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@Mrpersonman0 What delusion? This wasn't from him but God. Delusions don't have continuity that spans across dozens of authors and thousands of years. The Bible is a library of sixty-six different books, long and short, written in different languages (Hebrew, Caldean and Greek), written in various countries (Judea, Babylon, 66 Books of the BibleAsia Minor, Greece and Italy), written in various times during a period stretching over about fifteen hundred years and with an intermission of about 400 years, written by about forty different authors, people with Egyptian culture, people with Jewish culture, people with Greek and Roman culture, people with no culture. Written by all sorts and conditions of men (priests, prophets, princes, peasants, warriors, statesmen, herdsmen, poets, publicans, physicians, fishermen, historians, lawyers, chroniclers, philosophers, orators, autocrats, exiles, rich, poor, evangelists, apostles), written to Jew and to Gentile, written to Greek and barbarian, to bond and to free, to men and to women, to young and to old, to individuals, congregations, the whole world. Written in the rush of the city and in the hush of the country; written in palace and in prison, written in prosperity and in adversity, written in the height of national glory on Mount Zion and in the depth of national shame beside quiet waters. These books contain prose, poetry, prophecy, history, type, antitype, sign, symbol, miracle, parable, biography, philosophy, description, travel, exploration, legislation, invitation, exhortation, denunciation, argumentation, commendation, indignation, prayers, blessings, curses, oration, consolation, fierce invective, impassioned appeal, and coolest and calmest logic, letters, hymns, pastorals, romance, tragedy and jubilee, sobbing sighs and shouts of joy, sermons, lyrics, proverbs, epigrams and axioms. Thinking on these facts, we must needs expect chaos as the outcome. It cannot be but that parts of this variegated library contradict other parts. But do we find it so? By no means! On the contrary and wonderful to relate, we find a marvelous unity of design and harmony in statements. Have you ever realized the Bible had so much unity? Fifteen hundred years, forty different authors, three different languages, five or six different countries. And yet with all of these variations, there’s still just one theme and it all harmonizes together. If you were a god and you’d created some people, and you wanted to communicate to them through a written word, wouldn’t you make sure that your Bible had characteristics like that? And someone might say, well, there’s really nothing all that hard about that, I mean, other books have been written like that. Well let’s see if that is really true. Why don’t we go down to some seminary, some theological seminary, but instead of getting people with different languages and from different countries and different backgrounds and over hundreds of years, why don’t we just get forty students who are all going there at the same time from the same country who have the same teachers and just ask them to do us a favor? Without conferring with each other, why don’t we ask them to write about a fifty page paper each, on the subject of God (His existence, His nature, His purposes), and man (where he came from, what he’s here for, where he’s going), and things about spiritual ideas. And then let’s collect all 2000 pages which would be about the length of a Bible, I suppose, and put them all together and see if they have the same kind of harmony that the Bible does. You say, well they might. Well, I’ll tell you what, why don’t you just go down to the library and find any 40 books off the shelf in the religious section and see if they all are in harmony with each other. You see it hasn’t been done. The Bible is totally unique.
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The Nazi's believed heavily in the occult.
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666 is not a vague reference to "man." 666 literally is man, biologists have found the human genome numerically is 666, our genetic information. What we are, man. So how I think of it is the mark of the beast being 666 is denouncing our heavenly identity of being a child of God and making people accept their identity as only the earthy fallen body. Remember the text describes us as having a body not as being that body but us as a spirit, that has a body.
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@jeffjefferson2853 What? The ark was the physical residence of Jesus on earth before the Holy Spirit transformed him into flesh to complete the work of the cross. Jesus was God who walked in the garden of Eden with Adam. Jesus was the burning bush. The name I AM is his name, Jesus is derived from I AM and the name of Moses which fulfills prophecy. The name Jesus means "GOD WHO SAVES BY WATER." Jesus is the Word which the word of the scripture is called the living water. And so on and so on. You are confusing presence with power. Merely entering into Gods presence judges sin and the punishment for sin is death. That is why only the High Priest who made a sacrifice could enter into the Holy of Holies into the presence of God hopefully without dying. God could at anytime leave or come back to the ark if he wanted. There is also power on the physicality of the ark too. But there needs to be distinction between which is which in different events.
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You are confused. The historicity of most of the Exodus path has already been discovered and published by an Athiest turn Christian head of the University of Haifa in Israel around 2008. The Exodus is not considered myth anymore. There has been a massive amount of biblical verification since the advent of modern archeology. Around 50 000-100 000 artifacts alone have been discovered which is roughly half. I forget which it was 50 or 100.
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@Nisikaa_ lmao as if. Give one example where we have dozens of books from multiple authors across thousands of years and different languages from multiple professions all writing different things that connect and hold continuity. You sound ridiculous. You clearly never went over the implications. You made that clear when right from the start you rewrote my statement and called the statements delusions when anyone who is historically literate knows the historicity of the biblical text has long been established and extensively. Of course apocrypha were set aside. Truth establishes truth. It's not called cherry picking it's called validating. Otherwise why wouldn't all writings be included? Your argument doesn't hold up, no criteria is an absurd position to assert. There aren't inconsistencies with the Gospels they are written from different literary perspectives. There are countless scholarly articles that can hold your hand and spoon feed you the context if you are struggling to grasp the narrative and confusing it with inconsistency, discrepancy, or contradictions. In fact you can buy almost 33 volumes of it from early church fathers almost a few hundred years shy of 2000 years old. That is how much commentary and how far it goes back. It sounds like you are just spewing out whatever sounds good in your head without ever verifying the legitimacy of any of your perceived issues for yourself.
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@shysmy19 says the clown that literally doesn't know the text has an enormous positive track record of correct historicity across the board, and 100% accuracy of prophecy and statements of science where able to be tested. The big bang theory is wholly derived from the biblical text and the only source. Nothing anywhere else ever came close, the closest was a babylonian religion that got 3 out of 12 of the points correct. A religious fairytale is thinking you evolved. That life spontaneously happened. That rationality can come from irrationality. That the universe never had a first cause despite science telling us it needed one. That the overwhelming evidence of fine tuning across the cosmos is just a happy accident while being more mathematically complex than we can even comprehend even a fraction of. Atheism is a fairytale for those afraid of the light.
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@bashermus9975 You are confused. The historicity of the biblical text has long been established as extremely reliable and on top of that accurate. It has been found significantly superior to secular accounts in names, dates, spelling of names and so on. It has also been found more accurate than historians of Alexandria. Then on top of that we have 100% accuracy of prophecy. Unrivaled continuity of the 66 books which span thousands of years written by multiple authors with different backgrounds professions, and different languages which alone demonstrates it's divine origin. Then we have it's statements of science that we can very being completely correct(don't confuse miracle events). The big bang theory is wholly a biblical concept and derived from the bible. The biblical text is the only source in human history to get the creation account complete correct, nothing else even gets close to correct. So the track record the biblical text holds is exemplary. There is no reason not to assume it's statements of history as historical accounts where there are no other accounts.
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@MrJoebrooklyn1969 Oh I'm going to hell now? Based on what? Teaching the biblical text? lmao what is this a Satanic hell? You are a clown.
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@qodeshim9800 Atheism is a fairytale for those afraid of the light. He is just scared.
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@misery_shun demons and angels are two different entities fyi. angels are heaven bound spirits with a body, demons are earth bound disembodied spirits. The abode of demons is the abyss/pit in scripture, the abode of fallen angels that are locked up is Tartarus. They are not the same entities. Demons originate from being the preAdamic race God destroyed during Lucifers fall when Lucifer turned them against God. That's how they lost their body and where the picture we see in Gen 1:2 comes from, a destroyed, flooded, frozen(no light/warmth) earth.
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@satah5045 It's crazy to think today we have significantly greater knowledge of the texts and artifacts from modern archeology. Than most of Christian history. The farther away we get from the time of Christ the greater access has increased.
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@Nisikaa_ It doesn't... aside from the fact of what you presented...
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The ark had power because it was where Jesus resided. God abandoned Israel because of their sin. Jesus was then made flesh then ascended to heaven.
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@profesionalshitposter675 What is there to even invent? Sin is an absence, a void. It's disobedience from God.
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Satan is chained up after his defeat. Then after the thousand year reign of Christ he is brought up out of hell to be defeated along with all the rest of the fallen men still on the earth to put them all and the rest of the occupants of hell into their final destination, the lake of fire for eternity. The final defeat and end of sin forever. Now God destroys the universe and makes a new one without sin and it's corruption and influence tainting reality itself. It's a sequence of events that must happen with other details I have left out because I dont want to write a book here.
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@amadeosendiulo2137 Why would it be fiction? The track record of biblical prophecy is 100% accuracy. So why would you assume this time it's fiction? The track record of the accurate historicity of biblical events has also been exemplary where we've been able to verify. It has been found more accurate that historians of alexandria for historical record and correct spelling of names.
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@Robert-cr4fq Yes it even calls Jesus the nail. In reference to his death on the cross. And the nail God told Moses to use for the tabernacle walls which also represents Jesus, told to be half in the ground and half out representing his death and ressurection.
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@AnarchoPunkChad The representation of Jesus is extensive in the tabernacle. Everything represents him. Jesus became the bodily fulfillment of the ceremonial law after all. It goes so far as to even the layout of the objects of the tabernacle, in that once a year when the High Priest would make the sacrifice and go into the holy of holies, they would make the sacrifice and dip their robe in the blood and walk to each article on the way to the holy of holies, the position of these articles and the High Priest walking to them every year would create a giant blood cross on the ground.
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@ThePewdieslender And rightfully so. Islam is the only historical account to deny the account of Jesus' crucifixion on the cross... 600+ years later. There is a reason why everyone disparages the Koran so much.
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@ThePewdieslender Yes it should if the belief is on said event. It's called reality. A lie is a lie is a lie. Every culture, every faith cannot be equal. Stop pandering.
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@deistormmods No there is not. The Koran is the only and 600 years after the fact. It's ridiculous and merits that pointed out.
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666 literally represents man. Biologists have found that is the number of our genetics. It fully represents man. All life everything is essentially just information as the text says God created everything with the word. Language spoken is information. I assume the mark of the beast being the number of man 666 represents something different. Something like casting off our rightful nature as being children of God in other words in communion with God, to instead identify as the flesh fallen man 666 separation from God. That is how I see it at least and of course that mark will be some sort of literal mark it's not talking about some theoretical 666 lol.
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It repeats itself because God is the same forever.
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no ones name was translated into a number. 666 literally as in the actual word literal, literally represents man. Biologists have found our genetics are represented in the number 666. All life is defined from the standpoint of this immaterial concept, information. Found in DNA. It makes sense to describe man from that perspective. It's just another example of the text being divinely inspired.
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@WeAreTheInsurgents What a clownish response. As if scientists set out to look for such a thing, nor did I say such a thing, nor did I say scientists were making a comparison. You aren't even coherent with such a response. How is a number that shows up in science "religious" lol. The information is public knowledge dumdum. Neither was that vague or an attempt. You sound seriously damaged to flip our and throw a tantrum as you just did about Christianity...
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@WeAreTheInsurgents here educate yourself then. https://youtu.be/zNgt9xG3zQU
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@WeAreTheInsurgents Am I supposed to care? The study was explained and referenced. Exactly what you asked for. Nothing more needs to be said. The channel has zero relevance to the conversation dumdum.
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@rav3style He found dozens of sites. He found basically almost the whole Exodus crossing. You are making some meaningless distinctions to the relevance of such a massive discovery and the relevance of why I brought it up. What are you talking about he made no claims about the book of exodus being real? Absolutely irrelevant, his work showed it was real!
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@JustYamYam Except that is a terrible argument disproven countless time. I suggest you look up one of the million articles or videos addressing the telephone argument.
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one of the judgments is described as producing a planet wide EMP attack. So that future tech won't be doing much as the outcome shows. They will be having to use horses.
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@joecoolioness6399 There is extensive scientific evidence which spans the sciences. There wasn't any hand picking of stories either, the biblical text was organically compiled and it's claims of divine inspiration has extensive evidence. Such as the continuity, 100% accuracy of prophecy and so on. God is not one dimensional he is not always loving. To be a good God requires he also must be just. Hebrews 11:1 Paul wrote the Greek "hupostasis." It means an internal unseen tangible substance of assurance, of the person of Jesus he gives as an "elegchos" which basically means like a clinical evidence like given in a court of law. As I already brought up it is the most important evidence one can have to give ones life to Jesus. Ultimately nothing else is or can be sufficient. Like I said Jesus, God could appear infront of you right now and do miracles and that wouldn't be enough for you or anyone to give their lives truly to him. It wasn't enough for the disciples. One can talk about intellectual, scientific, historical evidences extensively and one can understand and even accept the implications. They aren't enough. Being a Christian is coming as you are to Jesus and letting him do everything. He makes himself real to you, he changes you, he does everything. The bible says Jesus even has to put the desire to love him in you. Remember we are talking about God, mere humans, specks of dust don't even have the capacity for all these things. That is why they all must be supplied by Jesus, God. One just has to seek him and ask him to prove himself.
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@Nisikaa_ Your example is nonsensical. You just called having any standard cherry picking. So have a standard to be able to identify continuity and it's cherry picking, have no standard and nothing would exist. The continuity itself shows it's divine inspiration. The Bible is a library of sixty-six different books, long and short, written in different languages (Hebrew, Caldean and Greek), written in various countries (Judea, Babylon, 66 Books of the BibleAsia Minor, Greece and Italy), written in various times during a period stretching over about fifteen hundred years and with an intermission of about 400 years, written by about forty different authors, people with Egyptian culture, people with Jewish culture, people with Greek and Roman culture, people with no culture. Written by all sorts and conditions of men (priests, prophets, princes, peasants, warriors, statesmen, herdsmen, poets, publicans, physicians, fishermen, historians, lawyers, chroniclers, philosophers, orators, autocrats, exiles, rich, poor, evangelists, apostles), written to Jew and to Gentile, written to Greek and barbarian, to bond and to free, to men and to women, to young and to old, to individuals, congregations, the whole world. Written in the rush of the city and in the hush of the country; written in palace and in prison, written in prosperity and in adversity, written in the height of national glory on Mount Zion and in the depth of national shame beside quiet waters. These books contain prose, poetry, prophecy, history, type, antitype, sign, symbol, miracle, parable, biography, philosophy, description, travel, exploration, legislation, invitation, exhortation, denunciation, argumentation, commendation, indignation, prayers, blessings, curses, oration, consolation, fierce invective, impassioned appeal, and coolest and calmest logic, letters, hymns, pastorals, romance, tragedy and jubilee, sobbing sighs and shouts of joy, sermons, lyrics, proverbs, epigrams and axioms. Thinking on these facts, we must needs expect chaos as the outcome. It cannot be but that parts of this variegated library contradict other parts. But do we find it so? By no means! On the contrary and wonderful to relate, we find a marvelous unity of design and harmony in statements. Have you ever realized the Bible had so much unity? Fifteen hundred years, forty different authors, three different languages, five or six different countries. And yet with all of these variations, there’s still just one theme and it all harmonizes together. If you were a god and you’d created some people, and you wanted to communicate to them through a written word, wouldn’t you make sure that your Bible had characteristics like that? And someone might say, well, there’s really nothing all that hard about that, I mean, other books have been written like that. Well let’s see if that is really true. Why don’t we go down to some seminary, some theological seminary, but instead of getting people with different languages and from different countries and different backgrounds and over hundreds of years, why don’t we just get forty students who are all going there at the same time from the same country who have the same teachers and just ask them to do us a favor? Without conferring with each other, why don’t we ask them to write about a fifty page paper each, on the subject of God (His existence, His nature, His purposes), and man (where he came from, what he’s here for, where he’s going), and things about spiritual ideas. And then let’s collect all 2000 pages which would be about the length of a Bible, I suppose, and put them all together and see if they have the same kind of harmony that the Bible does. You say, well they might. Well, I’ll tell you what, why don’t you just go down to the library and find any 40 books off the shelf in the religious section and see if they all are in harmony with each other. You see it hasn’t been done. The Bible is totally unique.
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@CJ Baierl How could it not be? God never judges the wicked with the righteous. People who argue the other way forget this very important fact.
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I think it actually more represents Christ and the four offices he holds depicted in those books. Ox servant/sacrifice, Man man, Lion king, Eagle divinity. That is what my Hebrew pastor taught, and he went further on how those four offices Christ holds is also represented in the four colors on the gate of the tabernacle, which we all know the tabernacle represents Christ everywhere in it in al the objects. Christ became the bodily fulfillment of the ceremonial law after all.
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You are forgetting the most important part, the four faces represents who Christ is in those Gospels, the four offices he holds. Human-Man, Lion-King, Ox-Servant/Sacrifice, Eagle-Divinity. There is also four colors associated with these four positions and is represented on the Gate of the tabernacle which we all know fully represents Christ. Who of course became the bodily fulfillment of the ceremonial law.
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@Pelagion98 The second coming of Jesus he does an attack against the armies of the world that are attacking Jerusalem that is described as a nuclear energy attack . Peoples eyes and tongues melt out of their face and so on the text reads. The purpose of the ark was for God to reside at for a time. This was actually Jesus, the Word before he was made flesh, the same Jesus that walked in the garden of Eden with Adam and was the burning bush. It makes sense a same style attack is seen in the presence of the ark which is just the presence of Jesus.
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@5naxalotl You sound new to the topic to be this ignorant of Jewish information preservation. The book of Job alone was passed down through oral tradition before the written word. The preservation of all the biblical text has been exemplary. While not even addressing your claim it's already objectively absurd.
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@samallyoucan based on what?
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@samallyoucan lmao in other words you haven't the vaguest clue.
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@samallyoucan The consistency, historicity, and accuracy of the biblical text has long been established. Like I said earlier you are just saying whatever sounds good to suit your narrative. Reality does not agree. What you are doing has a word, it's called lying.
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if that was the case there would be no continuity spanning dozens of authors writing those 66 books over thousands of years and in different languages. cool theory though.
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You explained the very reason the Son came with the first sentence. The irony in your comment is beyond cringe.
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wow filthy mouth...
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Fearing God is what the text says. It is healthy, it's supposed to be that there are consequences for ones actions. It is something we all forget too often myself included... the bible says God is wrath after all a holy wrath but that is still pretty scary given we are not perfect and fallen.
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@breakingames7772 I don't get it. God literally gave Adam, man, gold aka money, an inheritance right from the start. God called that gold good. The bible says God gives man wealth to establish his covenant. Jesus said I wish above all else you prosper. Meaning in all things including physical wealth. Tithing is first fruits you can tithe however you want, you can give your time volunteering as a tithe
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they represent the four positions Jesus holds, man-man, ox-servant/sacrifice,lion-king,eagle-divinity
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@somerandomfatguy.3384 Nothing about torture. it's about God seeing the suffering and torture of man and becoming a part of it to redeem us from it. It's literally a love letter from God. You would actually have to be sadistic to think what you just wrote.
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@shysmy19 You are making a fool of yourself. The bible doesnt even remotely say the age of the earth far less 6000 years. In fact it eludes to it being very old. You clearly don't realize this "fairytale" is the sole source of the big bang theory which it was derived from dumdum. Christianity also birthed modern science and universities, and the rise of the West which ultimately brought humanity into the modern age. You would be plowing a field and dead by 40 most likely if not for Christianity.
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@tacitozetticci9308 Oh really? You make such a claim you have to have such examples where this happened. You don't.
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