Comments by "Nick Danger" (@nickdanger3802) on "TIKhistory"
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Clark heard Churchill’s use of “soft underbelly” shortly after the Moscow meeting, when he and Eisenhower took up the question of where the Anglo-Americans should strike first. In autumn 1942, he and Eisenhower explained to General Marshall, U.S. Army chief of staff:
A cross-channel operation was [then] utterly impossible. We could not even get across without the British showing us the way and taking us by the hand. We did not have the means. And so it was decided that we would take this matter up with Mr. Churchill, which we did. And that is where his persuasive eloquence first impressed me. He got up before a map with his pointer and he kept pointing to Gibraltar, North Africa, the Mediterranean, Sicily and Italy. Finally he said, “We should slit the soft belly of the Mediterranean.” Well, my friends, I assure you, when I landed at Salerno, I found it was a tough old gut!3
https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/soft-underbelly-fortress-europe/
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"Meanwhile, V weapons continued to be launched from the Neatherlands, within sight of British troops. Some went towards Britain, some went towards Antwerp, none went towards the USA."
"...suggesting that the V.2s, which landed on London on the 8th. were launched from bases in Western Holland near The Hague."
The Hague is 80 miles from Antwerp, so both of those statements can not be correct.
If Market Garden had reached Arnhem it would have been 80 miles short of the V2 sites.
You seem to be under the impression the USA was obligated to fight the war Britain started, was the entire war in Europe to be put on hold to end the V weapon threat?
The RAF bombed Peenemunde in August 1943 and accomplished little. The USAAF bombed Peenemunde three times in July and August 1944, before the first V2 was launched, when those aircraft could have been supporting ground operations. link below
MG was a British planned and led operation in the British AO. The USA provided 2/3 of the airborne and the vast majority of the air assets and there were millions of US service men in Britain, yet you seem to be of the opinion the USA's support was half assed because the USA didn't care about V2's because none were falling on the USA.
From 1942 where did Britain's tanks, APC's and jeeps come from?
"Before Alamein we never had a victory. After Alamein we never had a defeat."
Winston Churchill
In November 1942 the British Empire had it's first major land victory over the Axis in over three years at war. Montgomery refused a "request" from Churchill to attack before he had a two to one advantage in every category. In tanks and aircraft that advantage was provided by the USA through Lend Lease and brought on US flagged ships around Africa to the Red Sea.
So Britain's losses prior to MG are very relevant. If Britain had been winning before then Ike may have been inclined to give Montgomery the lead. In Sicily the USA had twice the distance to Messina, but Patton got there before Montgomery and at least one British vet claimed it was because "the Americans had it easier".
According to Max Hastings in 1945 the USA had 60 combat divisions in Europe and Britain and Canada combined had 20. So it was the USA's show to run and the USA was going to be in three times as many operations and have three times the losses.
Bombing of Peenemünde in World War II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Peenemünde_in_World_War_II
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@jonathanjonathansen Some of the major reasons I do not put the same "Value" on the USSR's Great Patriotic War losses as some people.
The Holodomor (Ukrainian: Голодомо́р; Голодомо́р в Украї́ні;[a][2] derived from морити голодом, "to kill by starvation")[3][4][5] was a man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine in 1932 and 1933 that killed millions of Ukrainians.
The Great Purge or the Great Terror (Russian: Большой террор) was a campaign of political repression in the Soviet Union which occurred from 1936 to 1938.
Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact USSR sold oil, wheat and manganese ore to Germany while Germany conquered half of Poland (USSR the other half), Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, France, Yugoslavia, Greece and Crete and lay siege to Britain with U boats and bombers.
Winter War 1939-1940 USSR took 10 per cent of Finland, territory taken is part of Russia today.
Katyn Massacre Over 20,000 Poles were murdered by the Soviet Army in the Katyn Forest of western Russia.
November 1941 Lend Lease extended to USSR. December 1941 Hitler declared war on the "neutral" USA. USSR received 11 Billion 1944 USD in goods and services and paid next to nothing. This does not bother me, but USSR fan boys who claim it didn't make any difference and/or everything was paid for, that does bother me.
175,000 Red Army soldiers were executed for crimes as minor as being AWOL for a few hours because they didn't speak Russian.
Great Patriotic War "The term is not generally used outside the former Soviet Union, and the closest term is Eastern Front of World War II (1941-1945). Both terms do not cover the initial phase of World War II in Eastern Europe during which the USSR, then still in a non-aggression pact with Germany, occupied East part of Poland (1939), the Baltic states (1940), and Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina (1940) and fought with Finland (1939-1940)."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Patriotic_War_(term)
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