Comments by "Janie Swanson" (@janieswanson2549) on "JRE Clips" channel.

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  13.  @Indrave_2274  "You did say owning a phone means someone doesn't practice veganism because they contain animal-derived materials - just in another comment." Quote it. When you try to find a quote maybe you will read it slower and see that I never said that. "So I guess lying is alright as long as it suits your ego." That's what you're doing. Stop projecting. "My assumptions are pretty fair considering your intellectual dishonesty - something vegans seldom have." If by "pretty fair" you mean "literally wrong" then sure. Vegans don't exist in the modern world. If you eat or use animal products you're literally and technically not vegan by definition. "What is your idea of a proper vegan?" Pretty simple. A person who does not eat or use animal products. Convenient for me because that is the definition of "vegan." "Someone living in a cardboard box that lives off particulates in the air? Cause this whole "possible and practicable" thing is not some kind of tangible value." Another assumption as expected. "possible and practicable" is part of the "veganism" doctrine and doesn't make someone vegan. "I remember you said "Vegans don't exist." Oh really?" Yep, really. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. Name one person that doesn't eat or use animal products. Just one. "So I guess animal rights activists can't be called good people because they're not saving animals every waking moment of their lives?" Why do you continue to type fan fiction? I never said this. "I think you need to look up what "practicable" means" Okay. practicable (adjective) - able to be done or put into practice successfully. It is possible and practicable to stop using youtube's routers and servers (made with animal products) to reply to me. Yet you continue to do it proving you don't follow the veganism doctrine. "Meticulously scouring one's lifestyle for minute instances of unnecessary actions does not fall under that definition." I know this. I am just pointing out the blatant uses of animal products. If you eat or use animal products you're not vegan. If you eat or use animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid then you don't practice veganism. It is possible to practice veganism while not being vegan. This is where many of you virtue signaling liars get confused. It is currently not possible to be vegan in the modern world. Pretty simple. No need to overcomplicate the definitions. More assumptions, lies, and fan fiction. Try again.
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  14.  @Indrave_2274  Why would I use google definitions when the Vegan Society's definitions are the official definitions? Still can't find the quote that you lied about? Give up yet? "As you can see, your statement that "it is possible to practice veganism while not being vegan" is incorrect." As you can see you lied again. "See, I can use definitions to make me look smart too." You cherry picked definitions. That doesn't make you look smart. It makes you look desperate. "Not necessarily. According to the "possible and practicable" aspect of veganism, if someone is starving on a desert island, they are still vegan if the kill an animal to survive." Making inane comments on youtube isn't survival. Try again. "I can only wonder why you go through so much trouble trying to be the semantics police." Says the person cherry picking definitions to fit your own personal bias instead of using the official definitions. "It's hard to imagine it's anything other than an illogical hatred toward vegans that stems from something else." I don't hate vegans. I don't hate unicorns or fire breathing dragons either. It must suck to have to make things up to push a narrative. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. This is the official definition of "vegan" created by the Vegan Society. "Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose;" This is the official definition of "veganism" created by the Vegan Society. Notice they are different words with different definitions? Veganism is a doctrine about a lifestyle and is not the definition of a person. Failure or success at practicing veganism doesn't make you vegan. To be vegan you simply must not eat or use animal products. To practice veganism you simply must not use animal products when possible and practicable to avoid them. No need to overcomplicate things. I win.
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  16.  @Indrave_2274  "Not ad hominem, just my honest opinion. I did find your quote, however:" Name calling instead of addressing the argument is an ad hominem attack... Aww....you found a quote and the context is about being "vegan" not practicing "veganism." I maintain the two are different words with different definitions. You can indeed practice veganism while owning a phone. I understand emergency use of a communications device does fall under the doctrine of "veganism." That said, it is made with animal products and does not fall under the definition of "vegan." So owning or using a phone means you're not "vegan." "Individual people aren't vegan because of the asphalt on the roads?" Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or "USE" animal products. This is the official definition of vegan created by the Vegan Society. Asphalt roads are made with animal products and using them means you're using animal products. "That makes no sense under the official definition of vegan by the vegan society, as choosing not to drive isn't necessarily practicable." What doesn't make sense is you're again conflating the words "vegan" and "veganism." The definition of "vegan" has nothing to do with "possible and practicable." "You know, as consistent as you probably appear to yourself, you omitted a part of the official vegan definition when listing it." You're lying again. Vegan and veganism are still different words. "Care to share since you're so good at being honest?" I guess I will cut and paste a previous reply. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. This is the official definition of "vegan" created by the Vegan Society. "Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose;" This is the official definition of "veganism" created by the Vegan Society. Notice they are different words with different definitions? Veganism is a doctrine about a lifestyle and is not the definition of a person. Failure or success at practicing veganism doesn't make you vegan. To be vegan you simply must not eat or use animal products. To practice veganism you simply must not use animal products when possible and practicable to avoid them. Try reading slower this time.
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  17.  @Indrave_2274  "Yeah you've definitely got some problems 😂." More ad hominem as expected. "Just understand that people, myself included, will continue to call ourselves vegan because truthfully, these semantics are unproductive." I understand that virtue signaling liars and hypocrites will continue to be virtue signaling liars and hypocrites. "This is because the basic, common-sense definition of a vegan who is someone that doesn't needlessly torture animals for their taste pleasure." And another unofficial definition because you refuse to accept the actual definitions. You're fine using products made with animal products from the same animals that everyone else uses. Using "taste" as an excuse to be a hypocrite is funny. "And that is where the possible and practicable issue comes into play:" Again, that is the veganism doctrine and not the definition of vegan. "You saying vegans don't exist because they don't fit the definition is like saying good people don't exist because they're not perfect exemplifications of what "good" is defined as." I am literally and technically correct. You're free to remain in denial of the facts as it won't change them. Still waiting for that quote. "You did say owning a phone means someone doesn't practice veganism because they contain animal-derived materials - just in another comment." Keep looking. Maybe one day you will find it. You could ask your parents for help. Anything else? Are you going to continue using fan fiction to justify your intentional and needless use of animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid? It baffles me that you people think replying to me or making inane comments is a necessity of life.
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  18.  @Indrave_2274  "I like how you think definitions translate into how the real world could work." Okay... "It's ironic that you're just objectively wrong about how people could conduct themselves with regards to veganism, as if your idea of someone following the ethical principle of veganism (possible and practicable) to a tee would not be the shittiest experience ever. " I see... So you justify your denial and hypocrisy because convenience and entertainment is more important than simply being honest. "Remember, well-being is one of the major variables when considering what is vegan and what is not." You continue to justify using animal products for convenience and entertainment. "So in conclusion, if you value well-being, then yes, unnecessary things like replying to you do culminate into something that can be called necessity." You would have never seen this comment if you weren't using animal products needlessly in the first place. So you were justifying your own hypocrisy before you ever found me to reply to. "We simply could not function on an individual, let alone societal level if everyone tried to employ your "definition" ideology." Sure we could. You virtue signaling liars and hypocrites think you have to lie and be hypocrites to help animals for some reason. It's entirely possible to help animals without lying about being vegan or lying about practicing veganism. It turns out "not lying" is harder than just being honest. "I encourage you to think about how your life would be if you tried to follow your own advice. " I already do. I don't lie and practice hypocrisy to virtue signal to strangers on the internet. " Meaning, anything that is technically not a necessity is off-limits;" I never lied about being vegan or pretended to practice veganism so these things don't apply to me. "But I suppose anything that's not a definition is just "babble" lmao." You're free to derail this to ethics and morals as long as we stop talking about liars and hypocrites like yourself. "Nothing you have said thus far holds any significance in reality." You're confusing the facts I used with your own personal fan fiction. Simply put. You're not vegan if you eat or use animal products. That doesn't mean that reducing your personal use of animal products is a bad thing. You're not practicing veganism if you use animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid. That doesn't mean that reducing your personal use of animal products is a bad thing. Anything else? Just more inane babble and justifications for being a liar and a hypocrite?
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