Comments by "Patrick Cleburne" (@patrickcleburneuczjsxpmp9558) on "PragerU"
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@jaranarm Subjugation was the only goal the North claimed.
"...this war is not waged... for any purpose... of overthrowing or interfering with the rights or established institutions of those States [i.e. in any way "freeing the South," as you put it], but to defend and maintain the supremacy of the Constitution and to preserve the Union [i.e. subjugating the southern states (and the people of the northern states along with them)]...]
As Joshua Blanchard wrote in The Liberator in March of 1861, "The success of this compulsory measure, establishing the character of our national government as one maintained by coercion, and not by consent, would be an awful apostacy, a retrogression into the barbarous maxims of European domination, cemented in blood; an utter failure of the first magnificent experiment of popular government, the the exultation of tyrants, the disgrace of our land, the despair of all the friends of freedom in the world."
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@jaranarm Couldn't wait for the Union army to arrive? Who are you talking about? Slaves? The people that in subsequent interviews said things like...
"The worst time we ever had was when the Yankee men come thru. We had heard they was coming and the missus tell us to put on a big pot of peas to cook, so we put some white peas in a big pot and put a whole ham in it, so that we’d have plenty for the Yankees to eat. Then when they come, they kicked the pot over and the peas went one way and the ham another. The Yankees destroyed almost everything we had."
"The Yankees come. First thing they look for was money. They put a pistol right in my forehead and say: ‘I got to have your money, where is it?’ There was a gal, Caroline, who had some money; they took it away from her. They took the geese, the chickens and all that was worth taking off the place, stripped it. Took all the meat out the smoke-house, corn out the crib, cattle out the pasture, burnt the gin-house and cotton. When they left, they shot some cows and hogs and left them lying right there. There was a awful smell round there for weeks after."
"Oh, they was the worst people there ever was, Pa say. Took all the hams and shoulders out the smokehouse and like I tell you, what they never carried off, they made a scaffold and burned it up. Lord, have mercy, I hopes I ain’t going never have to meet no Yankees."
"When the Yankees come, they went through the big house, tore up everything, ripped open the feather beds and cotton mattresses, searching for money and jewels. Then they had us slaves catch the chickens, flung open the smoke-house, take the meat, meal, flour, and put them in a four-horse wagon and went on down to Longtown. Them was scandalous days, boss! I hope never to see the likes of them times with these old eyes again."
"No ma’am, I never seed Sherman but I seed some of his soldiers. That’s the time I run off in the wood and not a soul knowed where I was until the dust had done settled in the big road."
"When the Yankees come they took off all they couldn’t eat or burn, but don’t let’s talk about that. Maybe if our folks had beat them and get up into their country our folks would have done just like they did. Who knows?"
"Does I remembers the Yankees? Yes sir, I remember when they come. It was cold weather, February, now that I think of it. Oh, the sights of them days. They camp all around up at Mt. Zion College and stable their horses in one of the rooms. They gallop here and yonder and burn the Episcopal Church on Sunday morning. A holy war they called it, but they and Wheeler’s men was a holy terror to this part of the world, as naked and hungry as they left it."
"I just can remember the Yankees. Don’t remember that they was so bad. You know they say even the devil ain’t as black as he is painted. The Yankees did take off all the mules, cows, hogs, and sheep, and ransack the smoke-house, but they never burnt a thing at our place. Folks wonder at that. Some say it was because General Bratton was a high degree Mason."
"I remember that day just as good as it had been dis day right here. Oh, my God, them Yankees never bring nothing but trouble and destructiveness when they come here, child."
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@TheStapleGunKid "Most of the most famous and influential abolitionists of the day [from the North] supported the Union..."
It's no big surprise that some abolitionists in the North would support their own states in a war, especially when people that were opposing the war were being thrown in prison with no access to the courts by the thousands, critical newspapers were being shut down by the army... Nor is it any surprise that some abolitionists would have trouble defending slave states regardless of the reasons for the war. Why do you act as if it would be? The fact remains that the historical record shows even multiple northern abolitionists at the time defended the South's right to secede and condemned the North's part in the war. Certainly many more abolitionists that weren't writing newspaper articles, books, etc. did, too. And that's the extreme: even Northerners and abolitionists! That's to say nothing of all the Northerners that weren't full-fledged abolitionists, Southerners that didn't especially care about slavery, people outside the North and the South (from England, France, etc.), people that were born after the war and after slavery was abolished... The claim in the opening comment is completely absurd. And you know it.
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