Comments by "F Liu" (@F_Liu) on "Channel 4 News" channel.

  1. The UK have been down playing this by lying to its people, a lot of ''young and healthy'' spend a good month in hospital in China recovering and some died too, and people in China have only just started to go about their usual life after being asked to stay indoors over 2 months, the streets are still very quiet though.
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  2. Because there have been people in China got infected not wearing masks by only standing next to an infected person for less than a minute, because the droplets float in the air for short time during certain conditions, so all Western media is telling people not to wear a mask are just totally ignorant, any type of mask is better than no mask in any case. It can also be spread by symptomless infected people.
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  3.  @darknite-vu7sm  What BS are you talking about? Wuhan has 11 million population, ans is still in lock down, some 2 million went to other parts of China for Chinese new year and now still not back to Wuhan, only a fraction of the population went abroad to visit or study and only less than a 50 tested positive and isolated but the majority have returned back to China since more than a month ago.
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  4.  @golfinguy423  I said as likely not as many, because I suppose it depends on how each individual's immune system reacts to the illness, but you are right, the 20-29 age group has a death rate of 0.2% and mostly get a milder form of the illness. And the disease affects males more than females.
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  5.  @gregoryjones2457  https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762130?resultClick=24
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  6.  @gregoryjones2457  I am not an expert of anything and I don't study into fine details of these research articles, I just summarise what I think was important and interesting from my Chinese sources. So about the latest autopsy carried out by Dr Liu Liang, I didn't find any English article about it, maybe it is out there but I did watch an interview by him to the Chinese state TV and there are some articles in Chinese about his findings. I used google translate to translate part of this article (http://m.xinhuanet.com/2020-03/03/c_1125658547.htm) I found online in a very quick search and quote below (I would not know if the translation is accurate as I am not a medical expert and don't know these terms) : ''The report said that the damages to the lungs of the deceased were obvious. The inflammatory lesions (grey-white lesions) were concentrated to the left lung, and the lungs were visually patchy. Gray-white lesions and dark red bleeding were visible. A large number of sticky secretions overflowed from the alveolar surface and fibrous strands were seen on the section. Consider that the ground-glass opacities seen in imaging correspond to the gray-white alveolar lesions seen by the naked eye, suggesting that neo-coronary pneumonia mainly causes inflammatory reactions characterized by deep airway and alveolar damage. The report believes that the pathological features of neocoronary pneumonia are very similar to those caused by SARS and MERS coronaviruses. However, from the general observation of systematic anatomy in this case, pulmonary fibrosis and consolidation are not as serious as those caused by SARS, and the exudative response is more significant than SARS. It may be related to the fact that this patient has only 15 days from diagnosis to death and a shorter course of disease, and more systemic corpse examination data and histopathological verification are needed. Liu Liang's team found that from the section of the lungs of the deceased, mucus secretions could be seen. Liu Liang made an analogy: alveoli are like the front-line battlefield, mucus disrupts traffic, oxygen cannot be sent, and front-line positions are easily lost. At present, ''road'' opening is the key, but now ''roads'' are blocked. An autopsy does not guide medical staff to intervene in all cases, but for lung mucus problems, you only need to dilute the alveolar mucus, such as turning back and patting the back, using sputum medication, can change the situation.''
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  7.  @runedyrting8476  Yes, it is for the fearmonering which is not helpful.
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  8.  John Hadleigh  Kill the old and sick so no pension to pay, that would make sense
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  9.  @basscaptain26  What is your point? WHO decided Taiwan should not be a member because Taiwan is part of China, idiot! Maybe you should ask UN to recognize Taiwan as a country first?
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  10. Total nonsense
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  11. But are there enough beds though in UK hospitals, most likely not
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  12.  @Harthorn  There are too many fake Chinese like you spreading BS, just by looking at the way you spell your name I already know. How badly has the CCP robbed you and you really think the other so called democratic governments don't do the same or worse? The CCP is no saint but it ain't half as bad as any other world government, you need to go back to Hong Kong or Taiwan and stop profiting from China yet at the same time bad mouth the hand that feed you!
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  13.  @Harthorn  你们南岛土住应该滚回井里，要不我举报上海台商协会你赚中国的钱搞台独，傻逼！
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  14.  @Harthorn  First, since the CCP is so horrible to you why are you still living in the Mainland not going back to your frog well? I guess the CCP provided you so much perks and benefits as a ''compatriot'' you do not want to leave? But you are not real Chinese only a shameless cheat grabbing the benefits the CCP offers you while you can, there are so many of shameless people like you in the Mainland, like I said bad mouth the hand that feed you and pretending to know about MY country. BTW, China will do what it needs to do to maintain its territory integrity but what group or ethnicity you identify yourself with is a different matter, just so that you are clear, it is illegal to do business in China while trying to incite separatism, so watch out, you risk of being deported back to your well any time if you talk anymore BS. Lol!
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  15.  @Harthorn  Could not think of any bad things the CCP did to you? Not even one? Tell me at least something so I can verify with the Chinese authority if it is true, lol, I guess you can't even read and write Chinese, life must be hard for you there in China, lol...
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  16.  @ArythemB  They kept it quiet for like a month? but after that the West wasted 2 months sitting on their hands did nothing, you don't learn do you🤣🤣
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  17.  @freakmoister  Because who cares about the Chinese right until it reaches their doorstep?
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  18. And even with the hazmat gear, there has been over 3000 health workers infected, so the joke is the UK is not asking people to wear masks
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  19. Maggie, I can't agree more with everything you said, Boris I am afraid had himself or his experts to blame and the herd immunity is the stupidest idea any government can ever came up with.
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  20. Proactive, proactive, proactive, is the UK being proactive? NO! NHS are you ready? NO! Just wash your hands!
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  21. Yes, it is either all or nothing, otherwise it would not work, that was what happened in Italy 3 weeks ago, a sort of ''lock down'' but still people were all over the place in streets, parks and shops and transports were running as usual, workers going to non essential works, they really only started to do a proper lock down a week ago after taking advice from China.
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  22. Better the trip is cancelled, it will just be a complete waste of time, we Chinese don't mind not attending such a meaningless meeting anyway. Don't bother, enjoy the balloon intrigue.
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  23. Look at Italy if you don't want to believe China's numbers, it is about 3.5% at the moment. Problem is that is average, it is 14% for over 80 and 8% for over 60, and critical rate is 10% and out of these 50% will die.
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  24.  @DavidSmith-wp2zb  Sorry the numbers from Italy is 79/2502. And remember most importantly is the critical case rate of 10% and 50% out of that will die as it was reported in China and this is a fact. If people are not treated promptly they will die, I know that in Wuhan hospitals there are far more respiratory machines and hospital beds than the UK, so the death rate will be even higher with lack of facilities here.
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  25. Yes, a lot of of the man who died were heavy smokers
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  26. What difference does it make if you trust the numbers or not, take it seriously, do your part to stop it from spreading to vulnerable people and keep yourself safe.
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  27. Easy, that was a lie since the beginning, don't know it was out of ignorance ill information or deliberate attempts to mislead to play it down or both.
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  28. Yes, you got that idea right that is what I think too, all or nothing, but remember they still want '' herd immunity'' even they deny it. They still want everyone to get it but in a pace where NHS can cope.
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  29. This is an airborne virus that is why it extremely contagious, there has been a case that a person getting infected in less than 15 secs standing next to an infected person without mask.
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  30. Please wear a mask to protect yourself and stay safe!
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  31. Yep, he did.
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  32. Self discipline and compliance will be the biggest challenges face the UK and the West if ever the people there will have to face the same level of quarantine as Wuhan, you just need one ''super-spreader'' to put a whole family or community in ''danger'' or worse as it had happened in China, but not very often though, most of the time the Chinese worked as a team and looked out for each other at this special time, this ''battle'' really brings out the most heroic spirit of people.
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  33. A hard lesson to learn with lives
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  34. 他就是一傻逼，唯一做对了的是他说了西方人想听爱听的话
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  35. Typical double standard as always
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  36.  @moosevision8113  And with the Brexit, I don't know if the NHS is short of staff because last time I was in hospital, a lot of nurses and doctors were foreign, not that I am complaining about it, it is just I feel the UK healthcare system is hanging by a thread now.
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  37. Total BS without any evidence and proof, Falungon cult member you can stop this we all know you are paid by the CIA
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  38. 病毒最爱自由皿煮国家，不爱专制集权的中国，让他们继续享受吧
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  39. Might get permanent damage to the lungs a new study from Hong Kong reveals.
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  40. They can reopen school in June all they want, I ain't letting my kid be the herd immunity guinea pig. I don't know how you could do social distancing in schools, not to mention they normally are the biggest breeding grounds for all sort of germs. China reopened schools last thing when only very few new infections took place, but for the UK, the worst affected country in Europe, the infection rate is still far too high to even reopen workplace.
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  41.  Deep Thought  What you mentioned is one of the reason why China contained the spread better but the main reason is as I said EVERYONE in China wears a mask so it slows the spreads, masks do work, especially when you don't know who is infected and even the ones who are infected don't know themselves but are very contagious while asymptomatic, so everyone needs to wear a mask just to be safe, it is the minimum protection for everyone, especially it is a known fact that this virus could spread through droplets aerosol in the air in certain weather conditions/humidity and in enclosed spaces like buses and tubes and air conditioned indoor places.
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  42. Naughty Channel 4 news missed to report the fact that it was Pelosi's visit to Taiwan that triggered the Chinese's response of military exercises over Taiwan, funny Western media propagate by omission, who are you fooling, oh the the majority of the Western public.
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  43. Add a zero to the total confirmed that will be the real figure.
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  44. Fake news as usual
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  45. Problem is how long this delay phase to suit the NHS capacity will have to last, if it last for 6 months or a year and the virus is still spreading, but just in a slower pace, that means they are still looking to achieve the ''herd immunity'' till the vaccine comes out, this prolonged period of social distancing is really going to take a toll on most people and businesses, so personally I'd rather prefer relatively shorter quarantine time (shut down) and then getting back to normal life like what China is doing.
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  46. They lie lie and lie, they want people to die to save money
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  47. It is ever so clear now people don't matter, life don't matter and the dead are just a number for them!
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  48.  @garsm2290  You are totally right, the UK government is still a shamble with many policies on the outbreak that are against WHO's advice, hopefully lessons will be learned.
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  49. The following is a comment reply I received earlier, please read it and pass this message to more people. 安之若素 I am in China and this is a preparatory disease and no one encourages wearing face mask in the UK as preventative measures but only washing hands which is to my surprise. The statistics in China is that 50% of the patient do not have high fever at the start and even with no symptoms but very contagious during the incubation period (14-28). People get infected in just 15 seconds interactions. 1/5 will develop sever conditions which need to be looked after at intensive care/ critical care and 60% of these serve cases will result in death. Pls. keep in mind that in 2 months, China has built 2 new hospitals ( 2000 beds ) and 25 container hospitals for containing the virus of the infected. 40K medical staff had poured into Hubei with its own 150K medical staff. Sth more from a person from wuhan I'm a Chinese from Wuhan, I hope anyone who sees my message understand/spread out my message that all big metropolitan cities around the world should adopt measures such as the 1000-bed makeshift hospitals that accommodate the coronavirus carriers(including asymptomatic and suspected cases) to prevent more healthy people from being infected . Don't let those mild/asymptomatic virus carriers off home because they will infect their family members if they don't live alone. The coronavirus has long incubation period (can be up to 24 days, before people realise they are infected), and long therapeutic period (which means occupation of the hospital resources for too long/per patient in hospitals), mild-severe patients will soon flood hospitals needing some level of medical intervention, but hospital beds won't be enough in any metropolitan city (Korea/Italy are both already experiencing tsunami of incoming COVID-19 patients in hospitals, which is exactly what Wuhan hospitals started to experience in mid-January until recently, a month after Wuhan lock-down). If these mild to mid-severe patients can't be treated in time by professionals, many of them will develop into severe-critical condition patients, and may die eventually although they could be saved if medical intervention came available earlier in their illness development. The only effective measure to stem the spread of the virus, and to lessen pressure on public health infrastructure is to identify anyone who may have been infected (adding the result of Computed Tomography Scan result showing lungs infection images into clinical diagnostic criteria to aid diagnose, relying solely on virus test lab results could be misleading and wrongly releasing virus carriers into society, which in turn seed the possibility of more people infected) , isolate them into quarantine locations stringently and immediately. This is the only way to reduce the amount of people that may die caused by lack of medical resources. Otherwise the death rate of the COVID-19 will be far higher than 2%.
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  50. ''Herd immunity'' project and killing 3% of the 60 -80% of the population is still the plan people!
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