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BeastW hmmm... on the timeline of the great War the USSR and US entered the war within a couple months of each other. Without US support in the form.of Irplanes, tanks, trucks, artillery, ships, aviation fuel, food let alone financial support,, etc the sovs are defeated in 1942. Add to that the need for a diversion of German forces in 1943 to France, North Africa, Sicily, Italy the critical sov summer offensives of 43 and 44 dont happen. Add to that that by late 1945 the sovs, their population and economy were largely spent even after being propped up by the west. i don't seem to recall the massive sov army landing on Honshu. When did that happen? To invade the first of the Sakhalin Islands they had to borrow the US Navys LSTs and other landing craft and tanks and personnel to that island which was a short skip and a jump from the soviet mainland. Then they did not give those ships back until 1952. The US staged unprecedented amphibious and airborne invasions the like of which the sovs bungled when attempting their own versions.
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BeastW would be more fair to say Hollywood reflects an aspirational version of America. What does your country reflect?
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@tomlyons8440 sadly you really don't know that because there is zero evidence of the arms sale story, and much evidence disproving it. A more plausible reason is that Villa wanted to keep his fractious army of conscripts together by using his tactic employed previously at Hermosillo. Promise his sodados they could thieve and rape and murder once they have arrived on their objective. The villistas were in the process of doing just that when they got mowed down by the machine gun platoon.
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@shahnazkausar9646 of?
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@truthministries77 yeah, like the parts of Villa promising his bandidos that they could rape, thieve, and murder the residents of Hermosillo to encourage them in their attack. But then again the Mexican public school service probably doesn't teach that.
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@truthministries77 what justification is needed to thump a batch of thieving, murdering, rapists like the Villistas?
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@truthministries77 such as? I have reviewed the daily logs of the 13th Cavalry that were compiled each day by the staff duty officer from the time along the border. The Villistas could neither read nor right and did not show much inclination in the first place. So which side has the better paper trail?
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@voa23 are you talking of the history of the Plymouth colony? In that case it is essentially true. In fact the local tribe put the settlers on land that had been fallow due to disease wiping out the tribe that had been there prior to their arrival. Helps to study the history mon frer.
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@pavan923 more likely in keeping with his past history of attacks at Namiquipa, Agua Prieta, and Hermosillo he was using the attack on what he considered a lightly defended but likely lucrative target to solidify his control of his army. This theoretically would allow his troops to loot the town and especially the bank and the mayhem would also solidify his control. But like Hermosillo and Agua Prieta it did not work out that way. He never learned.....
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@fLowMage21 they are in hard copy at the national archives in Washington DC. You can read them in person, but will have to wear the cotton gloves to protest them from skin oils.
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@fLowMage21 still alive and kicking
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@gerardoresendiz6731 a more likely reason was he thought Columbus was a target that offered easy pickings to feed and pay his 500 man band of Villastas. He had no source of money to "pay" his troops or fund their logistics. The stores, bank, and hotel offered rich pickings. The military camp offered his troops remounts of well fed horses . And since he thought only a skeleton crew defended it they would brush them aside and take what they wanted. This fits Villas bandit pattern where he offered his troops the opportunity to rape pillage and murder following an attack that he had established in Namiquipa, hermosillo, Agua Prieta etc. This is a far.more likely rationale than some theoretical desire to claim coup on the US for past transgressions.
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@Chicano_pistolero yeah? How many pallets of 7.62mm x 39mm did you steal and sell online?
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@Chicano_pistolero I ask about the 7.62mm x 39mm ammo because like the 7.62mm x 39mm ammo which rhe US army does not use nor stockpile, the Villistas used 30-30 Winchester for lever action rifles. Likewise the US army did not stockpile nor use .30-30 Winchester ammunition. This US soldiers would not have access to ammunition to feed the Villistas lever action rifles. At the time the US Army used 30-06 ammunition for their Springfield and Enfield rifles. So the answer is the Army cannot have had soldiers supplying Villa.
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@Chicano_pistolero so, the theory goes that the soldiers sold ammunition from supposed army stockpiles, but substituted ammunition that had no powder in them. If I were to go to you in your national guard unit and said " hey Ocala, I need you to steal 7.62mm x 39mm from your national guard stockpile and sell it to villa, could you have done it? Next question is that the need for 30-30 Winchester would have been at a minimum 3 truck loads or 6.pallets. Could you have gotten that much 7.62mm x 39mm to sell to villa from your guard unit? Nor could the 13th Cavalry circa 1916.....
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@Chicano_pistolero the Mexican folk lore of the ammunition is NOT that the soldiers sold Villa hot ammunition that caused a compromise in the Winchesters, rather the common campfire story is that the soldiers sold villa 30-30 Winchester ammunition that had saw dust instead of propellant. 1.) If Villa purchased ammunition without test firing random lots of the ammunition then he was a moron. 2.) If villa had purchased the ammunition and discovered the fault in the ammunition and paid for it anyway he is a doubly a moron. 3.) Resource material from the University of Texas system actually tracked Villas ammunition purchases and all of them that are recorded occurred at the eastern Texas border with Mexico. These purchases were made from contract companies in San Antonio and were delivered on schedule. I scoured that listing looking for any purchases in New Mexico and Arizona and there were no e. The stories involving ammunition purchased from either the ravel store or the 13th Cavalry are apocryphal at best.
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@Chicano_pistolero my family history is similar. My family ran a series of stores in southern New Mexico territory starting in the 1870s and moved about the southwest finally including me here in sight of the border in Cochise County. MY grandfather who was born in El Paso set up tents for the Army as a teen in El Paso during the punitive expedition and his older brother served a a farrier for the Cavalry from then until after World War I. I myself served as an instructor for officer Basic Course lieutenants and part of the duty was to do terrain walks explaining the battles from Picacho Pass in the west to the Mexican Civil Wars in the east. Part of the training was to do a "ride" of the Columbus battlefield and discuss what led up to it, what occurred, and what happened afterwards. The US side has much in the way of primary source material to refer to in preparation for those events. Sadly the Mexican side has almost nothing to refer to other than testimony in the Deming and Silver City courts, and witness testimony of the kidnapped Mormon woman who was present on horseback through it all until the Villistas unraveled and fled. In the years following the raid on Columbus many apocryphal stories appeared without any basis of fact from the Mexican side that largely try to explain in larger meme what the villista goal was. None of it has any basis to it. I have had people say that their grandfather was on the raid and helped hang hundreds of US Soldiers from the trees in Puerto Palomas. This is of course comical as there was a full accounting of US Losses from the raid which numbered roughly a dozen, and there were no trees in Puerto Palomas then. Its also interesting that much like families in the US who all seem to have someone who claims to have been a Navy Seal, every family in Northern Mexico has someone who claims they were on the Columbus Raid. Amazing when you consider that of the 500 raiders who started, by the end of the day there was roughly 345 left. Six months later that was whittled down to less than 100. But the camp fire stories got passed down and that is what passes for fact south of the border. I recommend a book called "The General and the Jaguar" which does an excellent job laying out what is known about the raid itself.
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@hectorcornejo1468 actually we have pretty good data reference what occurred and motivations. Best example was the interviews with Maud Wright who was the Mormon woman kidnapped 9bdays before in a raid on a Mormon Colonia in Mexico and abandoned at Cootes Hill outside of Columbus when the Villistas fled in panic. Her testimony was that Villa spoke of the raid as a way to force Germany to support the Villistas. She also spoke of the desire to sack the town to replenish villas coffers. We have the logs and after action reviews of the 13th Cavalry that paint a fairly decent picture of the battle itself and the pursuit to the border. I recommend the book "The General and the Jaguar".
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@hectorcornejo1468 There is a total lack of written logs, testimony, or journals from the Villista side of the argument. Likely because of the nature of the Villista army itself that was not trained per se. What is available is Maud Wrights interviews, and also the testimony of the Villistas captured immediately following the raid who were tried in the Deming Court. A second group of Vilistas were similarly captured later in the campaign and likewise tried in a Silver City Court. Largely those three sources concur with each other and provide a pretty good accounting of what happened. It seems every family in Chihuahua has a grand pappy who was on the raid who told the grand son by a campfire of his deeds during the raid, but 99% of it is crap when compared with known facts. For instance, it seems common lore in Chichuahua is that Villa purchased ammunition from the Ravel Brothers store in Columbus, a place he was not known to go to before, nor have any dealings with previously. Common records from U of T archives show his previous ammunition purchases were made from contractors in San Antonio who provided the ammunition at Rio Grande crossings south of San Antonio where the contractors were from. thus, a more plausible reason for selecting Columbus was he thought it was ripe for the picking since he believed the 13th Cavalry was only 30 or so soldiers the night he attacked. He gave guidance to attack, the hotel, store, bank and the corrals holding the cavalry horses.
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@hectorcornejo1468 Do you have proof that the Villistas in the Silver City and Deming Jails were tortured or otherwise coerced? It amazes me that pwople south of the border are willing to write off legal testimony in a legal court. But totally willing to believe great grandpa Pedro when he says that space aliens attacked the cavalry in support of the Villistas....... Of course old Pedro was 5 years old in 1916-17.
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@hectorcornejo1468 2AD and 1CD vet here from over 24 years of service prior to retirement to my family ranch here in AZ. I served as a history instructor for a bit and used to focus on the actions here around the southwest. One thing I learned is something that is written down beats campfire stories.
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@hectorcornejo1468 in history it is proven, available documentation trumps hearsay. That is an absolute. It is why so much is known of the waffen SS in WWII, they were documenting fanatics.
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@hectorcornejo1468 please provide an instance where documented history was disproven by a campfire oral history.
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@hectorcornejo1468 so, because you state SOME historical facts have been proven untrue, then all history is in jeopardy?
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@hectorcornejo1468 you are right. The Roman's settled Antarctica, the Peruvians landed at Normandy in 1944. And Mexicos capital city is Oslo.
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@hectorcornejo1468 it illustrates your absurd point perfectly.
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@hectorcornejo1468 And the absurd claims used in the popular Mexican verbal history of: 1.) Villa captured US airplanes by having his troops dress as Federal troops. 2.) Villa eluded US troops by having his horses shod backwards. 3.) The US Army sold Villa ammunition that was filled with sawdust. 4.) The Ravenel Brothers sold him similar ammunition. 5.) Hundreds of US troops were hanged from the trees in La Palomas by Villistas victorious in their Columbus Attack. 6.) Villa suffered 0 casualties in his Attack. 7.) Villa ordered his troops to cut off the ears of the US troops after they were captured In Columbus. 8.) Everybody in Chihuahua seems to have a great grandfather who was in on the attack at Columbus, and they all seem to have survived, lived to old age, and covered themselves in glory (Stolen Valor anyone?) These Dont seem to draw any fire? Talk about revisionist history as well as absurdist history.
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@hectorcornejo1468 the extremes magnify the fallacy of your position. Accurate telling of History is usually not debatable . Lately it has become fashionable in academe to say everything is fungible, but that is simply rot. For instance do you know of anyone who disputes the fact that as part of Operation Market Garden, airborne forces were dropped into The Netherlands on 17 Sept 1944? Would you deny that Henry Ford produced automobiles? That Arizona was made a state in 1912? It would be intersting for you to take a contrary position, and then be forced to defend it. Regarding my background. In fact I got a minor in History. The army saw fit to have me instruct military history blocks of instruction to young officers. Good enough?
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@labcoat_0 when an organization has a wealth of documentary evidence in the form of aar's, staff duty logs, trial testimony etc, then it defeats some campfire stories told 50 years after the events which have no similar backing. It is "bringing receipts" as it were.
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@labcoat_0 you one of those guys who thinks aliens killed JFK and Apollo 11 was in a Burbank Soundstage?
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@collllroossk thanks much for your observations. I agree that the comments boards often take on a "wish it were so" on this subject matter.
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Yeah. By then the Mexicans will have stories saying Pancho was the first to walk on the moon and touch down in the Marianas Trench.
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@curio8093 Obsessed? Would not characterize it as such, but will explain my interest as: 1.) My family has roots in the southwest border area extending back to the 1870's. In fact my paternal grandfather had stories involving setting up tents for the army during the build up to the punative expedition at the age of ten to make some small amounts of cash for his family. 2.) As a young captain I was tasked to do terrain walks for even younger officers which caused me to have to research the Raid on Columbus in order to teach the lessons learned in the 1916 time frame. 3.) My research taught me that the facts of the situation were not taught south of the border and instead a hagiography of the supposed great Pancho Villa had taken root. 4.) Like other similar hagiographies of patently evil men, they must be confronted with the truth or we don't learn from history which to those of us historians is anathema. Got to fight it. 5.) Likewise I also fight against similar crimes against truthful history involving such evil figures such as Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Mussolini, and of course Hitler amongst others. 6.) I will say my location here in the southwest and previous duties have made the personal study of the 1915 to 1920 situation here easier to accomplish. That help?
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@orlandomorales2033 so telling the truth about the thug and murderer Villa is now equated to hatred of Mexican people? Wow.......
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@orlandomorales2033 talking Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Would you have preferred Operation Downfall and its attendant casualty estimates of several Million Japanese civilian casualties on Honshu alone?
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@darthchingaso3613 name an incident where the US lined up native Americans, took there possessions. The executed them via firing squad
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@Reivaj L my particular part was purchased....
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@natalialuisdevaldivia1632 specifically what invaders are we speaking of?
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@dwightchaos9449 Bull.... I have seen war. I have a 24 year career as an officer prior to retiring. I have been deployed to war zones enough. And I can tell you your statement that everyone acts evilly is bull.... As I said before can you find evidence Villas three nemesis i listed did the evil actions i listed? They did not. Villa was unusually evil.
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@theguythatcoment please, give me a grid to the mass graves of the Cherokee nation from, oh let's say 1918 to 1926. You say a genocide occurred then. I will hold you to it.
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@theguythatcoment looks like you can't give me a grid to those mass graves of the Cherokee nation that occurred after 1918. So, we will broaden it for you. Now we will accept mass graves from 1910 until now.
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@colonelvonmincher3543 Interesting. Have you ever been to the Wounded Knee Battlefield? I have. Impossible to claim the Miniconjou were lined up, had their pockets rifled through for valuables and then summarily executed as Villa routinely did. Instead they were in the process of being disarmed by a very wary 7th Cavalry who 14 years earlier were decimated by these exact same tribesmen. When Black Coyote refused to turn over his weapon and fired it became an all out free for all. The 7th Cavalry had deployed in a formation in a half moon around the Indians and had fire superiority, but still managed to lose 25 soldiers out right killed and several more died of wounds . This is not on par with the Villistas atrocities as recorded.
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@darthchingaso3613 i have done historical staff rides on much of the Indian wars: Little Big Horn, Rosebud, Wounded Knee, The Washita, Minnesota Massacre, Killdeer Mountains, Apache Pass, just to name a few. In no case do I recall the US Army lining up men, women, and children - Rifling through their possessions. And then killing them by firing squad. While Indian families were occasionally killed in the midst of combat actions, it was not done in any way near the savagery of Pancho Villa and his murderous thugs.
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@darthchingaso3613 No, but neither was racism against any other ethnic Group. For instance, did you know that Louis Riel led a murderous rampage against white Europeans by the Metis? Give it a read sometime. People think the history of the Manitoba/North Dakota border area was always peaceful....
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@darthchingaso3613 and again I state at which point were innocent civilians lined up at the boarding school, had their pockets rifled through to steal valuables? And then executed by firing squad?
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@redemption882 didn't need to. After the raid and Punitive Expedition, villas 500 man force was attritted to below 150 surviving members scattered about Chihuahua. Pancho himself was relegated to hiding under the beds of Southern Chihuahua. Really says something about the Mexican federal army that when the US departed for Europe they were not able to whack what was left of old Pancho. This despite outnumbering what was left of his band by a factor of 100?
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Mayan Empire Nonsense. Following his debacle at Hermosillo, Villa in the following year thought he would move through the northern Mexico area trying to live off the land by raping, murder, and theft from those he thought could not hurt him. As he moved, as was his usual pattern, he press ganged farm workers into his bandidos. Even so his force tha arrived in Columbus numbered five hundred strong. The next day after the ill advised raid with its shockingly high casualty rate, he had 326 survivors fleeing south to hide from a possible persuer. Within 4 months the US Army had further attritted that force to a maximum of 156 scattered about Southern Chihuahua. VILLA himself was hiding under every bed he could find as he fled south. After coming out from under the bed following the US Army departing for France. VILLA resumed his practice of conscription of poor farm workers into his force to try and reestablish some form of power. And of course he took the ultimate pay off in the form of his own hacienda(very Mexican) prior to Obregon wracking him ala Sonny Corleone from the God father. Part 1. And this is something to be proud of?
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Please provide proof of this.
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And he spent their little conscripted lives like water in mounted attacks against entrenched enemies with barbed wire and machine guns. But he didn't care, he would simply drag replacements in the form of conscripted soldados off the next hacienda he came to. Life was cheap in Mexico back then.
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@maurovillarreal2037 sure they changed the president of Mexico. And they got a communist guy who led the repression of the cristeros, hanging thousands of them from telephone poles for their faiths. I have a theory that baked into Mexicos cultural DNA is an inherent need for a massive blood letting every 20-30 years. It is probably born of a cultural mother of Aztec ritual sacrifice mixed with a cultural father of Spanish exploitation Colony practices. Thus the common man expects to be ripped off from the side that is the Spanish influence, and massacred in whole job lots by the Aztec side of the culture.
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