Comments by "Historia, Magistra Vitae" (@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.) on "TLDR News EU" channel.

  1.  @wedjet  " “Fascism's extreme authoritarianism and nationalism often manifest as a belief in racial purity or a master race, usually blended with some variant of racism or discrimination against a demonized "Other", such as Jews, homosexuals, ethnic minorities, or immigrants. These ideas have motivated fascist regimes to commit massacres, forced sterilizations, deportations, and genocides.”" This is the definition of National Socialism, not Fascism. They were two different ideologies.
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  2.  @wedjet  "Nazism is a subset of Fascism." Wrong. National Socialism wasn't a Neo-Fascist movement. It was its own movement, known as National Socialism. Both ideologies were a subset of the 3rd position though.
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  3.  @wedjet  : "A simple search would tell you "Nazism is a form of fascism," with at least 4 references." a simple search would tell you that the Earth is flat as well. I highly suggest not taking everything what people say online seriously, but to go and actually read some history regarding this topic. Again, Nazism had nothing to do with Fascism whatsoever. They were fundamentally different ideologies. For a book recommendation, I personally suggest "Fascism: An Informal Introduction to Its Theory and Practice" by Renzo De Felice.
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  4.  @d.b.2215  : Both were totalitarian Far-Left, socialist 3rd position ideologies, and they came from the belief that the "Stateless and Classless society" Communism calls for after its dictatorship cannot achieve Socialism, and that only the State can properly organize a Socialist Society. Go read some history; Fascism; - "La Dottrina Del Fascismo / the Doctrine of Fascism", by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile - "Che cosa è il Fascismo: Discorsi e polemiche / Origins and Doctrine of Fascism", by Giovanni Gentile - "the Philosophy of Fascism", by Mario Palmieri - "Fascism: An Informal Introduction to Its Theory and Practice", by Renzo De Felice - "Mussolini's Intellectuals", by A. James Gregor - "La Camera dei Fasci e delle Corporazioni", by Rabaglietti Giuseppe & Sergio Panunzio - "Teoria generale dello Stato Fascista", by Sergio Panunzio National Socialism; - "Mein Kampf" by Hitler - "Hitler's National Socialism" by Rainer Zitelmann - "the Vampire Economy" by Günter Reimann - "Omnipotent Government: The Rise of the Total State and Total War" by Ludwig Von Mises - "Hitler's True Believers" by Robert Gellately - "The Cause of Hitler's Germany" by Leonard Peikoff
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  5.  @minestar2247  "it was so far right that it had mass support from company holders, old nobles, and general german elites," The fact that the some entrepreneurs, faced with the alternative of Marxism or Nazism, chose the latter, does not require any further explanation. They preferred to live as shop managers under Hitler than to be "liquidated" as "bourgeois" by Marxists. They don't like to be killed any more than other people do.
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  6.  @minestar2247  "the german ceos still had their capital during the whole war, " Except those "CEOs" were party members.
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  7.  @minestar2247  "they also burned books about gay people, making them right wing." Nothing to do with Right wing whatsoever.
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  8.  @minestar2247  "germany didn't have state ownership of the means of production" They had State control over the means of production, distribution and exchange of goods via DAF. Also the State decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid. This is what we call a Command economy nowadays.
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  9.  @minestar2247  "they just had a partnership with the industrialists and companies that helped them get to the government in the first place" There was no partnership. There was only subjugation. They even coined a word for this, "Gleichschaltung", a system of totalitarian control and coordination over all aspects of German society from the economy and trade associations to the media, culture and education. "I will tolerate no opposition. We recognize only subordination – authority downwards and responsibility upwards. You just tell the German bourgeoisie that I shall be finished with them far quicker than I shall with Marxism... When once the conservative forces in Germany realize that only I and my party can win the German proletariat over to the State and that no parliamentary games can be played with Marxist parties, then Germany will be saved for all time, then we can found a German Peoples State. .." - Hitler's interview with Richard Breiting, 1931, published in Edouard Calic,
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  10. There are no Far-Right movements in mainstream Nordic politics though, nor in Europe in general.
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  11.  @LeonClaesson  "The Far-Righ are way more racist. " Wrong. Far-Right isn't racist at all. People on the right believe that the best outcome for society is achieved when individual rights and civil liberties are paramount and the role — and especially the power — of the government is minimized.
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  12.  @LeonClaesson  "They want to kill or forcefully expel ethnic minorities from their countries." Nothing to do with Far-Right whatsoever.
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  13.  @LeonClaesson  "While the normal right mostly talk about tax cuts and law&order." Now this is part of the Far-Right, also the following; free market and laissez-faire economics and civil liberties under the rule of law, with special emphasis on individual autonomy, limited government, economic freedom, political freedom and freedom of speech. Case and point, see Javier Milei.
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  14.  @LeonClaesson  "Wrong. The far-right is racist. " Wrong. They are not. Again, People on the right believe that the best outcome for society is achieved when individual rights and civil liberties are paramount and the role — and especially the power — of the government is minimized.
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  15.  @LeonClaesson  "Fascists (the far-right) " Wrong. Fascism was a totalitarian Far-Left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on National Syndicalism. Nothing to do with Right wing of any kind.
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  16.  @LeonClaesson  "You seem to confuse the right with liberalism. " Liberalism is a Far-Right ideology in the modern political spectrum, Classical Liberalism especially.
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  17.  @LeonClaesson  "Fascism = An ideology which belive in a strong state that can preserve the national identity and culture, through an ethnostate and strong military, with a capitalist economy. " Fascists had nothing to do with Capitalism. They very strictly anti-capitalists and their economy was based on socialism via Corporatism.
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  18.  @LeonClaesson  "When I said "far-right" i meant fascism which is a far-right ideology since they belive in strong hierarchies." Again, Fascism had nothing to do with Far-Right nor Right wing of any kind. It was a socialist Far-Left ideology, a competitor to Marxism.
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  19.  @LeonClaesson  "The Right = Ideologies which advocate for a system with a lot of strong hierarchies." Wrong. Every single political ideology advocates for hierarchies. Some more, some less. Left/Right has nothing to do with hierarchies.
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  20.  @LeonClaesson  "Liberalism is the status quo." Not exactly, at least how it was established by John Locke. In many countries the Government is too big, and has too much regulations and influence over the economy, and also pushes various different progressive or religious agendas. Liberalism is only possible under a Night watchman state.
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  21.  @LeonClaesson  "and we live under a free-market capitalist economy." No, we most certainly do not. There is no country in the world that has Free Market Capitalism. Every single modern day country has a Mixed economy, and are closer to Social-Democracy if anything. Free Market Capitalism means that the Government plays no part in the economics, including regulations, which is not happening.
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  22.  @LeonClaesson  "You can have a mixed economy and free market capitalism at the same time." No, you cannot. That is why it is called a Free Market in the fist place i.e. free from government intervention. Free market economies are specifically defined by a lack of government intervention and regulation. In modern times, no country runs purely under free market principles. Modern democracies impose regulations regarding product safety, working conditions, pollution standards, and other matters that touch on people at work and at home.
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  23.  @LeonClaesson  " Its not like the far-left wants a classless, moneyless and stateless society, aka a society freed from hierachies." Communism is not free from hierarchies. You will eventually have some kind of collective entity, informing the workers what they are supposed to produce and how much, i.e. central planners. Otherwise the workers cannot produce on the basis of need, if they do not even know who needs what, where and how much.
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  24.  @LeonClaesson  "Yes, fascism, the ideology which advocates for a moneyless, classless and stateless society. " They did not advocate for Communism.
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  25.  @LeonClaesson  "Its not like their entire ideology is based around having an extremely strict class system" They didn't. They specifically rejected the notion of "class struggle" and advocated for class collaboration, where everyone is equal under the iron boot of the Fascist state.
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  26.  @LeonClaesson  "Its not like they killed far-leftists or anything. " Just like the Bolshevik did, during and after the October Revolution... and for the same reason; political rivalry.
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  27.  @LeonClaesson  "I would honestly not be suprised if you said that the nazis loved jews at this point." I haven't even talked about National Socialism in this conversation. We have been talking about Fascism. Two different ideologies.
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  28.  @LeonClaesson  "Wow. You have a very special way of seing politics." If the Far-Left is characterized by socialism and collectivism in general, then logic dictates, that the Far-Right is characterized by capitalism and individualism respectively. Therefore, people on the right believe that the best outcome for society is achieved when individual rights and civil liberties are paramount (individualism) and the role — and especially the power — of the government is minimized.
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  29.  @LeonClaesson  "Fascism is an umbrella term for several ideologies, including National Socialsim." Wrong. The umbrella term you are looking for, is called the 3rd position. Fascism was a very specific ideology based on Hegelian philosophy and National Syndicalism.
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  30.  @LeonClaesson  : From the founders of said ideology themselves.
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  31.  @LeonClaesson  : Mussolini has never said such a thing. Both founders of the ideology have said Fascism being strictly a socialist ideology, and on the contrary, Mussolini later said Fascism being from the Left... and so did Neo-Fascists also, such as Oswald Mosley.
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  32. Wrong. On the contrary, socialism is why Europe is in this mess to begin with.
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  33. "the Nordic countries went to the extreme right," Extreme right doesn't exist anywhere.
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  34. "but the right started dismantling the welfare state, social security system and the Nordic social democracy in order to push the Nordic countries in the direction of purer capitalism based on the idea of ​​a nightwatch state. " There is no mainstream political party in whole Europe who would be in favor of Liberalism such as this. One can only dream, that one day people realize that this is the only way to make a sustainable society.
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  35. "They’re a far-rig ht extre mist party," Wrong. Extr eme right wi ng would be Anarcho-Capita lism. There is no f ar-rig ht nor extre me right of any kind in Finl and.
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  36.  @Drkon6  " because deregulation and lowering taxes on the rich doesn't cause economic crashes or anything. " It doesn't cause economic crash, but it might crash the socialistic "welfare state" which relies on stealing people's money to maintain the whole infrastructure.
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  37. There is no Far-Right in France.
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  38. Fascists were Far-Leftists tho.
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  39. Almost none of the are "Radical right" or Right in the first place. If you want to see what the radical right is about, look no further than what Javier Milei is doing.
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  40. Nothing to do with Far-Right.
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  41. There is no Far-Right in Germany.
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  42.  @xiiir838  : Fascists were Far-Left socialists.
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  43.  @RedXlV  AfD is a Center-Right party. You have no clue about politics.
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  44. There is no "far-ri g ht" in Finl and ... also N azis w ere far-le ft socia lis ts.
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  45. @Teemustaja : Center-Right.
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  46. @Teemustaja : If the call themselves Fascists then yeah, my bad, not Center-Right ... in that case they would be Far-Left socialists, advocating for revolutionary National Syndicalism.
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  47.  @jeyna8243  : Then she cannot be a Fascist either.
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  48.  @jeyna8243  "Fascism isn't socialism, where did you get that." Wrong. It most certainly was, and that's a historical fact. It was a totalitarian far-left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on National Syndicalism which they adapted from a French Marxist no less, called Georges Sorel. It rejected individualism, capitalism, liberalism/democracy, and marxism. The means of production was organized by national worker syndicals (i.e. trade unions), and the guiding philosophy of the state was Actual Idealism. Fascism was an outgrowth of Sorellian Syndicalism, which itself was an outgrowth from Marxist socialism. The idea was that society would be consolidated (i.e., incorporated) into syndicates (in the Italian context, fascio/fasci) which would be regulated by and serve as organs for the state, or "embody" the state (corpus = body). The purpose was the centralization and synchronization of society under the state, as an end unto itself. To quote Mussolini's infamous aphorism: "All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state." As created by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile, Fascism comes from a belief that the "Stateless and Classless society" Communism calls for after its dictatorship cannot achieve Socialism, and that only the State can properly organize a Socialist Society. It cared about unity in a strong central government with society being brought together by syndicalist organizations obedient to the State.
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  49. There is no Far-Right in France.
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  50.  @AaronOkeanos  "1st target of any right-wing or authoritatarian movement ... control the information to prevent the truth and change perception in your favor." By privatizing the Government specifically looses the control of it. The first thing any authoritarian regime does is the opposite, i.e. nationalization and centralization of everything under the Government. You got things backward, buddy.
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