Comments by "Zrips" (@Zripas) on "Donut"
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@gregautomotive8409
Home chargers are not as fast as dedicated ones, but that's besides that point. Building electrical charger stations are allot simpler and less expensive than hydrogen stations and you cant really make any hydrogen at home.
"The fact is, more CO2 is produced making an EV than making a gas car"
Yes, so what? Look at total CO2 production over cars life span, not just how much it produces when you make one...
"The EV doesn't offset it expenditure until about 400k miles."
Where the hell you got this number from? Is it from some Oil company?... Generally speaking EV's start producing less CO2 after 1-2 years, from where you got your magical number is a mystery.
"Keep in mind the cost of pack replacement is horrifying"
Keep in mind that you wont need to replace battery pack... And total maintenance cost for ICe cars is allot higher than EV's anyways.
"I'm already seeing the effects."
Its called: Anecdotal evidence.
"The hybrid is the cleanest bet going right now"
? Hybrid is the worst option... You basically have 2 cars in one which will brake allot more than it would if it was ether ICE or just EV.
And its strange, now you are saying that its better to have cars like that but it would be worst to have fully EV? How does that work in your head? Adding EV parts into ICE car makes it cleaner and better, but it gets worst if you remove ICE parts entirely?
"They use strip mines and in some cases slave labor"
Do you seriously think that literally polluting air your breath in makes your alternative better?
And not every battery manufacturer uses slaves... You do know this? Right?
"Cancer and birth defect rates around these facilities has gone through the roof."
So now you are not even arguing about EV's vs ICe cars, now you just complaining about some issues surrounding battery productions?...
"This shit is not green or sustainable. "
? Count oil spills and general deaths from air pollution, then remember that OIL has literal limit in how much there is in ground and you will realize which option is less clean and sustainable here...
There is no limit in electricity production, there are multiple ways to make batteries using multiple different methods and most of those methods can recycle batteries up to like 95% which can be reused over and over again...
"Your basically saying fuck other people on the planet so I can pat myself on the back here in the west for being environmentally conscience"
Your basically saying fuck EVERYONE around me on the planet so I can pat myself on the back here in the west for being environmentally conscience.
Now you just went with appeal to emotions... Try to stay on topic here.
"How is it going to handle all the cars too"
Without any problems. There have been studies done on this one and electrical car production will be under the limitations of even current electrical grid expansion, not even talking that it can be speed up if needed. There is no problem to expand grid to incorporate EV's...
"Lastly net's not forget that currently only 3.84% of these batteries are being recycled because no one wants to deal with the toxic chemicals in them"
? From where you got this number from? Like seriously, can you provide citation for this?...
"These heavy metals don't break down because they are themselves elements and they'll be finding their way into groundwater."
Irony is strong when you think about hundreds if not thousands of oil spills every single year... C'mon... I'm not even saying that you are wrong here, wont even bother with that, but the fact that you so conveniently ignore every issue surrounding oil sector is just... Interesting.
"Many EV's, because they no longer have ICE's no longer have OBD ports and force the consumer back to the dealer. Tesla is a big one."
Tesla does have OBD port... Are you even real mechanic? If you cant even find OBD port then maybe you should not put your hands on electrical cars in general?...
Electrical cars are basically smartphones on wheels, you need actual software understanding of this specific car to be able to properly fix it. Adapt or go out of business.
"No right to repair."
No right to screw up shit you have no idea how it works.
Even now Tesla is under attack by everyone just because they are not part of big car manufacturer group, what they least need now is someone messing around their cars when they dont know how to do it.
Its not that good that not everyone can fix electrical cars, but if you have issue you can always get into contact with Tesla service center and get it repaired by licensed professionals.
"So you're putting me out of business eventually too. "
Well, tough shit. Society progresses forwards, we no longer have quite a bit of jobs which existed years ago, so what? Its adapt or go out of business. Don't expect that everything will remain exactly the same for thousands of years... We cant just sit here and like "Och wait, we cant do this technological progress because it will remove this work sector"... If we did this we would be still living in caves, butt naked.
We had jobs like rope winders, those got replaced by automated machines, its not like you go to buy rope and complain that it wasn't handmade or something...
"EV's are a far cry for decent, green, sustainable, affordable or a reasonable solution"
Experts disagree with you.
"Donut doesn't seem to realize many auto and truck makers are on board with hydro. "
No, they are not. Auto makers only want to say that to be part of current trend, which is going green. Automakers want to remain on ICE cars for eternity, but they cant, luckily we got Tesla which pushed over the board auto makers and forced their hand to start making electrical cars and invest billions into their development. Hydrogen cars might only become some niche thing for some specific things, but it will never become mainstream, to late for that.
Check battery prices over last decades. Main cost of electrical car is battery pack, which is going down, fast. While Hydrogen production cost remains more or less same. If it dint lift off before, it wont have any chance now.
Go and count Hydrogen stations across entire world... Its 685 across entire world... While EV's has over 100 000 of those and more to come, not including basically every single electrical outlet in the world which can be used to charge it. Its simply to late for Hydrogen to make any real dent.
"They just build a 455hp hydrogen injected V8 that's supposed to sound amazing."
Who cares? Are you just for the sound? 455hp is generally speaking low amount. We have EV's with 1000hp+ in mass production... And you can add any sound you want if that's what is most important for you...
" Hyundai just released their N Vision 74 hydro"
Design from 90's, outdated even before being mass produced. Unless you like older looking cars, but its just my personal taste.
" The future is not EV's."
Everyone disagrees with you, but well, you can have your opinion here.
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@taMeska
Because it's currently cheapest option when it comes to price and energy density ratio.
Electrical cars only improves with time, battery prices are going down, new battery technologies are being discovered and this will only increase with more companies investing more money in battery technology, this is only beginning. While with hydrogen, it wont change much anymore, technology is settled down, you maybe could get cheaper cars if it goes into more mainstream production, but you still need to change entire infrastructure for hydrogen refueling stations, those are extremely expensive to build and maintain, this isint the case with electrical stations.
Hydrogen cars had a chance to become something bigger if those took off like 20 years ago, but as we all know oil companies would not allow that they are still not allowing for electrical cars to take over, atleast trying to slow them down as much as possible, but its too late, every major car manufacturer started to shift towards electrical cars, only few who claims to make hydrogen cars in low numbers which is nothing. Like I mentioned, you have 15k hydrogen cars over 4.2million electrical ones and this gap will only increase as no one wants to buy car which cant be used due to none existing refueling stations.
Another thing. Electrical cars are like half the price for each km you drive than Hydrogen, it is cheaper than gasoline, but its still more expensive than electrical ones.
So what exact benefits you have with Hydrogen cars which should show that Hydrogen is better than electrical cars exactly?
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@cesarvazquez4234
"Let's make more ppl buy these 55k plus electric cars"
Price is going down, but generally speaking there is higher demand of those than there is supply, so while demand is higher than supply price will remain higher.
"questionable reliability"
Its not questionable, we know it to be more reliable than ICE cars.
"probably won't be diy cars"
Which ones are? And why would you need DIY car?
"and annual registration would be up the crap."
What now?
"dude I'm pretty u got a more chance of dying to damn road rage than a so call harmful emission"
Cool, then go (not actually suggesting here) to your garage, fire up your ICE car, close all doors and windows and enjoy that none toxic environment...
You are extremely short sighted... Its basically "If it dint killed me that means it has zero effect on me"... No... If it dint killed you it means that it doesn't have iminent effect on your health, doesn't mean that there is no negative effects in general. And that pollution not only, well, pollutes air, but it add to climate change, but its another topic on itself.
And just FYI you have higher change slipping in your bathroom and splitting your head than dying in car accident, but that doesn't mean that we should ignore car accidents... Your analogy is weird and irrelevant.
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@cesarvazquez4234
"It's funny to me how all the sudden everyone became car ppl and know everything about cars"
Isint its you who made original comment implying that you know everything about cars?... Isint that ironic on itself?
"If you care so much about climate change then take the bus, less ppl driving right. "
It needs to be group effort... if you just go and shit all over the place then rest people wont manage to actually prevent climate change... I mean, its already too late, we passed that line, now its only question how worst it will get before it gets better IF we lower emissions.
"But u won't lol I have a weird view."
Yes, you do have weird view, we agree on that.
"And guess what, servicing their own vehicle is a money saving."
So all those parts you replace you got for free? No need to buy them? You just patch everything with hot glue?
And just FYI electrical cars need allot less maintenance as you have like 100X times less moving parts, go figure.
"Or neighborhood mechanics being able to fix u know the car."
Just like back in the time people used horses and thought that owning car will be too expensive... And look where we are now... Its basically same situation, buying horse was cheaper than buying car, it even is now, but maintaining (feeding and all) horse is allot more expensive than a car. Same exact thing applies to EV's now, while it might cost more to actually buy one its maintenance/exploitation will be less.
"Smh cars are the pinnacle of reliability and emissions friendly still getting more and more better"
Do they? Do you have actual numbers how much "better" it got in past decade or two? And that doesn't resolve issue even if it did, its still way more than what EV's produce.
"Let's not forget electric run thru tires at a significant rate higher than normal cars because of weight"
Let's not forget that you don't need to change brake disks due to regenerative braking. Tit for tat I guess.
" There goes 2 percent less to 1 percent lol"
You still dint provided your citation for this 2% magical number, can you? Just to demonstrate that you are not some bozo who like to type away at something ya not even sure if it's true or false. Right?
"But hey 👋 dude u keep saving the world 🌎"
Yea, fuxk the planet, who needs it, we will be dead before it becomes to unbearable to live in it anyways, so who cares... Fuck the planet...
What is your actual argument here? You cant afford EV so its bad?
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