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  1.  @EOTA564  And so does every other human who has been deprived and robbed by the rich. We should have killed ALL the rich nobility back in the middle ages, and forbid anyone being rich/"noble" EVER AGAIN!! Fairness RESULTS in equity, and equity IS fairness! Your claim there is a difference is nothing but a rich person's LIE!!
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  2.  @daytonjobgen8639  YES!! Eastern Block "socialism" was NOT socialism because it was NOT democratic. If you look up socialism you will find that it is by DEFINITION democratic. Else it is NOT socialism. Being Polish doesn't make you an expert when you were told that fascism WAS socialism all your life,
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  3.  @daytonjobgen8639  Those are UNdemocratic oligarcho-capitalisms run by rich elites. That says NOTHING about Democratic Socialism. where the elites have all their wealth and power confiscated. American never had famines because they seized/stole unplowed land with three FEET of topsoil from the forests we cut down. Europe had only 3 INCHES! Europe hasn't had a famine since they got rid of the monarchs and went to social democracy. America STILL has poverty, because we HAVEN'T confiscated from our elites yet! And obesity is caused by a low quality diet of poverty.
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  4.  @daytonjobgen8639  Of course not, but it was hardwoods all the way to the Mississippi so that one American said a squirrel could go from the Mississippi to the East Coast without touching ground. And I NEVER said the forests "rehealed" themselves, whatever the fuck THAT is. No, the USSR was run by the Politburo families, who were rich elites who drove in limos wearing furs to show off, had dachas on the Black Sea, and used the army to steal from collectives to sell abroad. Socialisms have NO elite rich. Russia had a shit-ton of them, they run Russia now as he oligarchs. Those were oligarchic undemocratic feudal capitalisms, NOT democratic socialisms. All you're blabbering is the propaganda of the American rich class, which is all self-serving LIES!!
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  5.  @daytonjobgen8639  No, you're just blabbering rich capitalist propaganda. Europe is doing fine with social democracy and substantially greater taxes and restrictions on corporations and the rich. Everyone in the world wants to move there for good reason!! Mao and Stalin were NOT democratic socialists, EVER!! Quit pretending they were the same. Fanatic? Anyone above moron level can see the HUGE difference. Nothing I said about the forests was wrong. YOUR MISTATEMENT of what I said WAS wrong. Everyone KNOWS the rich Politburo families ran the Soviet Union, they were the core of the Praesidium. These same oligarchs now rule Russia!! Putin is their stooge. You're the lying stooge of the rich over here.
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  6.  @SoundsSilver  Of course not. Nobody who hates something good has any grasp of it.
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  7.  @kd84afc  People will work if they are denied food if they don't. If they don't stay employed they get no free food card. You have NO idea what Socialism is!
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  8.  @downeybill  There is NO "money pot" and it doesn't 'run out'. In socialism you are required to work to get free food.
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  9.  @redwater4778  Nobody needs to borrow money. This isn't a pyramid scheme.
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  10.  @kd84afc  DO what?
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  11.  @kd84afc  Clearly you're desperate now and fresh out of brains.
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  12.  @kd84afc  You're a dumbass, you seem to be able to write, somehow, but not to read anything I wrote, you intentionally illiterate stupid son of a bitch.
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  13.  @dors.sc1  Socialism does NOT rely on "other people's money", it confiscates ill-gotten wealth by taxes and collects the normal tax contributions of us all to return that to all of us as services fairly.
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  14.  @dors.sc1  Whenever one person's income is higher than another's for the same workhours, that difference is stolen and must be returned. All unearned speculation profit or usury is also theft and must be returned to the People.
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  15.  @dors.sc1  No, what you get shouldn't be decided by others, only the People's State can do it fairly. And how much you produce doesn't matter, everyone's family has the right to have their needs met. The so-called "free market" isn't free and fair. We all need products that are produced by low-skilled workers, and our need justifies that they be paid the same decent wage we all expect. As long as someone's best efforts meet the needs authorized by the People, then they deserve to be paid the very same as anyone else. You're just fishing for a way that people who are more lucky can be paid more than those who are less lucky, and that is a CRIME!! It is a form of partial SLAVERY for you to have someone work for YOU and make less than YOU do when you work for THEM!! You are STEALING that proportion of their labor hours.
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  16.  @dors.sc1  THIS so-called "society" IS the dystopian dream. We want you to wake up from it.
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  17.  @kd84afc  Absolutely.
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  18. Actually neither term is well-defined.
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  19. No, Hitler was a fascist. He did NOT believe in democracy, he did NOT implement socialism. He only used those words to bamboozle the workers parties that were big in DE at that time.
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  20. None of what you just blabbered is true. Marx is a hero to much of the world, including Europe, statues of the big three, Marx, Gandhi, and Einstein are all over Europe. What you just blabbered is a distortion that the rich tried to inject into the US school system after WWII. Venezuela is NOT socialist. It is a welfare state run by fascists that just barely feeds their people enough to keep them pacified so the rich oligarchy can keep funneling that nation's petro-dollars out of the country into unregulated Caribbean banks. Chavez was a total fraud, and now Maduro is doing the same thing. It is all collapsing now.
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  21. NO, that's the LIE that if you accept your slavery it is somehow "fair", about as "fair" as being robbed and acquiescing because you don't wish to be shot instead.
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  22.  @loubieloujones5698  You don't even know what an argument IS!
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  23. Doesn't matter, he's a complete dumbass.
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  24.  @dancroitoru364  No! None rich NOR poor! All equal! Beautiful century-enduring homes with gardens and ponds for ALL, but NO mansions, limos or yachts!
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  25.  @bootstrapperwilson7687  And what now does that show us?
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  26. None of those were socialist either. Ask a political science major.
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  27. Did the People of either all get paid the same for their hour of work? Did they all have a guaranteed home no one could take away from them? Did they all have free health care? If not, then it WAS NOT SOCIALISM!!
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  28. You mean, nobody has tried it yet. Why? Because the rich fight tooth and nail against it, it would mean the end of their wealth. Any purely capitalist state would have a communist revolution inevitably. That's why capitalists want only enough socialism to keep them from seeing the bad end of a guillotine!!
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  29. No, it's a fact. I'm NOT saying that "nobody knows" and therefore my supposition is correct. THAT WOULD be an "argument from ignorance". I'm saying simply that no government so far has actually been Socialism, as I define it, which I can readily describe to you without any hairy-fairy pipe-dreams. And my form requires NO modification of the human character. You must simply make it so terrifying to cheat that nobody dares even think of doing it. Then cooperation grows as an ethic among a people who sees that it works. I know EXACTLY what strict laws are required by a Socialist government of the People in order to meet the definition of a Socialism. It has never before been tried by my definition, and I can be highly specific about what it requires. It has not even ever before been tried by the political science definition either, which is available in textbooks. Centrally controlled production of food was a disaster in the former USSR because it was corrupt from top to bottom and didn't enforce severe consequences on dissidents and subversives. The USSR was NOT Socialist, the Politburo families were a rich elite who stole lots of the production and sold it abroad to feed their craving for luxuries. Tanzania was a corrupt dictatorship with no interest in the people at all. When in WW II England absolutely forced farmers to grow more crops and their own vegetables for local consumption with harsh threats of confiscation of farms, the people did it just fine, producing in one year nearly twice the food they had produced the previous year. Control works, if it is absolute and corruption is weeded out by multiple layered investigation, confiscation, and torture and death penalties for defrauding the People. None of the events you cited was Socialism. Socialism is NOT theft, it cannot BE theft, it is stealing back what was stolen by the rich. You are a capitalist liar, you would be put to work in a work camp for spewing that nonsense. The robber doesn't GET to complain about having to return what he has stolen!!
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  30. No, that's an out and out lie. You're the kind of shitty little devious capitalist liar who will say absolutely anything to disparage Socialism. Socialism has NEVER been tried, NO supposed socialism ever guaranteed homes for all, NO supposed socialism ever guaranteed equal wage per hour for all, NO supposed socialism ever guaranteed free health care for all, etc. If they did not do those things then they WERE NOT actual Socialism!!! Your merry little tale is nothing but paranoid blabber with NO principle, NO evidence, NO content at ALL!! Socialism has NEVER BEEN TRIED!! Corrupt dictators do NOT institute socialism!! Africans are uneducated, they don't have the savvy to grasp what they are getting. It takes an educated populace to force true Socialism, unless it is handed to them and imposed. The Brits did what they needed to do to feed everyone. They are a basically decent society that feels obligation to do what is needed to meet the real needs of the People. They not only carried that through in war, but for several years afterword to feed the rest of Europe!! You have been brainwashed with capitalist lies, you have no ability to discern their falsehoods. You were raised with a terror of collectivism bred into you by propaganda paid for by the rich!! They spent a fortune brainwashing people like you!!
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  31. I have defined the prerequisites for TRUE Socialism. NO marketeer is "liberal". People know what is unfair. THEY decide what is evil. They all know it, they are just waiting for the chance to enact the measures to stop it! You "demonstrated" NOTHING. All you did was PRETEND that dictatorships and greedy elitist oligarchies were "socialism", when they NEVER met MY prerequisites. We haven't got a TRUE Socialism yet on this planet, but this planet is small, and time is long. All you've got is veiled attempts at insult, "hysterical screeching" "credibility" "shrieking and complaining", etc. You got nuthin'. Painful for me? I'm a retired physicist, I won't live to see the planet go Socialist, but it will, baby, oh it will!!
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  32. No, the rest of the world does NOT agree with you, quit deluding yourself and spewing lies!!! They haven't decided that I'm evil yet!! The mob IS in charge, you know, they could do so if they wished, and they could kill all the rich overnight if they wished. All you got is insults about "screeching", you got nuthin' of substance, nothin'. You obviously have nothing you can say to my statements, and YOU KNOW IT!!!
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  33. Simple, they both have the same needs, as do their families. Are their families brain surgeons? They should both be paid the same for their hour of work. Their education should be completely paid for by the People's State. Anyone who can prove successful at education should have it paid for.
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  34. You give him nowhere to go.If he goes, his educational degrees are canceled and his savings are confiscated. Or you socialize the whole world so he can't go anywhere. If he shows signs of acting stupid or subversively greedy, you fire him as a brain surgeon and hire him as a ditch digger. That should teach him the appropriate lesson. We only want doctors who WANT to be doctors at the wage the People are fairly paying them. Anyone else we should NOT trust to treat our People.
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  35. You assign enough people to it and enough advanced equipment so that it isn't that hard. Or else you divide unpleasant jobs among everyone equally, each block gets to drive the garbage truck to the next block, picking up that block's garbage along the way. It is assigned by day. People with no education need work to live. Eating is an incentive. The jobs that are on the board that the People want done are the only way to get a meal ticket or buy groceries, otherwise they starve. This has always been so. Encouragement, incentive, when it finally comes down to it, is starvation. Housing is free, it's yours forever, as is health care, transport, a certain amount of power, telecom, but if you refuse to work no one is allowed to give you food, on pain of torture.
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  36. Now you're repeating yourself, trying to get an answer you can use against me. Futile. Another way of hiding behind your question, the oldest dishonesty around. Read my answer for comprehension this time, instead of phrase-mining for your net come-back. Repeating: You assign enough people to it and enough advanced equipment so that it isn't that hard. Or else you divide unpleasant jobs among everyone equally, each block gets to drive the garbage truck to the next block, picking up that block's garbage along the way. It is assigned by day. People with no education need work to live. Eating is an incentive. The jobs that are on the board that the People want done are the only way to get a meal ticket or buy groceries, otherwise they starve. This has always been so. Encouragement, incentive, when it finally comes down to it, is starvation. Housing is free, it's yours forever, as is health care, transport, a certain amount of power, telecom, but if you refuse to work no one is allowed to give you food, on pain of torture.
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  37. No, it doesn't need to be centralized. Jobs are performed close to home, so the local community decides what they want to pay to have done. The features of the requirement to work are universal truths, they don't depend on the economic system. If people don't work, they don't get food, been true since the paleolithic. Why did you imagine otherwise? Did you imagine I was some fool who thought everything could be FREE, FREE, FREE, like some SJW bozo? The difference between capitalism and socialism is that there are no rich and there are no poor, and the formerly rich starve if they don't work just like anyone else. I have no problem with starving people, and if someone interferes with that righteous process they DESERVE to be tortured. It's subversive of the Socialism. That's how we got the rich, letting people not work!! No, the torture in capitalism is merely subtle and not specified. The "freedom" to sleep under a bridge in the rain, etc. People never know whether they will starve to death or whether they can rob someone else and get away with not working. This encourages crime and unfairness. This is the heart of desperation. Better to know exactly what you must do to be secure and safe. You don't need monolithic states, you can have lots of communities that do all these same things. It's like a big tribe, you do your work or nobody feeds you. Pure? Not MY claim. There isn't any such thing. TRUE Socialism merely meets the requirements of the People, not any elite. Once again, you've blabbered a pile of brainwashed nonsense and imagined that you're intelligent. You're not.
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  38. And they deserved it if they wouldn't work for the fair wage determined by the People. If you lie to the People then you deserve censure. Yes, compulsion and threats are what is called law and order. We use it for all sorts of things already, we just need to use it for a few more. Prosperity of the kind YOU mean comes from theft. Prosperity of the kind I mean comes from working your job and accepting your fair equal rate of pay and saving for what you want to buy and enjoying your hobbies. You can buy things that I can buy too, if I save the same way. If I can't, then you can't either!! If you don't come back from holiday your bank account is canceled and your property is confiscated and given to others who need it. We don't need subversives, you're free to leave and leave more for the rest of us. In fact you may not be allowed to come back. People don't "appear" to be more prosperous than others in the way you mean. They got it by stealing.
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  39. Doctors in socialist Europe see the advantages of living in Europe far surpass any increase in wage they could get in the states, and the working conditions are far better, no paperwork. No headaches from billing, no insurance companies denying, no patient problems with compliance because of exorbitant drug costs, No malpractice insurance to pay. Etc. Doctors in socialist medical systems don't leave!!
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  40. All a matter of degree. Europe is sociallized, more than socialist, but they are on the road. Yes,here, the upper 30% of the population seems to be hail and happy. They get to buy pretty much everything they want, but at the expense of the rest of the people. By the People, I mean the deprived, the victims of this theft, usually a majority in severely capitalist countries. You can stop blabbering about "the People" now, you only sound stupid. Many socialized medical systems in Europe either pay malpractice insurance from a fund, or strictly limit awards and judgments and use professional courts instead of economically angry juries. No, you have no "long lines" there. In the NHS you can get an appointment today or tomorrow, try that with US specialists, a month to two months out!! We need MORE physicans, time to take the quota off medical schools and force them to take all comers.And yes, the next thing that need to be stopped is private inequitable medical care. Take what is paid by the rich for that, with confiscatory taxes, and use it for the national health. I've seen the stats on migratory physicians, just as many US doctors go to Europe and socialized medical systems as come here imagining to make out like a bandit. The statistics deny that they come for the pay, usually electing to work in public health. New tits? Should be illegal except for restorative purposes. No government should subsidize unnecessary surgeries. If we have a problem with doctors leaving, we can alter our system of educational credentials to make it impossible for them to be apprised by another system. Or, as I said, make it impossible to take any wealth with them. We can also train more doctors, but at a less specialized course of study, or divide up the specialties differently, or train more specialized physician's assistants and surgeons specialized in only specific surgeries, like the NHS does. This has reduced "doctor flight" in recent years. We can also close the borders to doctors, under national security edicts, or force them to completely train a cadre of replacements before they are allowed to leave. We don't actually want greedy subversives, corrupts the national honor and character. We'll let them go and import immigrants who share our ideals.
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  41. ALL systems, ALL governments, ALL that ever have been or ever will be, require their imposition by FORCE!! Humans are imperfect, but their lives can be MADE nearly fair and almost perfect by the imposition of LAW and ORDER!! We can permit breast alterations, but only at home by amateur untrained personnel, that should make them unpopular quite quickly!!! Zimbabwe isn't socialist, don't you know that? They failed to institute it or confiscate land or wealth. Do YOU want to live in a country where they reuse needles? No wonder they come to the UK. http://www.solidarity-us.org/node/4616 I have seen lots of doctors come here for the standard of living, and the level of medical technology, not so much for the pay. I know several doctors from the US who tried private practice and quit in disgust and moved to Europe where they work for government health services. The NHS is amazing, literally every person with a traumatic injury gets a CT scan. in the US that is maybe half. Standard of care far exceeds US standards. They intubate at the scene, we don't, they anaesthetize at the scene, we don't, they reduce pneumothorax at the scene, we seldom do. They have doctors on most of their ambulances in the cities. We do not!
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  42. Work the job you are given or starve. Your choice. Same as now. Mugabe is an idiot, but he had a true shithole to work with. I respect the life he found himself in, but he could have done better if he hadn't sucked up to the Brits. I wasn't talking about addicts and needles, I was talking about many shithole African so-called hospitals re-using needles!!
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  43. AGREED!! They were really great for all the rich thieves of the nobility. However, people are now deciding that they want to be treated fairly and equally. They are no longer convinced that the rich are set above them by god!! Now that they have awakened there is a good chance that they will drag the bastards out into the street and set fire to them and kill them.
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  44. No. Technological advances proceeded IN SPITE of the limiting undirected capitalist milieu. In the late middle ages, early Science proceeded in SPITE of the unfriendly atmosphere and religion of the times. Social programs were ALSO developed and fought for in SPITE of the resistance of capitalists. BOTH scientific and technological advancement AND social programs were limited by capitalism, we would have been far ahead of where we are now had we a decent Socialist popular government that actively supported and directed technical and scientific research, and the social programs would be inherent in that very Socialist governance. And no, those "murdeted millikns" were NOT victims of Socialism, since the example nations were NOT socialist at all, but were instead oligarchic feudal capitalism!!!
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  45. No, Socialism murdered no one. There has NEVER BEEN a fully Socialist government, and Europe has come closer than all others. The nations you cite were NOT socialist, they were oligarchic feudal capitalism. They did NOT do what a Socialism would do, they did what a greedy elite does in any kind of repressive society. They did NOT meet the People's needs, they weren't Democratic, the People were not guarantees the things they have a human right to, they were not paid equally for their hour of work, and they were subjugated by a rich elite in all of those cases. Their oligarchic masters merely CLAIMED they were socialist in order to deceive their people. And the USA gladly played along, our rich elite wanted to label them socialist when they actually weren't in order to scare OUR people away from socialism!! ALL societies require compulsion, the issue is to what end, fairness, or unfairness.
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  46. It's NOT any "excuse", it is a FACT!! No one can name ANY nation which "tried" socialism and "failed". None!! They either succeeded wildly, like Europe, which is getting more and more socialist, and its people more and more happy with it, or else you will try to point to dictatorships and greedy power oligarchies running a feudal capitalist hegemony of the rich which underpay all their workers and enjoy luxury vacations twice a month!! And those are NOT socialism AT ALL!! They don't meet the textbook definition or even the layman's daffynition!!!
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  47. Those are all different. A few former Soviet bloc nations are STILL Socialist and their people quite happy with it, like the best places in Europe. Nobody seems to know that, Americans especially. Vietnam is very happy with its government, their constitution was designed after the British government by Ho Chi Minh, who the US called "communist", but he was no more extreme than the British liberal PMs. He just wanted the greedy Europeans out of his country. The Vietnamese are the ones who ended the Pol Pot regime!! Cuba never had much of a chance against the US efforts to destroy them,, but they instituted urban farming and fed their people VERY will in spite of the US blockade. Also, they supplied doctors and hospitals to most of south America. They still do! Venezuela was NEVER socialist, Chavez and his cronies shipped all the nation's oil wealth offshore into unregulated Caribbean banks. I haven't researched the others. But in each case cited by the insane right-wing, there was NO socialism in place. Only dictatorship and underpayment of workers, and the dictator and his henchmen running off with the loot. If the right-wing couldn't find a "failed socialism" to point to, they would have to create one so they didn't look stupid.
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  48. They didn't fail by much. Their mistakes were: The cult of personality around Fidel. The failure to teach their people political analysis. The imprisonment of some opponents, rather than discrediting them through argument. The lack of total democracy to the local level. The rest of their failures were due to the embargo, a virtual blockade, since other countries were threatened out of trading with Cuba by the USA. Their emphasis on defense in place of bettering the housing of their people was totally understandable given Bay of Pigs fiasco. ALL the USA proved is that no socialism can succeed when it is on a sandy island with few natural resources, and is being blockaded and threatened along its borders. In other words the USA proved nothing, and Cuba is still sort of communist and still there. The Sovs sent military weapons, not food, not iron or steel, not cement or critical metals like aluminum, no fossil fuels. That was what Cuba lacked.
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  49. Yup, yup, yup!! Agreed!! StrongAgreeMsg!
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  50. "tedius"? Why is it that people who can't think also can't spell worth a shit? Oh, yeah, that's why! Political Analysis does NOT involve Marxian dialectic, that's old hat. ALL you have to do is get them to ask the questions: Why aren't I owed a share of the earth to live on, I was born here like everybody else??!! Why do I have to pay rent or mortgage, monthly tribute, to some asshole who was born just as squalling and stupid as I was in the same delivery room?? Why can't I be paid the same as anyone else, my family has the same needs!!?? Why can't I get govt paid healthcare, I can't work when I'm sick!!?? Why can't I get free education, I can't possibly do a decent job before I'm educated?? Why can't I get a decent retirement, I did my bit!?? Etc. Once people realize that they have the choice to gang up on and kill the rich in their sleep they want a machine gun!!! Venezuela is a feudal oligarchic capitalist dictatorship, quit trying to jam it in illegitimately as some kind of proxy "socialism" for your stupid right-wing nutbar strawman arguments!!!!
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