Comments by "John Zuma" (@johnzuma4688) on "Chris At Speakers Corner"
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Here is a list of 40 Qurans.
1, Qaloon Qur'an
2, Al- susi(ibn-katheer) Qur'an
3,Khaled QUR'AN
4,Idrees QUR'AN
5,warsh Qur'an
6, Hafs Ad- Dury (Abu - Amro alBasri) QUR'AN 7,Al- Laith QUR'AN
8,Al- Bazzi Qur'an
9,Al- Azraq QUR'AN
10,As - Susi (Abu Amro alBasri) QUR'AN
11,Ad - Dury(alkisa'i) QUR'AN
12, Ibn shanboodh Qur'an
13,Al- Asbahaani QUR'AN
14,Hisham QUR'AN
15,Ibn Dhakwan QUR'AN
16,Isa BinWardan QUR'AN
17,Sulayman QUR'AN
18, Ibn Jammaz QUR'AN
19,Ahmad bin Farah QUR'AN
20,Qunbul Qur'an
21,Showba QUR'AN
22, Ruwais QUR'AN
23,Shujaa' bin Abi Nasr Al- Balakhi QUR'AN
24, Abu Amro Al -Ala QUR'AN
25,Hafs QUR'AN 1924 Cairo edition
26, Sana QUR'AN
27, Al- Dury(Al Hasan AlBasri) QUR'AN
28, Hafs Al - Dury(ibn kathir) QUR'AN
29,khalf QUR'AN
30,Ishaq QUR'AN
31,Al Hasan bin Said Al- Matuu'l QUR'AN
32, Abu- Farah Al- Shan - budhi QUR'AN
33,Ibn Masud QUR'AN
34,Ubai kab QUR'AN
35, Ruh QUR'AN
36,Abu Musa QUR'AN
37,Hafs QUR'AN 1982 edition
38, Ibn Abbas QUR'AN
39,Topkapi Qur'an
40, Samarkand Kufic Qur'an
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I have read the hafs quran and some of the hadiths with an open mind and found the following very disturbing about Mohammed and his allah:
- Islam teaches that child marriage is OK which implies child rape (Surah 65:4) which is evil. And Mohammed of course led by example when he raped a 9 year old little girl.
- Islam teaches that it is OK for a husband to beat his wife (Surah 4:34) which is evil.
- Islam teaches that it is OK to use women captured in war to be used and sold as sex slaves (Surah 33:50) which evil.
- Islam teaches that Christians and Jews must be fought until they have been killed (murdered) unless they submit to Islam and agree to be oppressed second class citizens in the own country (Surah 9:29) which is evil.
- Verily those who believe not [in Islam], among those who have received the scriptures [Jews and Christians], and among the idolaters, [shall be cast] into the fire of hell, to remain therein [for ever]. These are the worst of creatures. << Quran 98:6, So according to Mohammed Christians and Jews who reject Islam are the worst of creature.
- And the witness of a women is worth only half of that of a man. (Surah 2:282). That is an insult to all women.
- Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …"
- Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."
- Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …
So that is my problem with the many different Arabic quran we can all buy. And we should always remember all of Islam is only what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived.
Lets see what Jesus said:
- Jesus teaches in John 14:6 English Standard Version » 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. «
So who needs Mohammed and his allah? Logically no-one, especially as Mohammed does not explain how anyone gets to heaven following what he recited or how he lived.
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@maddaddy77 I see, you now change your tune. First it was just sources and now it is specific sources. But here are the sources on which I based my comment. I take you are not honest enough to leave islam anyway.
Mohammed changed the direction of worship from Jerusalem to Mecca in the year 624 AD which was commanded by Mohammed’s “the god” in surah 2:114-115, about 15-16 months after Mohammed moved to Medina. ( Heinz, Justin Paul (2008). The Origins of Muslim Prayer: Sixth and Seventh Century Religious Influences on the Salat Ritual. University of Missouri. p. 76 ) At that time the Kaaba was shrine dedicated to pagan idol god worship.
Mohammed the occupied Mecca around the year 629 AD (F.R. Shaikh, Chronology of Prophetic Events, Ta-Ha Publishers Ltd., London, 2001 pp. 3, 72, 134–136. ) Again at that time the Kaaba was a shrine dedicated to the worship of pagan idol gods. So Mohammed bowed down in worship for about 5 years to the Kaaba during which time the Kaaba was still full of pagan idol gods.
From Wikipedia >> The First Pilgrimage or Umrah of Dhu'l-Qada (Pilgrimage of the 11th month) was the first pilgrimage that the Islamic prophet Muhammad and the Muslims made after the Migration to Medina. It took place on the morning of the fourth day of Dhu al-Qi'dah 7 AH (629 CE), after the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah 6 AH (628 CE). The entire event was three days long.[1] << (Tafsir ibn Kathir)
Ar-Raḥīq Al-Makhtūm (Arabic: ٱلـرَّحِـيْـق ٱلْـمَـخْـتُـوْم, "The Sealed Nectar"), in the chapter The Compensatory ‘Umrah (Lesser Pilgrimage) the event is described as follows:
>> When Dhul Qa‘da month approached towards the close of the seventh year A.H., the Prophet ordered his people, and the men who witnessed Al-Hudaibiyah Truce Treaty in particular, to make preparations to perform the lesser pilgrimage. He proceeded with 2000 men besides some women and children [Fath Al-Bari 7/700], and 60 camels for sacrifice, to visit the Holy Sanctuary in Makkah. The Muslims took their weapons with them fearing the treachery of the Quraishites, but left them with a party of two hundred men at a place some eight miles from Makkah. They entered the city with the swords in their scabbards [Za'd Al-Ma'ad 2/151; Fath Al-Bari 7/700], with the Prophet at their head on his she-camel, Al-Qaswa’, while the surrounding Companions attentively focusing their look on him, all saying: "Here I am! at Your service O Allâh!" The Quraishites had left the place and retired to their tents on the adjoining hills. The Muslims performed the usual circumambulation vigorously and briskly; and on recommendation by the Prophet they did their best to appear strong and steadfast in their circumambulation as the polytheists had spread rumours that they were weak because the fever of Yathrib (Madinah) had sapped their strength. They were ordered to run in the first three rounds and then walk in the remaining ones. The Makkans meanwhile aligned on the top of Qu‘aiqa‘an Mount watching the Muslims, tongue-tied at witnessing their strength and devotion.<< ( Mubarakpuri, S. R., "The Compensatory 'Umrah (Lesser Pilgrimage)", Ar-Raḥīq Al-Makhtūm ("The Sealed Nectar"), archived from the original on 2011-08-20, retrieved 2006-07-25)
Here we read that Mohammed did the hajj just like the pagans did and whilst the Kaaba was still full of pagan idol gods.
I assume I don’t have to show you the source that Mohammed destroyed the idols in and around the Kaaba. But as we know today, the Kaaba as well as the black stone were not destroyed by Mohammed and from a hadiths from Umar we know that Mohammed kissed the black stone.
Here are some of the hadiths reported as regards the Black Stone:
1. Ibn `Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: “The Black Stone came down from Jannah (Paradise).” (At-Tirmidhi, Sunan, hadith no. 877, and classified as authentic hadith by Sheikh Al-Albaani in his book Sahih At-Tirmidthi, hadith no. 695 )
2. Ibn `Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) also narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: “When the Black Stone came down from Paradise, it was whiter than milk, but the sins of the sons of Adam made it black.” (At-Tirmidhi, Sunan)
3. Ibn `Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) further related that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: “By Allah, Allah will bring it forth on the Day of Judgment, and it will have two eyes with which it will see and a tongue with which it will speak, and it will testify in favor of those who touched it in sincerity.” (At-Tirmidhi, Sunan)
4. Ibn `Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) quoted the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) as saying: “Touching them both [the Black Stone and Ar-Rukn Al-Yamani] is an expiation for one’s sins.” (At-Tirmidhi, Sunan, hadith no. 959. This hadith is classified as hasan by At-Tirmidhi and as Sahih by Al-Hakim (1/664), and Adh-Dhahabi agreed with him.)
Read More on islamonline: https://fiqh.islamonline.net/en/the-black-stone-history-and-significance/
No sure if I covered all the points, so if I missed something, then please let me know. But I assume you now know that the points I raised are all correct according to the sources. And that makes Mohammed a pagan idol god worshipper after the direction of worship was changed. So will you now leave islam my friend?
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So Sunnis and Shiites have been fighting each other for more than 1300 years and are still doing so today in Yemen, Sudan, Iran, Iraq, Syria etc. Not to mention the islamic terror organizations like Al-Shabab, Bokoharam, ISIS, Alqaida etc who rob, rape, commit adultery, enslave women and children just like Mohammed did. And yes, the Islamic debater and his followers started the violence and perpetrated the violence. All the issue you mention do not change this fact. So you sound very desperate to try and change the subject from this obviously very embarrassing event. Not only did the islamic debater clearly lose the debate and that to a Christian who is half his age but then the Muslim debater got violent and that on camera for all to see. It does show the true face of islam.
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