Comments by "Volound" (@Volound) on "Munchies"
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disgusting. extremely cruel and barbaric - like pretty much everything else that used to be done 1400 years ago, but is not practised any more (among civilised societies). there is a reason we use the captive stun bolt, inert gas asphyxiation and electrical stunning. it renders the animal unconscious - unreceptive to pain, before it is slaughtered. that is humane - avoiding unnecessary suffering. can you imagine if your mother was in hospital and wanted to be euthanised, and someone came in and slit her fucking throat and hung her upside down (to make it easier for blood not only to escape, but to feed the brain and keep it aware)? that is absolutely barbaric.
there is no sane, scientific, rational, reasonable justification for this. it is all rooted in religious tradition. the amount of unnecessary suffering for the sake of superstition.. absolutely heartbreaking and infuriating.
if anyone buys into this "just the nerves" bollocks, read some of the scientific literature. read about why this has been banned in some countries, despite lobbying from the religious zealots. dawn was a fucking bimbo in this documentary. she had not a single fucking clue.
this is fucking cruel and stupid and it is the duty of every informed, rational person to oppose this pernicious garbage and purge it as soon as possible.
we will look back on this with shame. the 21st century and we were effectively torturing animals for the sake of superstition.
“animal rights come before religion” - Dan Jørgensen, agriculture minister for Denmark
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Amin Mansour "first Islam is not a cult"
wrong. islam fits the definition of "cult" perfectly: http://i.imgur.com/WeA4nia.png
"Second we don't worship muhammed(pbuh)"
you do, even if you like to think otherwise.
"Third he wasn't a pedophile "
wanting to fuck children is to be a paedophile. that is the definition of paedophilia. muhammad wanted to fuck aisha, as was explained. muhammad did fuck aisha, when she was still playing with dolls (attested by sahih hadith). muhammad was a child molestor. he also fucked concubines - female slaves. he was a perverted warmonger.
"Fourth it wasnt Muhammed who split the moon, as he is only human, it was Allah."
nobody split the moon. this is religious pseudoscientific bunk: http://lunarscience.nasa.gov/?question=evidence-moon-having-been-split-two
the qur'an attributes it to muhammad.
"Fifth it was asccention to the heavens and not to the moon"
that is what my comment says, you buffoon.
holy shit you people are useless.
"Sixth it wasn't a horse"
sahih hadith describe the buraq as being a winged horse. learn your religion.
"Seveneth the angel didn't hug him but squeezed his hand"
sahih hadith describe it explicitly as being an embrace. learn your religion.
"eight Muhammed died illetrate and never knew how to read."
there is no way you can know that. you cannot even prove that muhammad actually existed.
"My point: you are ignorant and I am not referring to the ignorance where one simply doesn't know but rather where one pecieves to know with some kind of arrogance when man actually does not know. Everything you said was wrong in that paragraph which highlights my initial point. Second you read the Quran because if one was to,
they would not come to such distasteful, unintellectual and false claims.
Lastly one has to affirm god exist to believes in miracles. The miracles are for those at the time and the place present to convince them of allah but to affirm Allah is true today then one must conclude that the miracles also occurred."
i know your own stupid religion better than you do, you feckless idiot, and part of that was because i actually read the qur'an, which almost no muslim i have talked to has ever done. do not call people ignorant when the version of islam you believe is pussified and diluted in order to make it easier for you to digest. read your fucking qur'an, read your sunnah, read your hadith. i have read all of those AND the bhagavad gita and the bible, and the guru granth sahib. atheists knowing more about religion than the actual religious people is typical. read the studies.
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GT45000 "Its pretty clear you reek of bias considering your clear contempt for religion, Islam in particular."
ad hominemn. my arguments stand and fall on their own merits.
"I am more concerned with how the animal lives before it dies which ofcourse you couldnt care about"
industrial efficiency is much less evil than torture, which is what happens when you rear an animal and then at the end, needlessly slit its throat when we have 21st century technology and understanding. that is evil.
"since you merely want to act the animal rights activist to bash Islam."
ad hominem. also, i bash any evil ideology that causes massive, global suffering.
"If you go to one of your supposedly humane secular slaughter houses, you will see that they arent the clinical painless operations you make them out to be."
they are. the animal is incapacitated, rendered completely unconscious. this can be done through electrical baths, in the case of poultry, or massive concussive trauma, in the case of cattle. this is completely painless. that is precisely why this is employed.
"The muslim slaughterhouses generally show more importance to each animal before slaughter rather then a conveyor belt of doom."
emotive, hyperbolic nonsense. you could feed it properly, massage it, dress it all up and then "shh" it to sleep before you kill it. if the animal ends up hanging by its legs with its throat cut while it flails around in a bloody panic, that is torture. does not matter one iota how it is treated beforehand. the act stands to be scrutinised separately. red herring.
"You give a fail example of someone wanting to euthanise their mum (?) And conflate the messiness of slaughtering by cutting of jugular vein as being much more painful for the animal. This is slaughter on an industrial scale, you cant put every chicken in a nice bed, stroke its beak and sooth it to sleep and kill it."
you somehow manage to completely miss the point in unbelievable fashion. no muslim would ever endorse the euthanising of a dying family member by severing of the arteries followed by hemorrhaging to death. another red herring. probably due to deliberate disingenuous misdirection as opposed to genuine stupidity.
"You speak of scientific journals yet there isnt a consensus that halal slaughter is cruel and painful, in fact Ive read some which speak fondly of it & kosher."
and who were they funded by? you can find historians that deny the armenian genocide which all credible historians know for a fact happened, and they do it because their work is funded by the turkish government. they sell their credibility for dirty money
the consensus of independent, unbiased research is that religious slaughter is cruel and barbaric. there is no getting around this very obvious fact.
"Oh yea, i forgot kosher is usually ignored even though the processes are similar because it isnt done by muslims and Islamic injunctions."
all slaughter that entails the animal being conscious and experiencing its own visceral, bloody death, is cruel and barbaric.
"Regardless, Im sure you will throw around some big words and supposed 'fallacies' Ive commited from words you learnt on wikipedia."
absolutely. your comments are rife with fallacious nonsense. you do not address the actual issues raised. the closest you came was to outright deny the scientific consensus, which is typical of muslims. they do the same with evolution. they do the same with history too, like the armenian genocide. they also love to deny what muhammad did (sex with children, brutal warmongering), even though it is recorded in the sunnah, they still deny it. quite pathetic really.
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***** "i have no idea why a lot of american looks like "love in front of hate" muslim and islam peoples"
because islam is awful and some of the muslims that adhere to it are pieces of shit.
"+Volound before you confront me, i must explain the way we slaughter animals(thus i not really like meats)."
no point. my understanding is better than any muslim, as i actually know what happens without the addition of religious wishful thinking. i already know what muslims think about dhabibah.
"1. the slaughterma and who holds the animal must have no fear to blood"
this is stupid.
"2. the slaughtering knife must be very sharp, so the animal didnt feel so much hurt"
the real suffering results from the terror of drowning on your own blood.
"3. if possible fasten the slaughtering process"
by slitting the throat. genius. halal slaughter is the slowest and most cruel method of slaughter.
"4. the animal must be fatty and healty, its very prohibbited to slaughter sick animal (wich is a lot of industrial-scale slaughter house(not only americans, indonesians too) didnt care a lot)"
this makes no sense.
"5. the animal called halal if the slaughterman already cutted these three channels
1. mouth channel(where food goes in)
2. breathhing channel
3. main artery
if the slaughterman didnt cut them, its not slaughtered animal, its a carcass"
religious woo-woo.
"i didnt gave any opinion about slaughtering, or anything about, i just show my way to slaughter animal, the best way i ever know."
21st century civilised societies have a better way - the penetrating captive bolt.
"EDIT: oh, i didnt notice if you are an atheist, its uselsess now, but i'll not remove it, since it will help other people who want to know about it"
i recommend other people read an objective source, and not the apologetics of a religious person defending their religious barbarism.
"More EDIT(Sorry): +Volound , so i just take the point of you.
you are a fucking moron human who didnt have any kind of respect o other religion and only think about yourself and you do gaming about i think ghosts wich is actually there and i think you not belive it thus i just imagined when you at school with full of religioned-kids who have their own way, combining it, and they life in peace, instead you, confronting them.
remember voloud, "one stupid and moron human never gonna win, but 1000 stupid human would, and you have no support here, now, if you want to be safe now, reply this and say this
"i'm sorry, and i swear i'll not do it again, never ever, and if i broke my promise, i'll diied by truck full of chiken's blood hitting me near golden bridge"
almost 98% of atheist didnt want to swear because they Have-fear-if-his/her-swear-happends. and about study, what study you mean?, there's a lot of study that says atheist is more easy to be fooled and get high blood pressure."
this is why religion is bad for people. there is absolutely nothing i can say that will do justice to how absolutely crazy and mentally deficient you look. going to just be glad that this is recorded somewhere in case you delete your comment out of shame in a few years. absolutely miserable.
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Ibrahim Miya "as a fact, there is nothing disliking about halal."
halal causes immense amounts of sadistic suffering on the basis of religious superstition.
"Halal is simply misunderstood by many basically due to biases, prejudices, and hatred."
so the entire scientific community is wrong.
"Halal is the healthiest source of products you can ever use."
just like zamzam water, which is loaded with arsenic and plenty of other heavy metals? fuck off.
"It I s not only restricted to slaughtering animals, but it extend to anything you can safely use that gives you highest level of safety and health benefits. Things such as dangerous drugs, alcaholism and many more;"
handwaving.
"we all agree that those are dangerous not only to the person using them, but to everyone around them. Do you think all the shootings, suicides, rapes...that are happening in the western world have no contributory factors?"
equivocating religious slaughter with asceticism.
"What's leading people into committing such crimes despite the abundance at the possession, are mainly the non-halal things people force unto themselves."
equivocation.
"Stay HALAL, Stay pure, natural, and healthy; and you'll be much happier with yourself."
happiness metrics are rock-bottom in islamic countries whereas in the west where we engage in meaningless hedonism, happiness is highest. your statements are inconsistent with reality. islam (religiosity on the whole) correlates strongly with misery and suffering. most failed, backwards societies in the world today are islamic.
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