Comments by "Luredreier" (@Luredreier) on "TLDR News EU"
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@리주민 What I describe has a completely different goal from what you're talking about.
The increased power to rural areas I'm talking about is there to ensure that if farmers make up 8% of the population they will have more then 8% of the seats in the parliament, not to compensate for some lower likelyhood of a farmer to get into parliament then their percentage of the population would indicate.
The idea here being that if one profession makes up 30% of the population they're already represented so you don't need more of them but can have less of them then what their percentage of the population actually is and still have their point of view being represented while also get more diversity.
For reference farmers and woodsmen (woodcutters etc) combined make up 2,7% of the population in Norway.
And in 2019 there was 11 048 fishermen in Norway out of a population of 5 million, these 11 k people as well as some fish farmers together bring in 21,6 billion NOK or about 2,4 billion USD pr year in revenue.
As you can imagine that's a profession well worth maintaining as far as our economy and food security is concerned.
Fishermen would according to these numbers make up about 0,2% of our population.
In the period 2013-2017 8 parliamentarians 5,4% of the parlimentarians in Norway where from a primary industry of some kind, so farming, fishing, cutting wood, mining etc, that is extracting resources and not refining them etc.
Looking at the numbers it looks like about 3% of the population is from primary industries (all of the ones I mentioned) in 2020 (a lot of people in the oil industry lost their jobs due to the fall in oil prices during the corona virus) I don't have any numbers from 2013-2017 for that.
But as you can see they are intentionally slightly overrepresentated.
The effect you're looking for of people from different professions having a chance to become parliamentarians that's equal to their professions share of the population comes naturally if you have a sufficiently egalitarian society.
But that's not our goal here.
Instead we're trying to increase the share of power of professions that are vital to the nation.
After all, 5,4% of parliamentarians in that period was still just 8 of them so it's not like there was one represented every single year.
Most professions won't be represented all years.
But these are important enough for us that we want them included in our political debate every year even if their share of the population on its own doesn't justify that.
You could theoretically do something like setting of a seat that will always go to a farmer for instance and get a similar result I guess...
But again that's not really the goal here.
The goal is for people who are too far away from the population centers to really interact with the part of the population that makes up the majority of it to get indirect power to have more of a say.
It wouldn't help much with a farmer who works right next to a major city to get in that way.
Those live under completely different terms and might be favored in local politics but not at a national level.
At a national level we're after the people further afield, both farmers and others.
Including for instance people employed by the state in rural areas and dealing with the logistical problems of rural areas for instance.
And so one and so forth.
A doctor in a rural hospital, a ferryman or farmer or fisherman or local route pilot of a small plane etc.
All of them.
Because living in a rural area is different from living somewhere urban.
So it's not about trying to correct flaws of the electoral system, it's intentionally ceding power to a different region in order to ensure that more different views are represented.
The only profession based thing that is similar that I can think about is when some countries require military officers to be a part of the goverment or parliament.
Something that might be "justified" due to a dangerous military status with a lot of enemies surrounding a country.
If farmers shrink in numbers in Norway they will lose relative power in our parliament, but it doesn't change that rural areas are overrepresented in our parliament.
One compensating feature we have for this kind of thing is leveling seats.
Where one representative from each electoral circle is distributed based on the overall popularity of the parties in the country so if one party should have gotten 30 seats based on their national population but only get 28 from the different electoral circles they might get 2 leveling seats or if they had 0 seats locally because they're just not poplare enough in any one place but are really populare overall just spread out they might get 2-3 leveling seats etc (although I can't really remember any leveling seats being allocated without a party having 3-4 seats already, in part due to the requirement of having 4% of the popular vote to qualify for leveling seats)
This effect means that the opinion of urban voters are not underrepresented, proportionally in the makeup of the parliament but more of the actual representatives are from rural areas.
So you might be from a rural area and join a political party and get elected into the parliament by voters in a urban area due to your party allegiance.
Although you're more likely to be put in there by rural voters if you're from a rural area.
Our electoral system does have some weird artifacts sometimes.
But on the whole it works well.
Now, in a different system where you are less likely to get political power if you're from a profession then what its share of the population would suggest for whatever reason then yes, I guess your system might make sense.
It's just that, honestly there's better ways of achieving that...
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