Comments by "Ameni0" (@Layde36) on "Second Thought"
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@juliankraus1011 1. Alright we will talk about the 80s Afghanistan war which the west interfered in
2.well it does look like you are defending western intervention especially when talking about how just because Russia invaded Afghanistan so the west is the world police and has intervened in return
3.well you talk as if it was the only way it would have happened despite the fact that the west really didn't need to intervene in these conflicts, so maybe not sugarcoat it please
4.you talk as if the west didn't have anything to do with the conflict beforehand and that the west never had any contacts with the Mujahideen as to justify the Soviet invasion, either way regardless of historical "facts" it is obvious for us foreigners that the west and the Soviets were surely involved in the political disputes in Afghanistan even before the Soviet invasion, otherwise your painting this picture of the Soviets being the villians who invaded a foreign country and the west had no hand in Afghanistan's internal affairs which we know those "facts" would never be disclosed
as we already know in the past how the west has toppled governments and installed client regimes by backing the opposition party in a country's political affairs which still this practice continues in Haiti and other countries in the global South
5. Please we know it's all a lie especially when western forces were covertly involved in these conflicts and the same with the Soviets which these superpowers obviously will withhold information about it, please don't try to convince us foreigners about "facts" which already has been proven throughout history to be false, it has been documented the west from time to time intervened in global politics for its own interests (like replacing Guantemala's president with a fascist regime or US backed coup in Bolivia and many other regions across the world, even in Ukraine where the current president Zelensky has shown to have multiple shares in Wall Street and had western democrats like Victoria Newland directly backing the opposition party Zelensky worked under or say the wests successful coup in Haiti and the endless list goes on) as to secure as many countries under its faction and with NATO expansion of every country which seemingly "choose" to join western powers it is obvious for us who's the enemy here, so this claim of the only foreign troops being the Mujahideen who were obviously backed by covert western factions and mercenary groups which the west hires like Blackwater which got involved in Iraq so it's not safe to assume the west would obviously use such methods as to ascertain the Mujahideens victory, so please don't just pretend we foreigners don't know anything about this wars history especially when the history told by you and the western Empire you defend is obviously false all written by victors of a war
6. You call me building up a strawman yet you come here bringing western "facts" which are obviously warped as to convince others how right the west was at that time, we all know by this point what the west and it's oligarchs are committing themselves to and it's high time the west and other factions like Russia and China never will continue to interfere in global politics as countries have already taken strict measures to avoid foreign meddling like how it happened in the past, but hey i guess your western counterparts will find a way to destabilize other smaller nations, Ukraine was surely successful as it was already doomed since the western intervention in the dissolution of the USSR, the west and all these other factions are surely involving other countries who would rather isolate themselves away from their senseless wars and putting this narrative as there being only one enemy seems very convenient for the west obviously
i even wonder whether you are even from the global South my friend cause it surely doesn't look like an average citizen from any of the countries of the global South would agree with foreign interference in their countries in the first place especially since the Spanish or Portuguese invaded their countries
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@costinhalaicu2746 well I may try to take some steps to avoid that but it would surely be flawed in many and it may be doubtful for even newer countries which may be doomed but it would be worth a try or maybe not
1. Smaller countries would have to cut themselves off from the west completely and look to sustain themselves economically via nationalizing their resources instead of relying on the world trade or the open market (which we know would be devastating for the people in the small country but honestly I would see no option to guarantee freedom), about the knowledge of nuclear weapons countries like Iran had already taken steps to ensure they would have had maintained relations with other fellow superpowers so smaller countries could try something similar and may try to gain knowledge of nuclear power via third parties ( I know the steps which will be required will be hard if not impossible but smaller countries in the past had managed to gain access to nuclear technology before like Iran from the Soviets so it may be worth a shot for countries to try something similar with China but even that's doubtful as China would obviously want something in return and probably would be even worse dealing with them than the west ), about military intervention like I said so the above steps must be taken as soon as possible or in the past should have taken steps so if your like a new country which wants to stave off western hegemony then ur kinda doomed as really you could do nothing about countries which are hellbent on making your resources free for everyone, really Ukraine in the past actually could have been free by not giving up any nuclear weaponry they possessed from the Soviets, that way they could have actually ensured no invasion whether from the west or the Soviets could have taken place
I do agree the steps here would be flawed and if not impossible to pull off but if done so then countries could have guaranteed their own self preservation
2. Second part really I can't refute other than trying to cut off your country from the rest of the world but we already seen from North Korea as an example of how devastating that could be and the irony is that a country like North Korea is run by corrupt leaders with selfish interests who only put their own people under the bus as the rich would rather enjoy with the remaining wealth with what they have than ever provide for their own people, so there really wouldn't be any feasible solutions for this for sure unless your nation would have to end up giving something else in return for power and in fact may be worse dealing with countries which wouldn't be as "kind" as the west, not to mention the west really has their eyes and influences everywhere across the globe and your point about corruption is also true enough that even an attempt of wanting to gain access to nukes would be quickly shut down by the west as justification of terrorism not to mention their propaganda which works really well towards westerners who will believe everything anyway as long as they get fed enough, the west really engineered plans to avoid countries from being self sufficient enough with the steps you mentioned about corruption or foreign interference all these factors can lead countries trying to hey away from foreign hegemony into destabilization
Final point I do agree with many of the statements as the west has just too much power and influence for them to ever allow other self sufficient countries to be free from influences or doing better than their people, especially when it's not just the west and other countries are also wanting the same thing to not allow any other nations being prosperous, a bunch of power hungry maniacs running these superpower nations who wouldn't even allow other countries to have their own autonomy or self sufficiency for their peoples sake and won't even improve their own country as they rather would want no country to have control of their own resources, maybe countries could have taken steps to avoid western hegemony and other foreign forces especially in the 50-60s where they could have had the time gap to gain access to nukes but that time is gone sadly with the UN i.e US Nations using the fear of nukes and basically getting rid of any form of resistance countries could have shown against foreign invaders
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@costinhalaicu2746 well about these topics really here's the thing, my country has a different history from whatever history your country went through and as far as our country is concerned we are very anti western and for very good reasons and although the west may have done some positives the negatives like our culture being completely desecrated and warped in convenience for the west and not to mention our country being lead by corrupt leaders whom the west continues to support and endorse them, all these factors is what leads to us being anti western in the first place, idk about your country and whether it was in the Soviet era which we foreigners don't have any knowledge about, regardless of what your countrys people think for us the west has been a negative influence and we would rather want the west gone along with other Empires, and whatever history your people are exposed to for us all these countries like Iran Russia or the west including the US are the enemies really, all foreigners have done in our nation is replace and warp our culture into unrecognisable things and is why we have such contempt against any nation, so don't be mistaken into believing I would support any country even the west for us is our enemy and any other countries support their regime, same goes with China or other superpowers, about Iran and other countries you claim from what we understood is that they are no different than the west at least for my country people and we wouldn't want to get involved in any of their histories let alone the west whom we wish give back all they stole from our lands instead of living off our wealths, but sadly the people in my country are just too stuck up worshiping westerners as saviors yet never see them as the colonizers they are
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@costinhalaicu2746 please westerner don't delude us with western facts and claim sympathy for European countries, in fact the country you mentioned Poland had allied with the west many times against Russia and has allied with many other European powers in the colonial era, we foreigners aren't deluded to just believe that some countries in Europe are innocent despite the fact that those countries had allied with NATO in their expansion, it would be naive for us to not consider European nations as not sharing colonial ties
same goes with every other nations in the past and the only nations which we could sympathize with are nations which were essentially colonial outposts for colonizers like many Asian countries or many of the global South or many African nations which are still colonial outposts for the west and for China
please don't try to bring up alternative historical facts as to ascertain us foreigners about how colonialism worked especially when it was broadly understood by countries across the globe that the western world had and still was better developed than the rest of the world, even China which was a colonial power in the past never expanded beyond their borders unlike western powers like Europe and Russian Empire from the Tsar Era which expanded to many different continents and continued their colonial expansion and although it could be argued Empires from foreign lands were colonial too they never did expand beyond their lands as much as the west had done, every country has their history written with blood but knowing human history it was never as peaceful as people expect, but what's different from today and in modern times is that countries are no longer in control over their systems, like the Mayans whose descendants i.e Mexicans, Guatemala and other central American countries were colonised by the Spanish and now the US and even if their history was violent there were multiple revolutions and coups as to leave their culture unchanged, but with the western world monotonizing their culture and essentially alienating the newer generation from the history of their countries and in turn worshipping the west which in turn discriminate against them only as long as they don't follow their western ideals, it is making things obvious that times are changed for the worse now that countries are essentially becoming the same as the west with selective ways of running their country all in convenience for the west to monopolize their resources for their self interests
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