Comments by "chris sonofpear1" (@chrissonofpear1384) on "Jubilee" channel.

  1. To be fair, though, @RainyGhost , I believe her intent was to compare the impulses, and consider if they should be viewed as alarming or not, in their own right? Not merely on the issue of consent? Still, I may have misread her meaning.
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  2. Well, I don't mind that they seen themselves as trying to 'save' people. But that does require some effort to see how it's INTERPRETED, including the backstory. And not just giving up and saying people have a 'carnal nature' if they do not, ah... get it.
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  3. I think she mean't that both seemed to 'feel' right/normal, at time? The attraction, that is?
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  4.  @hahdakdahkdhalsla  Premise, my ass. If people have no choice in their sexuality, and Matthew 5:18 applied, then many got signed a death warrant, for much of church history. And loving the free will of a few over their many victims seems like curious love. Many were wolves in very priestly looking, sheep clothing.
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  5. So what of omissions, in the story? And did Eve know of the stakes to more than her and Adam?
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  6. From what I can tell, she based the logic on them both experiencing a 'powerful attraction', and was focusing more on the desire, than the acting upon.
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  7.  @congaudeant  Actually, I hear she is a post Reconstructionist Jew, who's ideas tend to be a lot more agnostic and culturally focused, than strictly religious traditional?
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  8. Yes, same as the silly 'Eve rebelled first, so none of her female descendants' (After the fruit!) should ever be trusted with authority...
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  9. Or did they mean in a fully objective, definition, unconnected to social or cultural terms?
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  10. There are dozens of ways to 'know' the Bible, and a variety of churches, so can we clarify THAT?
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  11. Do humans inherit WEAKENED free will from Adam and Eve, Orinoco?
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  12. Like, maybe, in Romans 31:17...?
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  13. Hey, he took eye off the ball. Left Paul to make definitions, and muck up a simple word like 'natural'. Plus, further thoughts on Revelations 3:1, Matthew 16:28, and Isaiah 45:7?
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  14.  @justinhageman1379  Excellent point. Partner that with Romans 13:1... then find a way for schisms to be peaceful. Or brief. Sans armed conflict.
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  15. Well, as I so far see it, @Bi Curious Dirt Bike Boi , she was maybe not so much talking about the behavior, as about the impulses, behind both such attractions, and if they should be viewed with alarm or not. Not so much the issue of consent or propriety. Still, theists do often confuse me, especially about what is 'natural' or not.
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  16. Might well be. Also, depends on anti to what KIND of Christian concepts...
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  17. I DO myself hate some dogmas, pretty hard, I must admit, as a agnostic and major critic of some theology. But I try not to let it colour all I meet.
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  18. She may have a slight, er, tunnel vision?
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  19.  @sarahvince1767  But, in which, God? And why was any human, put at risk? To prove WHAT point, to irrational Satan?
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  20. It is a complex one, and easy to get wrong. Not that I suspect she had an answer?
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  21. Constantly. And getting into debate.
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  22. I see no proof from Revelations that we will even be living, in heaven. On a perfected Earth, yes - in heaven, no. And why were medieval Jews not loved by Him? Not worth lifting a finger for, at times, it seems.
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  23.  @emperorsponge9208  Sorry, I am talking about PREDESTINING people here, as that is what Romans 8:29 and 2 Timothy 1:9, SEEMS, to err, imply. As do the following. He hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will. Ephesians 1:4-5 God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned. 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began. 2 Timothy 1:9 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation. Jude 4
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  24.  @thatonemessyartist1760  Though I'd also be worried why being a Christian is so variable, what Satan is or isn't authorised to do, and why he kept any powers or was owed any passage to this world, at all? And no matter how many try to sell it to me, I CANNOT yet see how TWO people can meaningfully choose for ALL humans after them, to become separated from God, by one act, in Eden. Not with being fully consistent with free will, volition, etc.
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  25. So - what is the difference? Between a cult and a religion? Do we have a list?
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  26.  @bladimirhernandez2983  Then tell me what the intention of Matthew 27:25 and 1 Corinthians 10 was, towards Jews in Christendom later. And the Curse of Ham's son, plus Leviticus 25:46, towards slavery later. And Matthew 5:18 and related matters, to gay people and what happens to them by DEFAULT or not, in Christendom? And how do people KNOW which interpreters have the Holy Spirit, and which are, say, errant popes, theologians, Inquisitors or other nutjobs? Unless that WAS part of the Lord's interpretation, somehow.
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  27. Kind of the other way around, considering a lot of the last 1200 years of history.
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  28.  Tan Tan  And when a larger forum is involved, in direct communication with God (and larger than the Fatima incident, perhaps?) this made lead to further clarification, then...?
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  29. Well, which, or how many gods? And competent, none self sabotaging ones?
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  30. Prob not 'true Christians' or something. I at times wonder how they can tell?
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  31.  brinabrina  But will still allow many to come to power, ala Romans 13:1, or even to become Popes, or inquisitors at times? And then not impede them? Wasn't what they did more 'detestable' than working on Sabbath?
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  32.  @hahdakdahkdhalsla  It's called HISTORY - I suggest, you look it up. Inquisition, and all. Messy pogroms, and all. And no, saying Catholics 'are not true Christians' isn't going to cover all the bases here. So, this 'hating' of the wicked is presumably larger to, that God does, than His 'hating' of messengers who just give flipping bad news, in Numbers 14, presumably? But oddly, does not always resort in Him doing, jack all.
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  33. Yikes. Welcome to alternative factville - population... lots.
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  34. Yet it also says before you were in the womb you were known - and then talks about the 'natural man', and the reprobates, and occasionally, spawn of Satan. So I think this may perhaps fall into the category of having a cake, as well as eating it...?
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  35. @Peyton Wenz One would have to ask what she meant by 'a sin', which can mean to rebel, err, misthink or be tempted astray; or to 'miss the mark'. The ideas are not as clear cut always as one might think. Added to this that homosexuality still appears to occur in nature anyway, and not just in humans...
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  36.  @mrnate2910  Remind me if sin means to rebel, to err, or to miss the mark? And then if only humans can do this? And can gods, conceivably, miss the mark as well? Plus, how is this defined if humans have a hereditary 'sin nature' passed onto them, that some say 'inclines us towards sin'...?
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  37.  Christian Soldier  You'll offer sources for the former, naturally?
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  38.  @greenergrass4060  but half the time in history, one half of believers warred with the other half? And often seemed to hate them, too. But for many illiterate peasants, there was barely differences between them, on each side.
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  39.  @MShreefUK  So was this before or after Occasionalism became a major aspect, of it?
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  40. Seems any philosophy can wander off the original plan. Even JESUS's, at times.
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  41. I know. I was kinda being glib about it...
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  42. But in WHICH GOD, though, @Jocelyn Rd ? And pardon me, but doesn't Revelations say we come back to THIS world, anyway?
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  43.  @stephanycanales6350  Is she? If not, maybe she can EVEN answer WHY Adam can 'chose' for us, and if he knew or not, if he could 'give' away anything, to Satan...
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  44. So, was pr£ Flood p£opl£, and £sau, and m£di£val J£ws, also lov£d th£ sam£? I had wond£r£d,
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  45. And for info on WHY Satan could reach this world, and what Eve knew of him? And of fate of captives in Numbers 31:17?
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  46. A Rabbi is a Jewish theological teacher, who's main work is interpreting the scripture/Torah, and finding out (to their mind) how the verses fit together, and what to do when they sometimes seem contradictory. Or which intent takes priority.
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  47. So were pre Flood people, Ham's kids, Esau, and medieval Jews, ever loved less?
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  48. In what? Why could demons reach Earth at all? Why so many problems with blood or with torture? And why was heaven ever unstable?
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  49. Did He love Spanish medieval Jews, also, though, @Nahome Yirdaw ? As in, enough to DO anything on their behalf?
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  50. Erm, I'm no expert - but many disagree. Proof? And what is a 'natural man', ala 1 Corinthians? Do they choose to be - natural? Given the odd way Paul uses the word?
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