexico, given land back to Mexico, payed Mexico $15,000,000 for annexed land. All negotiated under a Treaty.
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@13treces I'm not getting into the BR political science here, but BR has bee applied to all of Latin America for impoverished countries with exploitive goverenment functioning poorly for it's citizens while benefiting powers that be, even though it's origins were applied to exploitation of bananas and such by other countries. I'm no expert, but I'm neither illiterate or am I ignorant of SW history. Or am I trying to compensate by discrediting others as the subject was not individuals but a country, which as Trump says, sends us it's worst. Believe me, I wish for Mexico to develop it's citizens for a better life, after all were are living beings with needs in this world. And am aware and satisfied that Mexico has come a long way as I hold nothing against Mexicans and have good Mexican immigrant friends. Except for those who corruptly abuse our borders, fraudulently use our US system, parents who abuse their children, putting them in the hands of smugglers with no guarantees for their lives. If I offended you, sorry about that, we after all do live in an angry world because of corrupt goverenments, the USA included.
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@billdipperly1573 you must be a liberal snow flake. Stolen lands is just to get attention for established norm of conquest to try to justify oppression through loss of land. Nothing more than history revsion indoctrination. Mexico knew what it was getting into, fought the fight, executed Americans as was standard back in the day, the war in their home court and outnumbered the Americans. Mexico is a western nation established itself as such -polically, independence, it's constitution, it's name, Estados Unidos Mexicanos. It accepted western norms - war, conquest, a Treaty, peace, land purchase, change of borders. It's is Mexican factions such as Chicano movements, not Mexico, promoting hate and stolen lands.
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It's almost impossible to understand Mexico and U.S. SW history without a good understanding that what is today Mexico since 1824 was territories claimed by Spain, to become part of New Spain. New Spain was many territories claimed in the continent early in the 1500s starting with Vera Cruz moving into Tenichitlan, renamed Mexico City by Spain, named after the Mexica Aztec whose territory was limited to the valley of Mexico (or Aztec) in the Mexico City area. Spains exploration and territorial claims took about 50 years by the time Spain opened the way to the very distant north reaching California and tierras nuevas or new lands of New Mexico/ Arizona, Texas by approx. 1550. Simultaneously the same was occurring in Florida and the Mississippi areas, more territories for New Spain. The population in New Spain, both Spanish and Indian identified the areas by location which had either Spanish or Indigeniuos names as there was no Mexico or Mexican until 300 years after Spains arrival on the American continent. Maps of New Spain prior to 1821 do not chart a nation of Mexico. The maps chart separate New Spain territories. During this era "Mexico" can take no credit for any borders because it did not exist. The political climate was Spains goverenment and rule. Mexico City was prominent because of Spains viceroy governing for the European King from this particular territory, ruling all of New Spain -- California to Florida, Cuba, Central America, today's Mexico, Caribbeans, Philippines plus more. Historians and writters confuse history by referring to New Spain as Mexico, leaving the impression that Mexico is an ancient nation, when in fact, the mestizo nation of 1824, adopted the name Mexico from the Spanish who had 300 years earlier named the city for the Mexica. Mexico is many indigeniuos tribes, not only Aztec. The United States created the first nation in America in 1776, followed by Latin America and Canada's creating their own nations after independence from the motherland. Until folks understand this, they will continue to assume instead of understand the making of American continent. America was vast lands to become territories by the European claimant, be it Spain, France, or Great Britain who were wary of the other protecting their claims.
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Gerri577 If you're referring to those Mexican American Chicano Study professors, they are not scholars and are one of the Mexican factions pushing stolen lands. Facts are that all the north American continent was different nomadic Native American enemy tribes and were where they happened to be when the European found them. The lands were defined as territories by Europeans and each European country who were the first to explore the territory claimed it for their European country as historical events went along -- discovery, claims, wars, land disputes, treaties, purchases, border changes, independence, more claims, nationalism, more wars, conquest, negotiations, more border changes; regardless of which side of the border your historical preference is, it's basically the same.
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Similar situations in New Mexico and California, except that Americans were not provided land grants as in Texas by the young Mexican gov of 1824. During the Spanish Colonial Period all of these territories were inclusive of Spanish land grants by colonization and later American Anglo settled in NM and CA before Mexican independence followed by Republic of Mexico officials heading north to claim the territories, removing Spains flag, replaced by the Mexican flag. These territories did not fight for Mexican independence or were involved in the political theater between New Spain and Spain. After independence, all settlers, Spanish and Anglo were mandated Mexican citizenship--Mexicans . The Indian tribes to these lands inherently knew they were not Mexican, knowing their lands were not Mexico. History, clearly recorded the volumns of Spanish Period approx 250 years, documented by the Spanish government; Mexican and American gov and historians recorded the Mexican Period of 25 years and the US Territorial Period during which all citizens became American. Interesting neither the Spanish or Indian are Mexican American as they never came from Mexico, they had been in the SW before Mexico ever existed, as CA and SW predate Mexico. Immigrant Mexican American Chicano Studies and Marxist agendas promote history revision.
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