Comments by "faron tilley" (@forzaisspeed) on "Binkov's Battlegrounds"
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@KjetilBalstad
Makes sure you read it carefully, not like dumbass kids that just try to attack 1 or 2 areas.
The Eurofighter is the best.
Some Example's to show why the Eurofighter is king, few years reading reports and papers and speaking with pilots themselves on the matter, and all can be found online Paper's and Reports open to read.
The Specs of the Eurofighter vs F-22 for example and some others to compare.
Speed /
Eurofighter - 1550 mph - Mach 2.0 TMS.
F-22 - 1495 mph - Mach 1.95 TMS.
Rafale - 1381 mph - Mach 1.8 TMS.
F-16 - 1500 mph - Mach 1.95 TMS.
F-35 - 1200 mph - Mach 1.56 TMS.
Altitude Ceiling /
Eurofighter 65,000 f.
F-22 65,000 f.
Rafale 50,000f.
F-16 50,000+f.
F-35 50,000f.
The Sustained and Instantaneous Turn Rates, reports and papers that I've read over the years, state some what different numbers to others, so I've found the mid of the numbers for a ( about number ), for example the Eurofighter some reports and papers say between 26 to 31 D/S, so about 28.5 D/S and again for the F-22 between 25 to 29.5 D/S so about 27 D/S.
But just to say that yes the F-22 uses 1D Thrust Vectoring, but the Eurofighter had the highest number, in most reports and papers, but I'll get to why Thrust Vectoring on the F-22 is not something you want to trust in, due to its quick energy bleed and loss of speed quite fast, and if it does not get in to position quickly, it's like a sitting duck.
Sustained Turn Rate /
Eurofighter - about 28.5 D/S.
F-22 - about 27 D/S.
Rafale - about 27 D/S.
F-16 - about 18 D/S.
F-35 - about 11 to 16 D/S.
Instantaneous Turn Rate /
Eurofighter - about 36.5 D/S.
F-22 - about 35 D/S.
Rafale - about 36 D/S.
F-16 - about 26 D/S.
F-35 - about 26.5 D/S.
Now focusing more on the Eurofighter vs F-22.
Engine Thrust /
Eurofighter 21,500 ibf x2.
F-22 35,000 ibf x2.
Plus the Eurofighter's EJ200 Engines are the most advanced, with a reliability rate of over 1000 hours and still performance like new.
Eurofighter is lighter and smaller so a higher Thrust to weight ratio.
The Eurofighter has better range / Combat and A to B.
The Eurofighter Has a Better Dive/Cilmb Rate with better energy hold.
G's and -G's.
Eurofighter 9+ and -3.5G's.
F-22 9+ and -3.2G's.
Most jet's can pull 9+ G's but only some can high -G's.
Hard Points /
Eurofighter 13.
F-22 8.
Gun /
Eurofighter x1 27mm with 150 rounds.
F-22 x1 20mm with 480 rounds.
Missiles BVR - WVR /
Eurofighter BVR Meteor Missile the best in the world x2 ranges 1st 150km for fast agile Targets 2nd in testing showed to go 300km for other Targets, The Biggest NEZ of 60km, Speed of Mach 4.5, more Agile then the AIM-120D, as well the Meteor uses a ramjet meaning it maintains power to the target, WVR the ASRAAM Faster then the AIM-9X and more agile between 5 to 55km, and the ASRAAM is a 6.5inch diameter vs the 5inch on the AIM-9X so about a 70% more volume rocket propellant, meaning a longer burn time.
F-22 BVR AIM-120D 1x range Maxed at 160km a NEZ of 20km, and a speed of Mach 4, WVR AIM-9X more agile under 5km, range 30+km.
And both AIM-9X and ASRAAM use a IR seeker, so heat seeking and the ASRAAM and newer 9X's able to be used as LOAL and LOBL with the ASRAAM being able to outperform the 9x in 180 over the shoulder launches, and with the ASRAAM using IR imaging to better its ability.
But no pilot will use the full range of their missile, like the 150+km on the Meteor or the 160km on the 120D due to the low chance of really hitting anything, and giving the enemy longer for the RWS's to pick it up and just do a 180 run, making the distance longer for the Missile, you'll want to fire within about 100 - 70km or even 50km, to have a higher chance for the Missile to hit and less time for the enemy to have to counter.
This is what I find funny is that people say, ( well this jet can fire from hundreds of miles away and kill it before ) NO, it's Bullshit their are the one's that don't know fuck about RWS's - MTT or even Defences, older 3rd gen jets with old as shit RWS's yes probably, but not 4th gen or 3rd gen with advanced or one of the most advanced RWS's ever in it.
Just to point out that the numbers on all missiles like the 120D Meteor R-77 PL-15 and so on, all have a range of what it can do with still the ability to hit a target ( effective range ), but most of the time it's in good weather conditions, so ranges will very.
Eurofighter uses the Striker 2 Helmet more advanced and able to lock on to targets and fire with out lining the jet up with the target, and has night vision built in, with out needing a different piece of equipment on the pilots head.
F-22 is outdated and old the hardware and software is not there to be able to use the Helmet to lock on and fire like the Eurofighter can, so the F-22 needs to line up to lock and fire.
Radar /
The Eurofighter uses one of the best Radars out today Captor M most powerfule in its class Plus it has a wider field of view then some electronic scan radar with a fixed plate, able to pick up the F-35 and F-22 from distance, and able to track a multi group of targets at once, plus the new Captor E Radar will and is one of the most powerfule Morden Radars for the Future.
F-22 has a good Radar picks up the Eurofighter from distance as well but even though the F-22 may see the Eurofighter at about 200km the 120D's range is 160km max and no pilot will use max range, and with the Eurofighter jamming for example in some exercise the F-22 was not able to get a lock until about 30km away from the Eurofighter, and same with F-22 and most jet's having jamming to stop the lock on's, but the F-22's radar cant handle as much as other radars can, but still can track lots of targets.
Plus the Eurofighter has many different radars and systems around the Jet's body, helping it in RWS's and able to see a 360 decrease around the Jet, plus the Eurofighter's new Captor E Radar being able to fire Missiles then turn the jet more then 90 dec and still having the ability of guiding the Missiles to the target, as well as the Striker 2 gives the Eurofighter a bigger advantage in a BVR fight, but the F-22 does not have such abilitys and with just the one radar for fox 1 and fox 3's for example needs to maintain the Radar pointing at its target, meaning the F-22 is getting closer and closer to its target, and does not have IRST like the Eurofighter so the F-22 is blind in the heat seeking area, plus with the Eurofighter's IRST Pirate has a range of over 70 - 100km and able to pick up a stealth jet like the F-22 at 50+km, meaning the Eurofighter can fire a ASRAAM at the F-22, and it being a Imaging IR missile it is harder for the F-22's RWS to pick up on, not impossible but harder to see, the F-22 does not have other systems around the body to help guide any missile after it turns beyond its radar sight, so making the F-22 again having to stay pointing at the enemy getting closer and closer to it, and with the Eurofighter have IFF DASS MIDS LDP DVI VTAS HOTAS and IRST as well as the mean radar and others the Eurofighter is just getting better and better, as well as its specs and proformas.
In War Games the Eurofighter and F-22 have both won against each other in WVR, but the Eurofighter and F-22 have not fought in BVR yet.
Design /
Eurofighter was designed for Air Dominance and does have some stealth in the design having the smallest RCS against the Rafale and Gripen, with the Wing Design on the Eurofighter it is 20% more efficient then your wing design on the F-22, The Eurofighter is a Swing-Roll as well meaning it can hold both air to air and air to ground payloads at the same time, the F-22 its one or the other.
The Eurofighter can do all the F-22 can do plus more, The Eurofighter has better specs better Missiles better Hardware and Software plus is used by the best the RAF.
Plus the F-22 is to expensive for the US to upgrade and keep maintaining, the F-22 was stop being made years ago, but the Eurofighter is still being maintained and still being updated with newer and newer Hardware and Software.
Eurofighter King.
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Daniel Large
Stealth means nothing, in fact stealth holds jets back.
Stealth can be defeated with a IR System, Morden IR System can track the heat between the Jet's body and wings due to the friction with the air, so for example the Eurofighter's IRST Pirate System, can see and track the F-22 from around 100+km depending on the weather, and with the Meteor Missile able to use that range, while the F-22 a doesn't have a IRST and can only track with its APG-77 or 77v1, and yes maybe able to see the Eurofighter from around 100+km away using Radar the F-22 doesn't have a Missile that can be used, the 120D is a SSR and only really having a good hire rate at around 70-80km, and the F-22's RCS is only good in a head on, if the F-22 needs to turn your show any other part of its body to the Eurofighter, the Eurofighter's Captor M for now, can see the F-22 at around 55km in a head on, but as soon as the F-22 moves the range of the Captor M to the F-22 goes up, and RAM only absorbs around 10-15% of the Waves fr Radars anyway.
Basically Stealth doesn't help in the real world, especially if you don't have the weapons to back it up with, the F-22 would need to get within 70km to have a "good chance" of a hite, while the Eurofighter has the F-22 all locked in to fire at 80km for example, remember BVRM's have a bad hit rate at distance and the 120D being a SSR vs the Meteor being a DSR Ram engine.
As for the F-35 yes it's stealthy and is going to be fitted with the Meteor well the Royal Navy's B types are, the F-35 has bad performance and bad specs, no Supercruise for one that weakens the F-35's stealth if it has to go over Mach 1, plus its can't turn as tight or climb as high, 50,000f no supercruise can't turn or run, only holds 4 to 6 BVRM's depending on load out and Type of F-35, with 2 IR Missiles, yes is has very good Software and Electronic Warfare abilities, but as soon as its seen and in the real world, in a war zone with other systems in play the F-35 will need to have back up, SU-35 is more then capable of taking out the F-35.
Plus the US is returning the F-22 early somewhere in the 2030's, so the US soon won't have a jet to back up the F-35 with.
Stealth is good on paper and in Red Flag, but in a real life fight/war stealth not so good, especially now with Morden jets and not old 3rd generation MIG's.
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