Comments by "š Erin Thor" (@Erin-Thor) on "TFLoffroad"
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As the former owner of a Range Rover, I regret to inform you that you have passed crazy, passed insanity and entered the Full-Tilt Bozo zone. In less than 2 years I enjoyed 3 toes tows, 3 major transmission issues (2 replacements), and 21 other little minor things like alternators, window motors, shock breaking free from its mounts, water pumps, and a starter, along with dozens of little electronics problems. Land Rovers are not meant to be used, just looked at. Donāt trust it to go to the store.
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rik999 ā If I can? LOL! I think you failed to comprehend my point entirely. Suzuki makes certain parts on their motorcycles to break, not bend. This is INTENTIONAL, it is planned into the design to produce downline income for them and their dealers. No other manufacturer does this, they make parts to BEND, not BREAK. I have broken parts off my Suzuki by accidentally bumping them with my leg, by brushing against a bush, at $50-100 per part, it gets old very fast. Yes, you are right, if you "wreck" a bike of course itās going to break. Iām talking about simple accidents, drop it at low speed, if it accidentally falls on its side, if you bump it with your leg, THEY BREAK. I get the love of Suzuki Mechanicalās, they make a mean machine. But, and I canāt say this loud enough... IF YOU HAD EVER ACTUALLY OWNED A SUZUKI MOTORCYCLE YOU WOULD KNOW WHAT I SPEAK IS TRUE. That you seem to defend Suzuki on this issue just shows you to be a dolt and a troll.
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Ā @cameronmurray3039Ā ā My experience was with a 2004 Range Rover. In under 3 years it has one transmission repair, 2 replacements, 2 alternators, one water pump, one engine mount, and required 4 tows, along with a host of minor electrical issues, power seats, power window motors, wiring problems, etc. I sold it at 47k miles and never looked back. A vehicle is worthless if it isnāt dependable, and it got to the point that I wouldnāt trust it to go to the store.
Iām with you, loved it, rode nice, looked beautiful, amazing off-roadā¦ but every 15k miles it needed a $7500 transmission. The only good thing was the engine, it did run. But every supporting component was problematic.
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The Real John Smith ā Every year J.D. Power does surveys of new vehicles and their initial quality reports and issues. Consumer Reports tracks and downloads vehicle service reports and tracks all repairs by category, by type, by vehicle by make, by model year after year.
And guys, we arenāt saying they are junk, or absolute garbage, just that comparing Jeeps and Fords is NOT fair. Both are not as reliable as others, this is proven by statistics so stop saying we are crazy. I for one have owned both. Jeeps are GREAT off road, turning radius, clearance, approach and departure angles, all excellently designed. But NO sane Jeep owner goes off-roading alone, you need help with repairs and to go to town for tools and parts. Fords have their strengths too, towing, GREAT! But reliability AGAIN, dependability AGAIN, not a Fords strong point. Ford Diesels go into limp mode FREQUENTLY as well as a host of other common mechanical issues. Doubt me? LOOK at Fords annual reports! There is a reason theyāre profitable! Down line product revenue from parts and maintenance sustains the company. Hello?
If you tow a trailer or fifth wheel, you WANT a Ford and the money to fix it. If you go off road, you want a Jeep, but NOT a base one, a RUBICON. And with either, never go alone as you want to get home. Jesus people, where have you been? Have you not been to 4x4 events? No Jeep driver drives their Jeeps to the events, they trailer them there. Why? They want to be able to get home.
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The Real John Smith ā Seriously? We have 7 F250ās at work, 5 Chevyās (4 are diesels) and 7 Ram 2500ās. The F250ās are the problem children of the group. My friendās F250 goes into limp mode literally every 3 months like clockwork. Now sure what he does differently than our guys at work, but he still loves the truck, like you do. And Iāve driven them F250s at work many times, I like them, but their incidence of repair is high, might be higher than all of the others combined. Every major component, alternators, water pumps, starters, itās a constant battle. I have a 4 runner, my wife has a Sequoia, and Iām considering a Taco or Tundra. Toyotaās run 200k, 300k miles before anything breaks. And please, just STOP. When we go fishing, hunting and camping with my buddies mixed bag of vehicles, Iām the one who has to go to town to get parts and tools for their rigs. Stop taking this personally, I KNOW what I know. Jeeps and Fords are awesome for the function they were designed... but reliability is not one of them. And yes... I get it. I have to winch up some spots my Jeep buddies breeze through. I canāt tow the huge trailer up the steep road like my friends Ford. EACH HAVE THEIR STRENGTHS. Toyota (4Runners) are awesome, very reliable, but not the best off-road vehicles. But it goes over the same trails that broke their Jeeps and Fords, Chevys or Land Rovers sometimes 6 times in a day to get parts, food, tents, supplies, and tools. How about you donāt tell me Jeeps or Fords are reliable, WHEN THEY ARE NOT, and I wonāt tell you Toyota 4Runnerās are great off road when they are not. O.K.?
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