Comments by "Cartoon Mo!" (@cartoonmo5976) on "Chris At Speakers Corner"
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@quintessence3991
Actually, you came and made the claim that the Bible proves the Bible,
so the burden of proof is upon you, so, come, bring it, Where's your proof!?! 😂
Now, you said you can answer anything if we provide proof, so, just to clarify, are you muslim, would you be able to answer my questions if I can provide proof our scripture is legit, aswel as the early Church fathers, and Christianity in its entirety!?!
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@quintessence3991
Now now, ad hominems are a clear and evident sign one has lost the debate! 😂
You've not actually provided any sort of discrepancy or refutation to my understanding!.....
You admit sarcasm, again, sarcasm is irrelevant!....
You stated what you stated to try and assert a logical fallacy where there's none!....
But you've not stopped to think it through and realise that by doing this, you've made an indirect admission, that you believe that the quran does prove the quran!
And I know you're a muslim, it's obvious and evident by your responses, you reject our scripture, both OT and NT, which by default dictates and necessitates you reject the Torah/Tanakh, but you claim you believe in Jesus, so,
You're not Jewish, not a Christian (Obvs), and you're not an atheist/agnostic.....Because if you were then you'd have no problem stating proudly/confidently you're not a muslim, you're an.....
And the fact you're trying to avoid answering, trying to hide what you are, dictates and necessitates worry and concern that your own sources go against you/Islam, and that I know what you don't!
So, still waiting for your proof/evidence,
And I've offered proof/evidence, just waiting for the answer, are you muslim, don't you want the proof/evidence you're demanding!?! 😂
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@FormerKafir
Pot calling the kettle....!
Your cult, the doctrine, your incoherent contradictory scrapbook, hadiths, tafsirs, are nothing but Taqiyya Bid'ah pick n mix!
You all try to cherry pick verses from the Bible to claim they're true/authentic/valid when you can apply Taqiyya, but any verses that expose and bust your cult and incoherent scrapbook you then claim corruption, even though your incoherent scrapbook, hadiths, tafsirs, mainstream popular accepted credited scholars, all affirm the authenticity of our Scripture, ibn Kathir even affirms Christianity, and the early Churchfathers, which includes their works/publications by default!
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@AlonzoHarris235
Haha, you're struggling and desperately clutching at straws now Alonzo!......
You're claiming that each of the hypostasis are Triune in order to the 3 Hypostasis to be Triune, that's paradoxically oxymoronic!
Furthermore, your Al-Lah doesn't dispute the concept of Triunity, only whether the concept applies to Al-Lah, but who cares, Al-Lah has nothing to do with the Trinity anyway, and if Al-Lah has nothing to do with the Trinity, then your Al-Lah, mo, quran, are busted!
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@AlonzoHarris235
Your question is so flawed it's hilarious!....you're appealing to Modalism like 5:17 & 72, wrong!....
Go on, explain how us saying 3 Hypostasis unified by 1 Divine Nature/Substance/Esscence dictates and necessitates 3 independant Divine Hypostasis being 1 Divine Hypostasis in order to be 1!?!
If there's only 1 Divine hypostasis then regardless of the number of distinct hypostasis claimed in regards to the Divinity, the Divinity always remains as 1 (singular), so it would still be the fact and case that there's one single Divinity (god), Modalists believe in 1 god different modes,
You all believe your god unifies and is one/oneness, so, your logic now goes against you, you cannot claim tawheed/unification/oneness, because that by your logic now dictates and necessitates independant multiplicity, so there's now 99 divinitie attributes and Al-Lah, and your Hadiths affirm these are all independant parts, so, you now have 100 Al-Lahs, oh, but wait, we all have at least one of these divine attributes, so, from Adam to date, every single human hypostasis is another to add to the total number of Al-Lahs,
I'm Al-Lah, your Al-Lah, CP is Al-Lah, David Wood is Al-Lah etc etc!
What a dilemma!
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@FormerKafir
Also, by acknowledging that "The Father" is God, that proves Al-Lah isn't!
7:155-157, Isa and the injil are around during the time of Moses!
Do you seriously believe Jesus Christ was incarnate on earth carrying a book called injil with Disciples, and Christians during the time of Moses!?!
Do you seriously believe that the god of Abraham is the chief god of Abraham's people, the people of Ur, as 6:78 claims and declared by Al-Lah to be Al-Lah!?!
I challenge you right now to go and search who the chief god of Abraham's people was, and that's the name of your god and who your god is, then come back and show me that god in the Bible as "the God/Our God/the God of Abraham, Moses, Jacob, David, Solomon etc etc".
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@FormerKafir
No problem, it states and I quote...
"Al-Lah AND (Arabic wa (conjunctive)) the angels pray".
So, the catch 22, either both are praying to another, or both are co equal, which is it!?!
And if Triunity means plurality, so does tawheed, it's just more problematic for you, because your entire premise depends on the literal hypostatic divinity fallacy instead of the Nature/Substance/Esscence unity that makes the Hypostasis Divine!
Divinity makes God God!
1 Divinity (Nature, Substance, Esscence) unifies 3 Hypostasis, all Hypostasis have 1 same Divinity by default (unification)!
How many Divinities are there!?!
Your Lah,
1 literal "divine" hypostasis!
99 "divine attributes" totalling 100 divinities "unified" into the 1 single "divine" hypostasis!
100 "divinities" in total!.....
Again, Divinity is what makes God God, so, how many gods is your Lah!?!
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@FormerKafir
Also, because our God is Triune (Father, Son, & Holy Spirit) when we pray to one hypostasis we pray to all by default, so that didn't exactly work in your favour now did it!?!
You say the Trinity was made up 400 years after Jesus, well ibn Kathir as just one example refutes you in his 3:56 Arabic Tafsir, henotonky affirms, authenticates, and validates Christianity, but also our Scripture, and the early Churchfathers (their works/publications too by default)!
Even ibn Taymiyyah affirms our Scripture is legit!
So does the quran!
So do your hadiths!
But there's one problem you're still stuck with!......
7:155-157, prove Jesus was in the flesh with a scripture during Moses time!
Prove Jesus worshipped Nanna (6:78 & 36:1)!
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@FormerKafir
Haha, your quran, hadiths, and tafsirs all claim our scripture is legit, your quran claims the injil was with Isa during the time of Moses (7:155-157), prove it!
And because my God is Triune all worship goes to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, if you understood the Trinity you'd have known that, so, seen as you've proven you don't know or understand the Trinity, you're in no position to dictate what the Trinity is or isn't, it's vice versa!
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@AlonzoHarris235
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, and here's why.....
The Triune God is the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit!
If the Trinity is the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, then Jesus cannot be God alongside the Trinity!
Your logic also dictates that the Father would be Triune as a single Hypostasis and the same would have to apply to the Holy Spirit!
So, your entire premise is based on the claim/logic that triunity means that the Father should be Triune, Jesus should be Triune, and the Holy Spirit should be Triune, in order to claim the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are a Triune God (singular/1)!
That's hilarious! 😂🤣🤣....
So, you've now just claimed and appealed to 3 triune gods unified in order to be one triune god, and your version of a Triune god has now 9 hypostasis, which completely contradicts Triunity in every way, shape, and form!
And this is the premise of your entire claim! 😂🤣
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@AlonzoHarris235
Actually, Triunity proves Jesus can pray to the Father, it's not an issue when God is Triune, like I said, it's problematic for you lot!.....
Are you disputing the Arabic wa being conjunctive, you can check any and all academic sources, did hijab get it wrong when debating David Wood, he said....
"Al-Lah AND the angels pray 'FOR' not 'To'!".
He never disputed the wa, he disputed whether it was "for" or "to" in the Arabic!
Go on, say hijab was wrong, and Mansur, admit they don't know what they're talking about!
And that all dictionaries and lexicons are in error!
Bring all the proof if you're confident in your discrepancy/claim! 😂
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@northstar1690
You don't know Jack diddly squat about plants!....
A male plant flowers in order to release pollen to pollinate female plants!
A female plant flowers in order to be pollinated, because the plant is mature enough to produce offspring (seeds (children))!
The verse/translation states, "passing the flower of her age", this dictates no longer being in her prime, like say at 40 you wouldn't be in your prime like when you were 20,
The fact the "flower" would be referred to as a virgin, meaning untouched by man, this is irrelevant in regards to age/maturity, so the verse is stating that if a mature woman who has remained chaste but is past her prime and a she/a man wish to marry, then there's no sin in doing so!....
So nature has just exposed and busted your fallaciousness, ignorance, and ultracrepidarianism as does 1 Corinthians 7:38 exposes and refutes your fallacy!
Now, 4:3 & 65:4 are explicitly clear, you can marry "orphans", and before you try it, yes, the Arabic uses the word for the prepubescent!
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@AlonzoHarris235
Oh really Alonzo, the evidence proves different!.....
Ask any of my brothers and sisters here if they agree with me that we are more than happy to discuss every single part of our scripture, answer any and all questions, and if we can't, direct/refer someone to where best obtain the answers they seek, because our God, our doctrine, our Scripture Commands and dictates we do so!....
Go on, try and deny we're Commanded to preach, to study our Scripture in order that we can correctly preach, and answer questions!
It's you lot that run from your own book/sources, doctrine, questions, points/claims!....
And now, you and I can put this to the test, I'm the Christian, and I'm right here ready to go, let's see if you're ready, actually can stand your ground!....
Ready!?!
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@northstar1690
So hold on!.....
You're claiming that Deuteronomy 21:10-11 is our God Commanding/Speaking!?!😂🤣🤣.........
"Matthew Henry Commentary
By this law a soldier is allowed to marry his captive if he pleased. For the hardness of their hearts Moses gave them this permission, lest, if they had not had liberty given them to marry such, they should have taken liberty to defile themselves with them, and by such wickedness the camp would have been troubled."
And your response dictates that if a god, or a claimed prophet made/implemented such laws/commands as you described, would be unacceptable today, as much as the 7th century, as much as the time of Moses because you're disputing the law during Moses' time!
Three words for you!.....
Right hand possession!.....
You've just exposed and rejected your own god, leader, cult, doctrine, and book!
Well done, can you say "apostate is me!". 😂🤣
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@northstar1690
That has got absolutely nothing to do with my comment!
Now you say the quran honours all the prophets of Al-Lah, and then claim it clears all the prophets of Al-Lah from what's attributed to them in our Scripture......
Interesting!......
Show me one single Prophet from the Bible that's mentioned in both the quran and Bible as a prophet of Nanna (6:78)!
Show me one single verse in the quran that mentions Jesus Christ/Yahweh!
And 22:52 actually dictates and necessitates that all the prophets of Al-Lah were misguided, and the same verse contradicts 39:37, and that triggers 4:82!
So, your quran not only defeats itself, but also it condemns all its claimed prophets!
Oh, and it doesn't honour all prophets, can you provide the names, provide the scriptures, and which prophet went to which nation in regards to the claimed 124,000, and does the 124,000 include the named prophets in the quran, or are they in addition to the 124,000!?! 🤔
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@AlonzoHarris235
Oh really Alonzo, so, you're appealing to hypostatic divinity in order for your claim to stand, as in, you believe that the physical hypostasis is divine in itself, and that applies to Al-Lah by default, so,
Al-Lah has a divine hypostasis, but also divine attributes, so, your Al-Lah is multiple divinities in one divine hypostasis!
That doesn't apply to the Trinity (Trinity (1 Divine Nature/Substance/Esscence that unifies all 3 Hypostasis, and that Divine Nature/Substance/Esscence is what makes all 3 Hypostasis Divine)), I challenge you you to prove your logic and refute the Triune Logic, seen as you've made the claim!
And, 15:51-66 dictates that your Al-Lah is either 3-4,which is it!?! 😂
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@SaadI0I
See how quick your explanation has changed from it was 7th century to the times of Moses and Jesus, however, you forgot about the other verses I've referenced, and they affirm present day 7th century, not as you're trying to claim, so who/what is right, you, or the quran, and also, here's how your Taqiyya has led you to an even worse dilemma!.....
7:155-157 affirms that the injil was from the time of Moses, where the injil is, again, you affirmed it, Isa was, and then there's the fact that there's no mention of Jesus Christ in the entire quran, show me a single verse stating Yasue Al-Masih!
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@SaadI0I
First off, I don't care which or what sect you are, you're Muslim!
Second of all, Google schmoogle!..
Where in the Quran does it mention يسوع المسيح (Yasue Al-Masih (Yeshua the Messiah))!?!....
Ahmed Deedat - The Choice Vol 1 & 2 - Page 52
Deedat claims Isa is a translation of Esau NOT Yeshua!
Where in the Bible is there mention of Esau/Isa the Levite Son of Maryam, nephew of Moses (19:28 & 66:12)!?!....
Where in the Bible does it state Jesus Christ to be known by the name Esau/Isa and to be from the tribe of Levi!?!
How can Isa/Esau be Jesus Christ when Isa/Esau is hanging around with an injil during the time of Moses (7155-157)!?!
Sheikh Ahmed Musa Jibril
Life Of Isa
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Prophet Isa's Mentioned is noted in 10 different situations in the Quran. There is even an entire chapter (surah) named after Isa's mother, Maryam alyaha salam, as well as his grandparents Al-Imran alayahum asalam, who were chosen over all mankind. This Surat, Surat Al-Imran also reveals the story of Maryam alyaha salam, it outlines a description of her lineage and upbringing. It also relates the pure conception and birth of Isa alayhe salam.
Isa/Esau can't be Jesus Christ, wrong Name, wrong time, wrong tribe!....
Who is Isa/Esau!?!
And you don't respect us or our religion, you've done nothing but blaspheme against my God and disrespect our scripture with your fallacious Taqiyya!
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