Comments by "ODDBALL SOK" (@oddballsok) on "TIKhistory"
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I get the point you are making (not being an economic specialist..or, more importantly , not interested in these subjects..yuch)..but all the hammering on socialism and socialists, make you seem the capitalists..and especially the UNREGULATED capitalists seem to be the archangels for humanity.
I am sure if the capitalists can do whatever they like< then children would still be working from the age of 10, we would have 7 or 6 days workweek of 12 hours a day, and all men would be laid off by the time they reach 35 becoz the capitalists will find more cheaper and more hard working laborers elsewehere in ever desolate places..
Moderate and competent regulation is the answer..but as in all isms, once a force gets the upper hand, there is no stopping it gaining more and more control over society.
Power corrupts, whether it is socialism, communism, capitalism... it is a human thing..
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In addition to the shortsighted hindsighting blame on Gavin, 82nd, 508th; Getting the Nijmegen main bridge LAST makes sense if you consider this; The planners expected NO germans at the betuwe Island. The planners DID learn that SS corps was at Arnhem before the 17th but EXPECTED the SS to be HELD up IN Arnhem (by the 3 british columns arriving at the north ramp and thus TIGHTLY secure the ramp so that not even a tank or halftrack (as they would!) could pass).
At Nijmegen, there was LITTLE defense expected, but the planners DID expect german reinforcements coming straight from GERMANY; Kleve..thus THROUGH the Reichswald, and THUS through Groesbeek.
Thus Gavin HAD TO MAKE SECURE his LZ and defenses against strong enemy troops coming from THE EAST.
All the bridges on his west could be taken AT ANY STAGE as long as there weren't SS troops getting FROM Arnhem to Nijmegen (and even so they were supposed to be battle fatigued..).
As the smaller bridges at Grave and Mook could be EASILY blown up (and were already prepared..this info must be known by dutch resistance and thus allied intelligence), it was MORE IMPORTANT to get those IMMEDIATELY and the Nijmegen bridge last (Nijmegen bridge was NOT prepared for explosives, especially when Model would not have it!).
Decisions to assembly, organise and march to hither or tither are done BEFORE the jump. So naturally the movements of the 508th are explained with the above assessment in mind.
Unfortunately, it TURNS OUT (and that information only slowly filters through the ranks) , that the SS WERE able to move a stream of armoured vehicles PAST FROST to NIjmegen, and more importantly, more SS troops were able to get FERRIED
over in a CONSTANT STREAM via the pannerden ferry.
And THAT was the killer in the MarketGarden project; the planners simply did not think of possibilities for the germans to insert troops inbetween Arnhem and Nijmegen.
Had the planners dropped paratroops on the island (near Elst) on 17th sept than THAT would have been the key of success; the whole "island" would be (more or less) a secure supply LZ for the british and the 82nd if need be. And any attempt to ferry over german troops along the pannerdencanal would be sighted, harrassed and finally stopped by troops and called in airsupport (if radios would work)).
If one is a simpleton (John Burns), you may even blame FROST for letting Graebner (and kampfgruppe Henk!) PASS by his defense positions at the Arnhem north ramp to get to Nijmegen which eventually would prove to be too strong for the first men of 508th arriving at the Nijmegen ramp.
But in reality it is the planners to blame...
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