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@junkim5853
Never ever happened. You're confusing phony feudalist "socialist" countries, where the rich control you, with real socialism, where the people control you. No rent, no landlords, those are all made illegal, you own your home, period, no one can take it away from you, no eviction. Fuck with your neighbors and you go to prison work camp, if you don't work, then you get no food. Every time you do it again, prison work camp for longer. Everyone has to live someplace. Live in your own home, or in prison work camp. Your choice. Bullying is forbidden by the state, prison work camp, or death if you are a real problem. All serious wealth is confiscated. You may have personal property, tools, and keepsakes. You own your own home. If you don't seek employment at the employment department, then you get no food card and can't get public free food. You have free transportation, free public health, free water and power up to a certain amount, free telecom, free access to used goods at state agencies, free access to building materials for home improvements and hobbies and supplies for gardening. Free use of trucks and heavy implements as needed. Build yourself solar and battery powered small vehicles. Shut up and enjoy your life. Bother people and its prison work camp.
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@Qrzychu92
WRONG!! In my society people do PROPERLY laudable things that are shared among everyone. Not stupid feats of inefficient acquisition of other's homes, factories, etc. They own only their own home, nobody else's, and they must work for a living instead of luxuriating off money they connived to get unfairly. Money no longer exists. You earn labor hours credit on the govt computers. If you invent something you put it online and a following grows up around it, and those who copy it name it after you. You are famous, and encouraged to make more of such. If you want to trade your home and garden for another elsewhere, we have a government run home trading site, and if two of you agree, you can trade homes, straight across, no monetary consideration. If you need a bigger home, you add on rooms and govt will share expense of materials. You ASK for what you want from your friends and neighbors at Meeting. You want to live on a boat, you can if you can get them to agree. If you only want boat or plane sometimes, then you buy a share in a boating or flying club. The more the people work, the more they can get for each other. If you want more, sign up for more than your required work hours. While you're blabbing nonsense about Venezuela, which is a capitalist country,
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@Qrzychu92
No, dumbass, I want peaceful fair society where people are economic equals. If you don't want to work your job, come home to your family and hobbies and gardening, and instead want to connive ways to steal the possessions of others, their homes and their factories, then you belong in a work camp. THAT IS WHAT THE RICH DO!!
No, Venezuela is run by a rich cabal who stole all the oil money that rightfully belonged to the people and squirreled it away in off shore Caribbean banks. But the rich are being pushed into a corner by the people of Venezuela who are trying to take back their country from the oil profiteers who enslave the poor, and the rich there are screaming to our rich here to rescue them. And our rich are pretending once again that they want to bring "freedom" to Venezuela, when they really want to bring capitalist criminal power against the will of the people wanting to make things equal and fair.
No, labor hour credits can only represent actual labor. Money is artificial, and a phony connivance used to steal. Labor hours don't become profit, which is unearned money stolen from the workers.
You can't change my mind because I have discovered the truth about economics. Your notion that my way is "evil" is actually the real evil.
All a work camp is, is a productive prison, and the only people who belong their are criminals who don't want to work for a living, like the rich. The rich are nothing but successful criminals.
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@ravenousfire7798
It's exactly like any other felony. The Majority HAS THE RIGHT to decide WHAT RIGHTS we have, period, there is NO other such authority to do so! There are NO "natural rights", those are all excuses, like the excuses of "sovereign citizens" for their crimes.
You survive against predators ONLY because we protect you and LET you use OUR monetary system. The actual state of the world without US is STILL dog eat dog, kill or be killed, war of nature, law of the jungle. Without US you are a moment away from your property being seized by some gang, your wife and daughters being enslaved and raped, and you being killed. So you OWE US whatever we demand so that we can protect you this way!! If we say YOU must give so that the weak are protected, then you pay, or you will be OUTLAW, and we will throw you out of US to be prey to anyone who wants your stuff or your family!! That is the Social Contract. You never have to sign up for it, but if you don't do what WE say, you LOSE IT!! Included in the predators who will take everything you have, if you do not submit to our Democratic Socialist rule, is the rest of US, who will now be your enemies since you have chosen to be outside our protection!! Are we just the biggest gang then? Yes, we are, but we are Democratic. Join us, or become the victim/slave of any smaller gang who will likely be the farthest thing from democratic that you could EVER IMAGINE!! And THAT is the TRUE REALITY, you MORON!!
Libertarians are greedy immature adolescent simpletons. ALL rights are granted SOLELY by the democracy, awarding rights to one another based on what we each want for ourselves as well. Without the democratic government protecting our awarded rights, no one could be assured of anything, brigands could steal from you, rape your women, kill you. Law of the Jungle, dog eat dog, the War of Nature, as Darwin put it. For that protection each person owes the rest of us the costs of defending and protecting them. The People also realize that wealth inevitably steals by usury and investment without labor, and progressively robs the less able of their right to their very lives, homes, and property. Thus the very fiscal system which we set up among us to assist the lucky in their acquisitions, itself justifies additional cost upon the lucky and the proud. Thus the people, democratically, though this Social Contract, has the right to confiscate wealth beyond a certain level, in order to provide for the needs of the ill, the malformed, the ignorant, the elderly, and those being underpaid for their labor due to the greed and connivance of the lucky. Without this Social Contract, we would invariably see a vastly wealthy nobility occur and most of the rest of us be living in filth in the streets or become their serfs, servants or slaves again. Absolute rights of wealth and property which are beyond a certain socially controlled level constitute nothing but organized criminality. Thus, actually Libertarianism is nothing but only barely disguised greed and barbarianism. If you cannot devise a FAIR fiscal system by which to live wherein you will not know in advance your fortunate or unfortunate place within it, then you are simply dishonest and disingenuous. Nature is not fair, which is why we do not use the state of nature as our governance. We took over the world and defeated all of its predators and adversities ONLY by our affectionate mutual cooperation, and those of us who did not Evolve to cooperate together on the plains of Africa were eaten one at a time and are NOT our ancestors.
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Krzysztof Skowronek
First of all, USSR had "socialist" in the name.
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Names can be lies.
Second of all, people on farms were starving all over 2 continents, because police came and took food they produce to give for free in the cities - pretty much what you are describing. People who critised the system were killed. Like you want. This was s close to Real socialism as you get. And no, I don't like the idea of it. Even if it was just few pieces of your eden, I'm pretty sure sure that putting more pieces would only make things work.
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Democratic Socialism doesn't do that, only PHONY socialism that is actually capitalist feudalism with a class of rich people who own the Politburo do that. In a REAL Democratic Socialism, rich people are not even allowed to exist.
Also, do you really thing that scientists (by that I believe you mean people that do research on universities) push progress forward?
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Yes, moron.
Who made personal computers a thing? Private company.
Who made rockets that land automatically? Private company.
If you say that NASA took us to the moon, so what? They didn't use the possibility in any other way than sticking a flag into the ground. We should had a base on the moon for like 30 years now.
Who will make the first autonomous car? Private company.
Who made smartphones? Private company.
Who builds fastest possible computers? Private company.
Who builds MRI scanners? Private company.
Who creates new drugs, cures and vaccines? Evil big pharma, those philphy capitalists. How dare they.
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No, Technology made those things possible, comes from scientists who are not paid exorbitantly, and are not rich and glamorous. We would be MUCH farther along if we didn't reward rich drones who didn't squander it by sending Tesla Roadsters to the orbit of Mars, Also, NASA was a socialist govt endeavor, as was everything we got from it, from ICs to cellphones, to the Internet. Big Pharma would make what people need, instead of what they profit from the most, if they were controlled by the People.
Also in your, society, if my job is to clean floors, do I get the same amount of "work hour credits" as the guy runs some huge factory or invents new stuff? If yes, it sucks. If not, we are not economically equal.
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We are not equal in education, but in a Socialist society you would always have the chance to continue your schooling for free and apply for better more interesting work. But ALL our families have the same needs and the right to have those needs met, whether the parents are geniuses or not. That is why we must be paid equally!!
Also, am I free to leave your country and go and live and make money somewhere else or will I get killed for even thinking about it?
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Who says there will even BE other countries? Socialism may well finally take over the world. Then where will criminals like you run to? You may well be prevented from leaving. On the other hand the People may feel it is irrelevant if you leave, as long as you cannot take any of OUR wealth with you. Why would we want someone who doesn't want to benefit our society? Now if they were a doctor or scientist we might force them to train twenty or thirty others to their level of expertise before they would be allowed to leave.
Another thing, don't you think that when single government wants to manage (and has to based on your words) manage EVERYTHING there will always be some miss management?
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Not unless the People permit it. If it violates the People's will they will kill or imprison them. If they don't then the People deserve to be enslaved till they rise up.
Please, wake up, read up on history, read just the animal farm! You are describing animal farm almost word for word. You know that it is description of USRR, right?
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Do you even know who George Orwell was? His real name was Eric Arthur Blair. He was an ardent lifelong Socialist in the UK!! He wrote 1984 and Animal Farm as a protest and warning against the phony false un-democratic un-socialism of Stalinism.
I hope you will never have a chance to realise your dream dude. You are evil
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No, I'm good. Your distortion of the REAL truth is what is evil.
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@ravenousfire7798
There is no magical source of rights for humans, no gods, no natural laws, except other humans. ONLY humans grant rights to one another by promising to desist from ever opposing your rightful actions, and/or promising to protect them. Without that only the Law of Nature is in effect, that being dog eat dog, the War of Nature, Survival of the most Vicious. Without our Social Contract you might be killed and your property stolen and your women taken and raped by anyone. You might be attacked and eaten by predators or your body ravaged by accident or diseases we know how to treat. The ultimate source of all rights is the Majority Democracy, and the ultimate source of that power is the Social Contract. The Social Contract is that you can expect protection by our group from the war of nature only if you agree to do what the Majority wants from you in return. In other words you pay whatever we all think you owe us to sustain our society in its state of civilization by which you and all of us benefit. That can include caring for others less able, just as we would care for you if you were unfortunate. Your rights to our help and protection, in other words, include the obligations that we demand of you.
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@Qrzychu92
when I was talking about starving people, I didn't say anything about rich people - it was all normal redistribution as you would call it. Police came to take all the food that farms produces. If they found out that you fed your kids with that food, you were shot dead because that food is not yours - it belongs to everyone. To feed your children you had to wait until someone decides that it your turn to get "free food" - which it was almost never enough because they killed all people that were good at farming - the same thing is happening in Africa right now - they killing white farmers and giving the land to black guys. Still sounds like paradise? This happened, it does not matter if you will call it socialism or something else.
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That was NOT democratic socialism, dumbass.
No, technologies are meaningless without application. Right now we know how to make cold fusion, but it is too hard for us to build working reactor.
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I'm a physicist. Cold fusion is a stupid fraud. No, we do NOT know how to do that.
We know how to make Warp drive for spaceships - Einstein made it possible.
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No we do not, idiot.
As for jobs, you do realize that not everyone is capable of the same things, no matter of how long and hard they work, right? And why would I want to get "better job" if there is not such thing as "better job", just harder job? If I mop floors and can do all the things that guys running factories do, without the responsibillity and stress, why would I want to change my job?
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If you can't then you can't, but your family still deserves the same care and opportunity as everyone else. That should be ENFORCED!!
I don't want to talk to you any longer - we should stop when you wrote that you are more than OK with killing people for doing anything in opposition to your system.
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You're a moron. ALL societies kill people who resist arrest if they steal and interfere with the rights of others.
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@pearcake
That's what we do now, they're called laws, and you go to prison for violating them.
Selfish thieves go to prison. As for those who don't want to work, better to let people run around in the society till they get real hungry and then they recall they are supposed to get a job. This society spends almost nothing trying to stop drugs, if we really wanted to, we could, easily. You lock the borders and execute anyone found with drugs. They get the message fairly quick, but drugs are only a problem when people have to steal to afford them. Make them cheap or free and see what happens. If we see someone fucked up we lock them up long enough to get clean. Sooner or later they figure out how not to get fucked up to the degree that we notice them. It's just a form of training. In time, drugs lose popularity as people get tired of them, and tired of being hauled in and caged. Or we just let ODs die. Either their relatives will get tired of them, or take them to rehab cages for us.
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@nicwelch
There is NO such thing as "natural rights". You ONLY have rights because other people have given you, and themselves, those same rights by agreeing to protect you, for a price. The world IS ruled by the majority. Get used to it. Without the majority, the biggest gang, to protect you, you would be subject to the only true state of nature, kill or be killed, the war of nature, the strongest win out. Gangs would rob you, rape your wife and daughters, and torture you to death, or make you their butt-slave in chains. You would be stuck living under animalistic law. But if you join the democratic collective, and seek protection, you have to surrender whatever the majority want for the privilege of their protection. And you have to follow their laws, or else they cage you, kill you, or toss you out to the predator gangs and no longer protect you. This is called the Social Contract. Look it up. You obey the democracy, or you go outlaw and take your chances. Better learn to hide real good. And if you try to join some other gang, then you better hope they are democratic or else you again wind up as a cuckolded butt-slave to the warlord king, or dead. THAT'S the Law of Nature! The ONLY way out of the Law of Nature is to join the biggest democratic gang and OBEY them. and you had better be fucking GRATEFUL!! The portion of the population who don't want to obey will kill each other, they are criminals, and being with them is like being in prison! You don't DARE turn your back, NOT EVER!!
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