Comments by "WaterspoutsOfTheDeep" (@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep) on "hochelaga" channel.

@samallyoucan You have nothing, your premise of your argument is illogical and absurd. Everything points towards it existing. The multiple books written by different authors over many years IS evidence, as is the dimensions and structure of the tabernacle, temple, and rest of biblical narrative mirroring coherently the context surrounding it. You are ridiculous. Atheism is a fairy tale for those afraid of the light.
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@samallyoucan lmao the biblical text is far from accurate? that should be easy to prove then lol. You got nothing go home clown.
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@chesnickgercken1831 It sounds like you’ve done some serious research on this. Just curious, what are some of the books you’ve read on the transmission of the Biblical text? Well, fortunately, this popular claim isn’t true. To show that the Bible has been tampered with and changed, you’d have to be able to point to ancient copies of the Bible and show us what they used to say, and then show us the differences in what the Bible says now. But that’s the very thing you can’t do, because our modern copies of the Bible say what the ancient copies say. And for good reason! Our modern Bibles are translated directly from the ancient manuscript copies of the Bible. In addition to this, we can also compare our modern Bibles to the surviving writings of Christians in the second and third century. They quoted the text of the Bible thousands of times in their writings. And when we compare our Bibles to their ancient quotations of the Bible, we see again that the Bibles we use today are accurate copies of the Bible the early church used. Such an argument is ridiculous because it shows you've never bothered to examine the topic and are making ignorant claims off the top of your head.
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@chesnickgercken1831 The lord of the rings never had 100% accuracy of prophecy. Is the source of the big bang theory and only account to get the creation event wholly correct, nothing else comes close. Or has continuity across 66 books written by multiple authors across multiple continents and thousands of years in multiple languages from multiple cultures and professions. You sound confused about the claims and conversation if you are bringing up lord of the rings in such a way when someone is only addressing the ignorant assertion YOU previously brought up. How disingenuous of you to do.
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@ShawnCheriYoung You are confused Jesus represents the complete perfect substitution. The scapegoat(sin) and sacrifice(payment). The goat represents sin, nothing to do with Satan. Satan bears no sin of man. Never has. Goats represent sin in the bible. The animal sacrifice was only a covering from sin. The sacrifice of Jesus fully cleanses sin. That is why there was a scapegoat, to place the sin on the goat and to cast it away because the blood of animals could not destroy sin. Only provide a covering to protect against it. That is what atone means cover. Every pole holding up the wall of the tabernacle had silver and brass on it speaking of redemption and suffering, the pole of wood speaks of his physical flesh his body it is acacia wood meaning eternal flesh the rope connected to the pole is made out of goats hair that had 11 strands of it in the rope, 11 is the number of destruction and goats hair speaks of sin, he destroyed our sin. The nail in the ground connected to the rope is brass, God said it should only be half way in the ground and half way out. Jesus is called the nail in Isaiah, and half in half out means he died and rose again.
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@ShawnCheriYoung Jesus took on all sin and payed the price God demands of it. Satan never. Satan is not a representation of sin, Satan is a person who also sinned. Sin is disobedience to God.
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@ShawnCheriYoung Satan may know scripture but he does not understand the revelation. No angel does. Otherwise Jesus would not have accomplished the work of the cross. The bible says the angels have to observe how God deals with man to receive revelation of who God is. Jesus became the bodily fulfillment of the ceremonial law. Jesus took on the full burden of all sin, remember him sweating blood in the garden? Jesus defeated sin by being the perfect and sufficient sacrifice being fully man and God. The text says nothing about Satan being the scapegoat but Jesus being it. The snake on the pole Israel looked to when diseased represented sin destroyed on the cross by Jesus. The 11 strands of goats hair(sin) connected to the nail(Jesus as said in Isaiah) with the nail half in half out represents sin destroyed on the cross by Jesus. Jesus bore that sin not Satan. What you are saying is not mentioned in the text. It sounds like you are bringing up some Moromon or Jehovah Witness Christian cult ideology.
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@ShawnCheriYoung The purpose of the scapegoat was to cast our sins upon to get rid of them. A substitution. The scapegoat in the old testament was needed because the blood of animals was only atonement a covering and the sin needed to be cast away. It was not destroyed. Jesus became the scapegoat and sacrifice together. All sin was cast upon Jesus and he died on the cross making the payment for it. The blood Jesus shed fully destroyed the sin because the price was sufficient unlike the blood of animals. He was cast into the wilderness which is what hell is commonly referenced as and he completed the defeat of sin by stealing back the keys from Satan. Otherwise the bible would instruct us to cast our sins upon Satan now because the work of the cross was not sufficient. What you are saying is the blood Jesus shed is not enough. It was just a sacrifice, a covering not the perfect sacrifice to destroy the sin. It doesn't, only the blood of Jesus is needed. The bible says Jesus became the bodily fulfillment of the ceremonial law. The full price has been paid.
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@ShawnCheriYoung Satan being the scapegoat is not in scripture. Nor anything to do with the scapegoat. Never in scripture does God say he will lay the sins of his people on Satan. That is reserved only God. Only God can remove sins. Heb 10:16-17. The two goats together make a complete atonement. Satan has no agency in any of this. Christ fulfilled the purpose of the scapegoat and sacrifice and completed this work on the cross. It is done. There is no more need for a scapegoat just as there isn't for a sacrifice. It's completely contrary to scripture to say there is still a need for a scapegoat far less Satan is when he never was. This denies the deity of Jesus and says his sacrifice was not sufficient. It was sufficient. This sounds like a Christian cult doctrine. Only Jesus Bore and Removed Our Sins Psa 103:12 (NIV) "as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us." 1 Pet 2:24 (NIV) "He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed." Isa 53:6 NIV) "We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all." Isa 53:11 (NIV) "After the suffering of his soul, he will see the light of life and be satisfied ; by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities."
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@ShawnCheriYoung The bibles says 1 Pet 2:24 (NIV) "He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed."
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if that was the case there would be no continuity spanning dozens of authors writing those 66 books over thousands of years and in different languages. cool theory though.
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Study cosmology and you'll be leaning back to Christianity. Science has basically advanced to the point of ruling out naturalism as a model. All that is left is intelligent design of which Christianity is the only game in town.
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666 has nothing to do with nero. it's literally the number of man, the number of our genome in biology. it literally as in the word means literal, represents man.
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Psychedelic experiences don't have continuity that spans dozens of authors writings over thousands of years written in multiple languages. It speaks of divine inspiration.
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It has nothing to do with what you are saying. It represents the four positions Jesus holds and the four Gospels and those positions of Jesus being told. Man-Man, Ox-Servant/Sacrifice, Lion-King, Eagle-Divinity
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The only biblically accurate angels that can be imaged is the common ones which look just like men, no wings.
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You got to be kidding. The bible is the most plagiarized book in history. Countless fictions have been based on biblical plots.
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The pre-Adamic race, fall of Lucifer and destruction of the earth is also a interesting topic of the bible. It's another apocalypse just not ours, someone elses that already happened.
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it doesn't wrap up quickly. there is literally a thousand year pause before the last battle lol
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@justsomeguy4099 Everyone having a conversation. Just someguy- "arguing"
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@shaunfromdabust Aliens can't tell the future.
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@deistormmods sure
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@VicMikesvideodiary You haven't the vaguest clue what you are talking about. Revelations was written long before Vatican and Constantine. As was the bible fully compiled. Neither was anything stolen from Egyptian myth. It sounds like you watched that Zeitgeist nonsense that was made up by the author as a cash grab and panned by scholars day of release. You have zero proof of your claims because they are nonsense. All you have is extremely vague and off tangent irrelevant conjecture.
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@deistormmods lmao you got to be kidding, you are actually denying the historicity of Jesus now?! And you actually used the argument Tactitus was born after the death of Jesus as if that invalidates him?! The absurdity! Tacitus is literally known as the "Historian of Rome." He is the most recognized historian of the Roman empire! He made his historical accounts while having access to official Roman records!!!! Like Pilates records which have been lost now but not then. And he is a hostile source. It literally doesn't get any better than Tacitus as a secular source! And you blatantly and shamelessly argue as if he is a nobody. Outrageous!
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@deistormmods What do you think Tacitus made his historical records from? Hello? It was all primary sources. You are being absurd.
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@deistormmods The ones he used. This is Tacitus remember?
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@deistormmods You act like that matters lol. In this case he is the source and that is enough for every historian that has ever lived. Maybe look into who Tacitus was. This conversation is ridiculous.
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@VicMikesvideodiary lmao looks like the satanist can't control himself and is manifesting. Atheism is a fairytale for those afraid of the light. Mankinds most proven knowledge the space time theorems have told us there must be a God. Borde and Vilenkin took Hawking and Penrose work on classic general relativity and expanded it as far as possible with 5 papers in an attempt to disprove the Big Bang and it's Christian implications and concluded "all reasonable cosmic models are subject to the relentless grip of the space-time theorems." They gave examples where you wouldn't need an absolute beginning to space and time but in such models you wouldn't have life. So there has to be a causal agent beyond space and time(God). But are they a personal "God"(intelligent, caring) or "something else." Fine tuning argument tells us the causal agent is a personal God. So we logically have God, and a personal God. So an easy test is which faith gives us the big bang, and fine tuning implications of an intelligent caring God. Well which has a personal caring God, and gets the claims of a big bang creation correct? Only Christianity nothing else comes close. You will never do away with the need for God. Atheism is a fairytale.
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@VicMikesvideodiary Now that science has advanced, all of Atheists speculations are based on non-empirical arguments and that shows just how weak their case is. Christianity is attributed to bringing about modern science(Newton and the Christian mindset he published), scientific method("test all things and hold fast to that which is true" Christian scripture followed), universities(Oxford first university, Christianity), which came about in the Christian West not the East and led to the rise of the West, which ultimately brought humanity into the modern age. That is what highly noted scholar and scientist Joseph Needham of Cambridge concluded from his life's work studying this. The coherent inherentness of the universe mindset which comes from knowing a logical God created the universe thus logic should be found in the universe changed the course of humanity forever. You can thank Issac Newton for publishing that and making it mainstream. Atheism is a worthless fairytale.
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@VicMikesvideodiary origin of life can't account for creation of DNA far less the DNA replicator molecule. The idea of a mind behind life has been far more logical since the discovery of DNA it hasn't had the opposite effect. We've come to the point one of the fundamental concepts used to explain biological science for example is an immaterial concept. Information, in DNA. Irrationality does not give rise to rationality. The burden of proof is on those who claim that it does. The evidence of the existence of DNA, of the human mind, of the ability to do mathematics goes way beyond what the whole endeavor of evolution can account for. The belief in God is not a science stopper it's a science starter. Following your reasoning your brain is the result of mindless unguided process, why should I or you trust anything you have to say? You wouldn't if your computer was made in such a way. Atheism is a joke.
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@VicMikesvideodiary Why evolution isn't true... 1. Offspring are new combinations of pre-existing genetic information. Therefore, there is no new genetic information coming into existence and therefore there is no evolution occurring. 2. Millions or billions of nucleotide bases working together in an intelligent manner in order to create an animal can only come from the mind of a genius. Why don't we see evolution happening today? That's because it is too slow. Why don't we see evolution in the fossil record? That's because it is too fast. lmao ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) FICTION: lightning bolts can strike a pool of prebiotic minutiae and manifest a quaternary 4 billion unit self-correcting self-replicating bioinformatic system complete with ribosomes, vesicles, enzymes, proteins, ATP. You probably thought some scientist somewhere has a coherent theory about how biology began! 😂 too much funny This attitude is not very different from that of the Nobel Prize winning physiologist George Wald, who wrote candidly in 1954: “When it comes to the origin of life, we have only two possibilities as to how life arose. One is spontaneous generation arising to evolution; the other is a supernatural creative act of God. There is no third possibility. … Spontaneous generation was scientifically disproved 100 years ago by Louis Pasteur, Spelazani, Reddy and others. That leads us scientifically to only one possible conclusion — that life arose as a supernatural creative act of God. … I will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe in God. Therefore, I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution.” Atheism is for the scientifically illiterate.
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@FelixErikson I'm not the one that has had to resort to knowingly lie everytime they post. You've already been school on this very claim. Shameless you'd crawl back here and post such a thing.
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@-LTUIiiin Corruption of existing information isn't new information. Go use a random number generator and see if it can produce code. It won't. You can read the studies doing that did the same thing.
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@Nisikaa_ Try again. Nebuchadnezzar did destroy the coastal cities. However, the people of the port of Tyre had obviously relocated to the island city, which they were able to successfully defend against the Babylonian invaders. Nebuchadnezzar had defeated and plundered the cities on the shore, as Ezekiel prophesied in 26:7–11, but he could not defeat the island city. This fact is reported in Ezekiel 29:18. Further, verse 12 marks a shift from the prophecy concerning Nebuchadnezzar to prophetic declarations about other invaders. Verse 3 had already introduced the idea of many invaders in the statement, “I ... will cause many nations to come up against you.” As history records, many nations did come up against the island city of Tyre, but it was Alexander the Great, laying siege against the island city of Tyre in about 332 b.c., who finally conquered the city and left it in total ruins so that it was never rebuilt. When rightly understood, Ezekiel’s prophecy perfectly fits the historical record.
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prob dead or some of the survivors. one of the attacks is described as an EMP attack so likely a solar flare. If you are living in space and get hit with a emp life support is down and death is a possible outcome.
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It doesn't. It literally represents man. biologists found human genetics produces the number 666. 666 is literally the identify of man itself. The mark of the beast uses this number because it represents the person vowing to separate themself from God and fully identify as the fallen flesh. Not as being a spirit in communion with God which is what the text states we really are, and meant to be doing.
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@Cutie_Oni what? no. It's righteous justice. Jesus comes and saves Israel right when it's being attacked.
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Or pyramid. It doesn't have to be a cube.
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@firebyrd437 no it doesn't. and furthermore God never judges the wicked with the righteous. There is no way possible God's people will endure the tribulation.
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@firebyrd437 lmao not even remotely you have zero argument there. sounds like you watched that made up movie zeitgeist that was a cash grab by the author. if you looked into any one of your assertions you'd see how absurd they are. have some shame you are making a complete fool of yourself to be that illiterate of history
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@firebyrd437 If I wanted to talk about God existing I'd write. Mankinds most proven knowledge the space time theorems have told us there must be a God. Borde and Vilenkin took Hawking and Penrose work on classic general relativity and expanded it as far as possible with 5 papers in an attempt to disprove the Big Bang and it's Christian implications and concluded "all reasonable cosmic models are subject to the relentless grip of the space-time theorems." They gave examples where you wouldn't need an absolute beginning to space and time but in such models you wouldn't have life. So there has to be a causal agent beyond space and time(God). But are they a personal "God"(intelligent, caring) or "something else." Fine tuning argument tells us the causal agent is a personal God. So we logically have God, and a personal God. So an easy test is which faith gives us the big bang, and fine tuning implications of an intelligent caring God. Well which has a personal caring God, and gets the claims of a big bang creation correct? Only Christianity nothing else comes close.
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@firebyrd437 No there is not 700 inconsistencies in the bible. You are getting that from an atheist website that disingenuously makes up these inconsistencies. Or have the reading comprehension of a toddler. Clearly you have never bothered to search any of this inconsistencies being addressed. Case in point your 144 000 nonsense. Some take the “144,000 of all the tribes of Israel” to be a spiritual reference to Christians. However, this view is not supported by the facts. First, the word “tribes” is never used of anything but a literal ethnic group in Scripture. Furthermore, if the number is taken seriously, surely it grossly under represents the number of believers there will be in heaven. True, the Bible nowhere reveals the exact number of believers there will be in heaven, but since there are billions of humans alive, and since there are easily multiplied millions of these who are saved, this is obviously not a reference to the total number of redeemed of all time. In addition, even the physical dimensions of the New Jerusalem (Rev. 21:16–17), to say nothing of the rest of God’s vast universe, could contain a much larger number than 144,000 people. Revelation 7:9 declares that there were, in addition to the 144,000, “a great multitude ... of all nations” who were also redeemed, which not only indicates that the saved are not limited to them but that the passage makes more sense if taken literally.
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Marylin Hickey has a much better explanation if you are looking for one.
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if that was the case there would be no continuity spanning dozens of authors writing those 66 books over thousands of years and in different languages. cool theory though.
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