Comments by "Andy Dee" (@AndyViant) on "JayzTwoCents"
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400f specs are actually pretty good gaming balance as far as bang for buck. Have been since the 8400.
Really the Intel xx400's run against the AMD 600's, the Intel xx600 runs against the AMD 600X, the Intel xx700 runs against the AMD 700X and both AMD and Intel 900's run against each other.
Historically it was more that Intel 700's ran against the AMD 800's and the Intel K sku 600's ran against the AMD 700X, but AMD pulled the pin on those matchups a bit with no 7800's, and also holding out so long on the non x variants (as well as the G, 300 and 100 variants) whilst they had such a huge advantage and basically milked customers to buy a 7600X. Not cool, AMD. That's where the xx100 Intel has honestly had a good run as a budget CPU since the 10105F.
The 600k (or 600kf) is kind of where "sensible" mostly gaming performance ends and the priority becomes more cores and clock speeds at the cost of enormous energy usage and running costs. Of course, the AMD 7600X regularly trounced the 600 class intels.
Most games just don't run enough threads to be able to use more than the Intel 13600k or the AMD 7600X or 7700X can use. That's why we actually saw in many cases lower gaming performance with the 7950X3D than the plain old 7700X.
The 7800X3D is basically a 7700X with VCache not really a higher end CPU. There is no 7800x in the AMD lineup, unlike the 5800X which was slammed for being an overpriced 5700X, at least until the 5800X3D came along..
The X950 is just AMD showing off. Those things are more a high end workstation than a desktop CPU, and unless you're a sponsered twich gamer or a heavy multasking renderer probably irrelevant to buyers. Doesn't stop them being bought for reasons of pure swag.
If you're thinking I'm an AMD fanboy I am running an 11400f, btw. At the time it was just far better bang for buck.
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Ridiculously, the US$650 Tuf ASUS F15 laptop has an Aussie Amazon price of A$1499 for the 10300/1650 version.
On current exchange rates as a A$940 laptop this would be a great deal. At $1499, well... you can see how much you're getting taken for a ride.
AMD 4600H version a far more reasonable A$1160.
I picked up a similar spec MSI 10500/1650 about a year ago for $999 Australian Dollarydoos. They're now available as an 11400/1650 for similar pricing. A slightly higher spec 144 Hz one was available but it was about $500 extra at the time, but came with twice the memory and twice the SSD space. I upgraded both and called it good enough.
I think mine is only a 75hz screen though, so kind of regret it. But how frequently you can actually get up into the 144Hz range on a budget gaming laptop is up to you... you'd have to be running awfully low settings to achieve that and for mobile gaming performance my 4g wifi is usually by far my biggest limitation.
Funny thing is in Australia, Amazon prices for most of this kind of stuff are 50-100% higher than you can get them from a brick and mortar store, or if they're price competitive they are almost always a far inferior product being dumped on the lazy or gullible.
Right now a Gigabyte G5 or G7 is under $1200 Dollarydoos with a 11400H and RTX 3050 and 144Hz panel. You can get the A series versions with the AMD mobile CPU normally a few hundred cheaper. The ASUS TUF F15 can be got with a 12700 and 3050 for $1449 from the same brick and mortar dealer who will do shipping.
The very laptop you've listed here is basically the same price on Aussie Amazon as the Gigabyte G5 with 3060 and 12500H (G5 KE-52DE213SD) which should absolutely romp all over it. 12500 vs 10300, and 3060 vs 1650, for the same price? Game over.
That would be my personal recommendations to anyone looking to buy a cheap gaming laptop downunder right now. If you want the TUF, as reviewed here by Jay, go to another retailer, and you can get a much higher spec one cheaper. If you HAVE to buy off Amazon for whatever reason, get the Gigabyte with the 12500/3060.
A reminder to make sure you do your research, people, as what's cheap over there may not be cheap in your market.
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I've been super stable from day dot. 2600 on MSI B350 Gaming Pro, first with a 1060 6GB and now 2070 Super (bought just at the start of the crisis).
The only thing though is overclocking. I got a really good stable overclock with my first memory, but had to manually overclock it. ryzen Master did all sorts of strangeness. then when I changed Memory to 3200 Ripjaws V I struggled to get it to clock up to 3200, even though it was on the support list. Yet the previous team 2133 ran happily at 2667, even 2866, anyway, but I struggled to get the supposedly much better 3200 to run more than 2933.
Later bios updates fixed that. XMP profiles are erm... messed up.
Then when I changed coolers to a far better one I lost my overclock profile, even though it was saved it was just gone. Manually tried to reinstate it, just gone. Set the same settings, it wouldn't take them. Eventually found a stable slightly higher overclock, but it was serious work to get it.
Why is it harder to overclock with better quality components, AMD? WHYYYYYYY?
Anyway, I've tossed up upgrading, was gonna go 3600, then 3800X, or maybe XT or whatever. but I'm maxed out 1440p 144 fps for the games I play, so what would be the point.
Although if someone wants to buy me 1060, b350, 2600 and that team memory I can probably justify a 5600X or 3700X build.
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It seems strange that they dedicated a slide on 1060 and 1660 but I think the point they're trying to make is that the B580 is basically targeting the market space that the 1060 and 1660 once occupied, and for that kind of user the time to upgrade is definitely now, and that the B580 is that kind of generational jump they need at around the same price point those other cards originally cost.
Although it would have made more sense to include the 2060 6gb card in there too, or instead of the 1660 Super, which was technically a first gen ray tracing card. The B580 should monster that even with raytracing enabled, based on vram alone.
Realistically, no one is going from a 3060 Ti or 6600XT to an Arc 580. The performance gains are too minimal to justify the expense.
The target for these cards is upgrades from 10 series, 16 series or 20 series Nvidia, or new builds who were looking at 6600, 7600 or 4060 cards.
It looks promising for US$249 - not of any use to me, since I'm well above that performance tier already. I hope they follow up with a B770 card in the new year. If it gets near 4070Ti Super raster and raytracing I'll be interested.
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i5 or equivalent AMD, 6 or 8 cores, ddr4, 3070 non ti LHR or 3080 / 6900xt, decent gen 4 ssd
For budget i3 or 5600 AMD, 6 core, ddr4, 3070 or 6700xt, base end gen 4 ssd.
For anything above that, please, blow the money you can afford and feed the second hand market.
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