Comments by "Perry Douglas" (@PerryDouglas-v5h) on "Vox"
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Critical details VOX left out! Intentionally!!!
At the time of the 14A, that was historically only for freed slaves, everyone else was still held to our preexisting requirements, laws regarding our two (2) levels of native citizenship, with different level of birthright!
Keep these things in mind throughout all of this. At the time U.S. law was children were born the nationality of their father and subject to the jurisdiction of their father’s country. It did not matter if they were born in the U.S.A., they weren’t eligible for American citizenship at all just by being born here. At least the father had to be an American citizen for the child to be born an American citizen at all.
Also women did not have independent citizenship until 1922. Unmarried women were the nationality of their father, while married women were the nationality of their husband.
These are the two levels of native citizenship and the requirements, criteria surrounding them at the time of the amendment! For everyone else except the freed slaves the 14A was for!
The “Citizen” (aka native born Citizen) with Limited Birthright required being born of at least a citizen father, whether in the country, or abroad.
The “natural born Citizen” with Total and Complete birthright requires one being born in the country, of parents who are citizens. The United States of America is “the country”. The child must be born in specifically a state. This means the father must have been an American citizen and married to the mother, for both parents to be citizens. At the time! Then when women gained independent citizenship in 1922, it became both parents must be independent citizens!!
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Seriously, get our of your own heads and read this! Sorry, but learn something!!!
The 14A “Citizen” is the same level of citizenship that George Washington and all the earliest “Citizens” of the nation, who were not born of citizens, were granted upon adoption of the Constitution in 1788. Then what’s below is extremely important, because you are being lied to!
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution in part states: “No Person except a Natural Born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President,”
12A holds the VP to the same requirement!
The Citizen do not have birthright to our highest offices! Not for a very, very long time now!!!
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@ Here all the details!
At the time of the 14A, that was historically only for freed slaves, everyone else was still held to our preexisting requirements, laws regarding our two (2) levels of native citizenship, with different level of birthright!
Keep these things in mind throughout all of this. At the time U.S. law was children were born the nationality of their father and subject to the jurisdiction of their father’s country. It did not matter if they were born in the U.S.A., they weren’t eligible for American citizenship at all just by being born here. At least the father had to be an American citizen for the child to be born an American citizen at all.
Also women did not have independent citizenship until 1922. Unmarried women were the nationality of their father, while married women were the nationality of their husband.
These are the two levels of native citizenship and the requirements, criteria surrounding them at the time of the amendment! For everyone else except the freed slaves the 14A was for!
The “Citizen” (aka native born Citizen) with Limited Birthright required being born of at least a citizen father, whether in the country, or abroad.
The “natural born Citizen” with Total and Complete birthright requires one being born in the country, of parents who are citizens. The United States of America is “the country”. The child must be born in specifically a state. This means the father must have been an American citizen and married to the mother, for both parents to be citizens. At the time! Then when women gained independent citizenship in 1922, it became both parents must be independent citizens!!
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@ For starters, the amendment was in 1868, and just for a moment forget about the corruption that occurred with the decision of Wong Kim Ark in 1898, 30 years later. The amendment was only for the freed at the time. The phrase “subject to its jurisdiction” excludes children born of foreigners. Everyone else besides the freed it was for, were still subject to our preexisting requirements, laws, to be born either of our two levels of native citizenship, with different levels of birthright.
Keep this in mind. At the time women did not have independent citizenship. Women were either the nationality of their father, or if married, then they were the nationality of their husband. At the time children were born entirely the nationality of their father, even if born in the U.S.A.. The U.S.A. had no jurisdiction over children born of foreign fathers! The nationality of the father was everything at the time!!!
The requirements, the laws in 1868!
“Citizen” (native born Citizen), Limited Birthright: The child must be born of at least a citizen father, but can be born in the country, or abroad.
“natural born Citizen”, Total and Complete Birthright: The child must be born in the country, of citizen parents. At the time this meant the father had to be an American citizen and married to the mother, making them both American citizens by attachment. This is known as Coverture. A legal doctrine that merged a married woman’a identity with her husband’s identity.
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Critical details VOX left out! Intentionally!!!
At the time of the 14A, that was historically only for freed slaves, everyone else was still held to our preexisting requirements, laws regarding our two (2) levels of native citizenship, with different level of birthright!
Keep these things in mind throughout all of this. At the time U.S. law was children were born the nationality of their father and subject to the jurisdiction of their father’s country. It did not matter if they were born in the U.S.A., they weren’t eligible for American citizenship at all just by being born here. At least the father had to be an American citizen for the child to be born an American citizen at all.
Also women did not have independent citizenship until 1922. Unmarried women were the nationality of their father, while married women were the nationality of their husband.
These are the two levels of native citizenship and the requirements, criteria surrounding them at the time of the amendment! For everyone else except the freed slaves the 14A was for!
The “Citizen” (aka native born Citizen) with Limited Birthright required being born of at least a citizen father, whether in the country, or abroad.
The “natural born Citizen” with Total and Complete birthright requires one being born in the country, of parents who are citizens. The United States of America is “the country”. The child must be born in specifically a state. This means the father must have been an American citizen and married to the mother, for both parents to be citizens. At the time! Then when women gained independent citizenship in 1922, it became both parents must be independent citizens!!
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Example. George Washington was granted being a “Citizen” (aka native born Citizen) with no need of naturalization, because there was no naturalization policy until 1790, and Limited Birthright of “right of the soil” upon adoption of the Constitution in 1788. And this was considered to retroactively date back to the founding of the nation in 1776, because despite his being born in the British colonies, he was a native born resident of the soil that later became part of the U.S.A., after the British colonies were dissolved. He was not an immigrant, he did not come from a foreign country to be a permanent resident in another. He was “native born Citizen”, which is what the “Citizen” with need of naturalization is also referred to and known as in our recorded history.Again, he was NOT an immigrant!
The 14A “Citizens” were treated essentially the same way, because they were mostly native born residents of the soil and not immigrants, that were previously held in captivity and denied rights and citizenship.
Not immigrants! Obama lied! Get over it!!!
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Example. George Washington was granted being a “Citizen” (aka native born Citizen) with no need of naturalization, because there was no naturalization policy until 1790, and Limited Birthright of “right of the soil” upon adoption of the Constitution in 1788. And this was considered to retroactively date back to the founding of the nation in 1776, because despite his being born in the British colonies, he was a native born resident of the soil that later became part of the U.S.A., after the British colonies were dissolved. He was not an immigrant, he did not come from a foreign country to be a permanent resident in another. He was “native born Citizen”, which is what the “Citizen” with need of naturalization is also referred to and known as in our recorded history.Again, he was NOT an immigrant!
The 14A “Citizens” were treated essentially the same way, because they were mostly native born residents of the soil and not immigrants, that were previously held in captivity and denied rights and citizenship.
Not immigrants! Obama lied! Get over it!!!
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