Comments by "" (@neutronalchemist3241) on "Forgotten Weapons"
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@CtrlAltRetreat The Italians wanted to adopt the 7.35X32 (not the 7.35X51, that came later) because they wanted to adopt a semiauto rifle (the Terni 1921) and correctly recognised that, for semiauto fire, an intermediate cartridge was better, hence the 7.35X32.
The conservatorism of the high brass prevented the adoption of the Terni semiauto, bu they still wanted a semiauto, in a full blown cartridge, so a new rifle, and tested many,
In 1938, still testing semiauto rifles, they recognised the convertion to a semiauto would have likely required a long time, but they didn't want to fight the next war with long worn-out, WWI Carcano rifles, so they adopted the M38 short rifle, that was a new rifle anyway.
BUT there is a trick. You can take an old, worn-out, 6.5 long rifle barrel, and turn it in a brand new, 7.35 short rifle barrel, only cutting and reboring it.
You can't turn an old worn-out 6.5 long rifle barrel in a brand new 6.5 short rifle barrel. Even cutting it, it will remain worn out.
So, since they had to manufacture new rifles and new ammos anyway, to adopt the 7.35x51, was economically convenient in respect to adopt a 6.5 spitzer.
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A shame Drachinifel contributed to spread that bogus info (he never stated the quality being "all over the place, generally trending towards bloody awful. Ocasionally in spec", but that's internet). Infortunately he does not read Italian, so he has to rely on what he finds in English. Second hand sources, wartime propaganda, etc... A common problem between self-made historians.
The only source for the problem with Italian naval shells was Adm. Iachino, that had to justify his fiasco at Gaudo / Cape Matapan, and had been debunked by other sources, (IE Adm. Emilio Brenta, or the same Fire Director Officer of the Vittorio Veneto ad Gaudo). Reality is that in the conditions of the clash at Gaudo, no WWII battleship would have hit anything.
As a matter of fact, the Italian 152mm and 203mm are the only Cruiser naval guns that obtained some +20km hits during WWII (even twice in the same battle, so it was not a fluke).
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The complain about the dispersion at Gaudo had been made by Adm. Iachino, but he had to justify his fiasco of the subsequent night someway. We have the direct witness of the Fire Director of the Vittorio Veneto, that didn't considered the dispersion of the salvos to be anything out of the ordinary.
Simply the Vittorio Veneto fired from very long distance, in two different actions of 10 and 19 salvos each (between the two, the British ships were completely covered in smokescreens, so the Vittorio Veneto had to re-adjust the aim when it spotted them again) vs. two ships that, with a time of flight of the shells of over 40" could manuver to avoid the shots when they spotted the blasts.
The Battle of the Espero Convoy already demonstrated that, even at half that distance, it was nearly impossible to hit a ship that was performing evasive manuvers (or in the battle of Denmark Strait, when POW decided to break the contact, the Bismark wasn't able to land a hit any more).
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For 1934 It was simple to make too. The BAR, BREN, MG34 and Type99 (and both the BREN and MG1934 had been selected in 1938, the Type99 in 1939) had more complex machining. Among the most used LMGs of the time, Only the DP28 could be considered simpler to manufacture.
But generally, though I like it, it seems like a promising prototype put in production before all the elements had been figured out throughly.
Very good and simple operating mechanism, barrel change mechanism, general ergonomy, controls, gas settings…
But three sets of lugs (it's a nightmare to match bolts and receivers)? That bipod (I’ve seen better in WWI)… no handle to grab a scorching hot barrel… And that magazine…
It could have easily been so MUCH better.
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@222TripleJ the only problem with the Italian classification is that people consider the one used only by the US "right" by default.
The Italian classification was done exclusively by mass. A tank was light under the 10 tons, medium between 10 and 20 tons, heavy over 20 tons. L6/40, light tank weighting 6 tons adopted in 1940. M14/41, medium tank weighting 14 tons adopted in 1941. P26/40, heavy tank weighting 26 tons adopted in 1940.
The Brits classified their tanks light , cruise and infantry.
the Germans didnt' have a classification, they only numbered the models (Panzer II - III - IV).
The US classification was so good that their "Heavy" tanks were so heavy to be scarcely useful, had been practically unused in WWII, and the entire concept had been replaced by that of MBT later but, for some reason, the P26/40 being a heavy tank was "laughable".
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