Comments by "SonsOfLorgar" (@SonsOfLorgar) on "Matsimus"
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@alangordon3283 umm... the logistics already changed with this system.
A towed mortar system carries at the most 10-20 rounds/piece of which at least a quarter is smoke shells and all in crates or plastic quivers.
That towed mortar platoon also requires at least one flat bed 4x4 or 6x6 cargo truck for hauling the rest of the ammo on cargo pallets.
The GrkPbv90120 can carry twice the ammount of a towed system just in it's ready racks, and then that ammount again in secondary storage, effectively eliminating the need for ammo trucks in the unit itself as one Mjölner platoon can go back to batallion ammo depot to fill up when down to <30% while the other platoon covers the line companies of the batallion in it's absense until relived.
This along with the fact that the mortars are using the same chassi as the mech inf companys CV9040 IFVs, CV90ARV, CV9040FCV and CV9040FOV as well as the CV9040AAV of the Batallion AA section means the logistics chain of the entire formation has been reduced by an entire link.
On top of that, the towed m1941D/E 12cm mortars the Mjölner replaced was towed either by unarmored 50year old Volvo tgb13 utility trucks(Civ designation volvoC306) or just as old unarmored Hägglunds Bv206 utility tractors...
Both of which just aren't capable of keeping up with CV90/Strv122 battle speed even if the towing vehicles had been factory fresh... which they aren't, the newest were built in the late 1980ies and has been driven around in every weather in every terrain all year round by 18-20yo conscripts, enlisted soldiers and officers both in Sweden and wherever in the world we sent expeditionary contingents under UN or EU command.
While the fact that many of those utility vehicles still serve with tens of thousands of miles on their meters is a true mark of excellence on the quality of their design and the dilligence of Swedish army maintenance procedures, those utility vehicles are like that pair of old, super comfortable sneakers that are litterally falling apart and beeing held together more by ductape, dried sweat and nostalgia than the fabric, glue and rubber they were made of.
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@omaral-maitah181 this was designed for peer level combat.
In this context, the enemy has located the firing unit down to a 500m radius by the time the first round fired from a new position peaks it's trajectory.
By the time the second round fired peaks, the enemy radars have the firing position coordinates down to a 10m radius and issending those coordinates on to their own counter artillery systems.
60 seconds later, those counter artillery systems are completing the final checks on bearing, elevation and ammo settings before loading.
3minutes after the mortar battery fired it's first round, enemy shells are beeing fired towards the mortar battery position.
4 to 5 minutes after the first mortar round left the tube, an enemy artillery barrage arrives at the firing position.
A towed mortar unit would, at that moment, at best, still be where the enemy shells starts raining death as they jump into their vehicles to move out after packing up their gear...
A Mjölner unit would be 50-100meters away from the firing position the enemy aimed at, moving away at 40-70kph AND protected by the armor of their vehicles.
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1) the hull, drive train, suspension and layout of the CV90 is tried and tested for both weight capacity, upgrade potential, crew comfort, ease of training ease of maintenance, ease of repair, adaptability and survivability by multiple, independent nations.
It was, after all, designed to be operated, maintained and repaired by 18-20yo conscripts fresh out of school...
2) The company that designed and builds it has been owned by BAE for decades and has already provided the Brittish army with several other long serving vehicles.
3) The CV90 hulls, suspension, tracks and drivetrain could likely be licence built in Brittish factories, ensuring parts availiability in a crisis.
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Your reflection on time and resource constraints bringing a more professional and problem solving attitude was very interesting from a Swedish perspective.
It brought the Swedish reputation for professionalism in international peace keeping/ peace forcing operations into a new context.
The new context beeing that the Swedish armed forces are built around a system of cadre officers who in peace time are serving a level below their rank and station than when mobilised along with compulsory conscript selection and compulsory training if selected for everyone at 18 since 2017 (it used to be compulsory for boys until 2006 and optional for girls between 1990 and 2006).
The conscript training lasts 7.5months for privates, 10months for squad leaders and specialists, 12 and 15 months for platoon and company NCOs respectively.
Navy does things differently in service length.
Also, the equipment used used to be rotated mobilisation stores, which meant limited availiability and anything that broke should be repaired in the field if possible or handed on to repair techs when back at base.
And considdering that those 18yo conscripts, less than two weeks out of high school who's drivers licences are so fresh the ink is barely dry on the temporary slip issued while the actual licence is made (driving age is 18 in Sweden), should be fully trained for every role assigned within those time frames, from grunts to sonar operator, attack divers, combat medics, tank commanders and strike aircraft controllers...
Under those conditions, there's little to no time for faffing about with anything that isn't absolutely essential to the service at hand.
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