Comments by "May L" (@MeiinUK) on "Cyrus Janssen"
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@HeartOfChina : I do not think you know how sarcastic you sound when you say certain things, without understanding the context of those literary pieces.... Confucius was a scholar. Modern day term to describe him can be a civil servant. He wrote some pieces, which, some were advisory to the State. Others, were more of a joke, or a micky take, on life. "Wu wei" is one of those pieces. It spells "nonsense". This is why the censors keep taking down Winnie The Pooh. Cos it is coming across as mocking. Even though I myself have the original book "Tao of Pooh", on how the writer tried to interpret the philosophy itself. For his own child. He wrote those books for his kid. The way he tried to explain yin-yang, or wu-wei... using stories is good enough. It just means sometimes "give and take" is a good thing. This is all it means. I also have the very good Buddhism book by actual Tibetans, translated into English. Which is better. Cos it talks of life as being in cycles. Life and death comes in cycles. It is how one has to control their fear, and their tempers can return to eternal life. Which is the same concept really as most major religions at heart, and its true ethos.
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It is so sickening, when I see this so called "youths" coming online.. and the things which they say... are immoral. And they actually did not know, about the different hardships as well, which happened in different regions of the country. And yet, would just continue to add oil to the fire... For so many of us, who experienced some effect of the Japanese war and broken families.... So many of us, have lived in peace, and in joy, for like 20 to 30 years, before this current virus situation has again, kicked open this kind of stupidity and discussion. Like, we have not cried enough in previous generation. When the media show those Tankman. It is already a piece of history. For those of us living, who are not and have not heard of those stories from their parents, and what went on into different regions of the country ? And who acted out in which way ? Why do the previous generation keep saying things like "I bless you wealth", or "good health, and good wealth". It is because they do not wish to be reminded. Those of us who wanted to learn about history, then they can do so. Some people will write about it. Do it in your own time. Do not drag others, into this argument !!!
I do not wish to be one of these grumpy old elders.... But at the same time, do not accuse any of us, as guilters. Cos that was not your history.
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You should listen to some of these so called actual old newspaper clips. The older generation which was raised towards those articles, only a small handful of those people are stepping forward and retelling the truths. Otherwise, this generation, they clamp down on the so called truths... and do not let the youngsters understand history in its whole context. Mao... in the beginning, he said that.... He proposed, there maybe should ought to be around 5 Nations. That is, Tibet, Uyghur, Mongolia, Manchuria, and China Proper. The Nationalists, were Southern Hans Chinese, wanting to fight the North. But maybe in their actual fact finding situation, has seen enough. And most people did not take their sides either ? So what happened then, was even more cruel. One nation's people, tried to kill the other nation's people. This still continues to this day !!!! Some migrants, do not even claim to be that nation's citizens any more. This is the travesty ! Cos if you claim that, you are from Nation A, and not Nation B... you will now be openly claimed as 1) traitor to the country, and 2) betrayal to the State, and 3) sedition, and 4) treasons. THIS was NEVER said EVER in the past before !!!! So this is absolute BS !!! As you can read this entire thread from beginning to the end... who, or which citizen, from which region, speak which BS or not. So many citizens, are confused today. Even if they stepped into another Nation's territory, they do not learn to fit in. Cos they have this kind of expectation ? This is why today, China is still in turmoil.... Corruption is rife. Everything. Cos they won't close borders, and develop those nations. Those regional governors just want to keep their jobs. THIS is a link which talks about the political tier of the mainland China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0YjL9rZyR0&t=560s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5SE47Xjx2Q&t=355s
7 years ago, you may find this kind of American joke and diplomacies. Today, I do not think so. And do you see, how some of these regions can be actually affecting the GDP growths ?
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@Shenzhou. : You are EXTREMELY thick... and this is one of those situation that, even the Premier is going to be so annoyed at you. And the momentum is getting bad. The people who worked with "china", was the shipping countries. It was not the East Europeans. The East Europeans went up North and invaded into the Russian areas and Siberians. From the South... They had authorisation, to work WITH the government. And those countries were the Dutch, and West Europeans. Talk about legitimacies.
"The Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) is an intergovernmental organization located in The Hague, Netherlands. "
You are trying to use NORTHERN politics into SOUTHERN regions. Well... F OFF !!!! I wish the Ming dynasty comes back. Cos you guys are screwing up a lot of the diplomacies, and some of the migrants from the middle regions are also confused as well. At this rate, the world is going to go to war. Because of your ass-wipey comments. And to think that some of the West European governments gotten confused over what is what, and who is who from which province... It really is just... a NIGHTMARE !!
The PCA is a country-to-country organisation. It is not the UN. UN is global. PCA is regional, with those who have contracts and trade LOCKED down in law. So you are saying to me that, you want the HIGHEST level to clamp down and CRUSH the country to country level ? Is this not an abuse of power ? What has the situation got to do with those who is not involved in the contractual obligation ??? Also, the MING Dynasty issue.. which is why the PCA is set up, is NOT and HAVE NOT got ANYTHING to do with the Northern Siberians/Manchurians !!!! Dream on !!!
I don't advice to knock down Beijing's high rises, cos I think it looks ugly, and it should have more sun. So why are you involved in this argument ? Nothing to do with you.
If you push this, then I am sure that, all of these SE Asian countries will push back. And if you say, who is MORE Chinese. Sorry, but some of the SE Asian countries have more of a Hans pure blood than you do in the mainland. So has Korea, and so has Japan. So it belongs to those Chinese, and not to Northern Mongols.
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At this rate, Taiwan, genuine Ming dynasty descendent, Republic of China, is going to take back the country. Sorry, but you guys have had enough of this ... and you are causing a mess !!! You changed the entire country to not even speak Chinese, but speaks Manchurians, and a version of Arabic as well... Bastardised to this extent... Brainwashed. The language was even dumbed down, into this nonsense of "no brush strokes is the right brush strokes" of a language.... FFS. PRC this, PRC that, well.. maybe it is time that PRC stepped down, and ROC takes back the country !!!
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@Shenzhou. : FYI.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_Court_of_Arbitration
"The Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) is an intergovernmental organization located in The Hague, Netherlands. It is not a court in the traditional sense, but provides services of arbitral tribunal to resolve disputes that arise out of international agreements between member states, international organizations or private parties.[3] The cases span a range of legal issues involving territorial and maritime boundaries, sovereignty, human rights, international investment, and international and regional trade. The PCA is constituted through two separate multilateral conventions[4] with a combined[5] membership of 122 states.[5] The organization is not a United Nations agency,[6] but the PCA is an official United Nations Observer.[7]"
It "observes" if parties involved in the contracts and trade breaks the laws or not !! This is what they do. It has many countries as its members ! It is not a court. But it is an entity for all involved parties to talk... (in order to avoid fighting, as in a war). THIS is why they exist. If any party breaks their obligations. A member of the security council, will indeed take orders from the UN and then go to war. Most UN members normally sign this authorisation. So, do not accuse US of always going to war. Cos many other countries had to declare war as well. From direct orders of the UN's outcome. So, nobody wants to push to the UN level ! By reaching the UN level, it is no longer discussion, it is more about sanctions, or fight.
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@TheDennisgrass : He is bluffing you. In reality so many countries have official borders, to denote that they are another country. In China, what they have done is that, they allow that individual to have an actual registered abode. Their "hukuo". Which is kind of like a citizenship. A citizenship/hometown passport, to denote that is your residency. So if you move elsewhere, it can only be temporary or for work. But you do not get full benefits. (This is mimicking what exists in Europe, and in the US.) However... what he said about the fact there are different members of CCP parties of different ethnicities are also untrue. Cos it seems like, and this part I am not 100% certain on, in terms of the definition and the logic of how it is applied... It is that, when he stated that, some people are the descendents of an ethnic race. I accept the logic if BOTH parents were so. However, following chinese marriage laws... This does not seems to be the case. In the West, you would accept it based on your parent's race. But in China, your surname is inherited from your father, but some often say if the mother is non-Hans, and the father is Hans, then they classify the child as Hans. So... I mean... even when a child is supposedly mixed race, they register and only pick one. i.e. The Father's. So how can he really say that it is fair, in terms of picking different ethnic group's citizens as members? Cos in reality, many of them are actually not so. They try to fudge it a little bit as such, to make it sound good. This is why most of course, would not really biologically BE of that race any more, cos even their DNA do not show it as such. --- When I said that some races in China are to be eradicated in this century, I was not kidding !
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But Canada, and the US, is indeed "new countries", if you compared relatively to other countries and nations. But "China", has a LONG history !!! It is like Europe... It needs to be accepted that, when people leave an area, and lock down. Then that area, has a provincial leader, and be accepted by that region's laws. I am tired and sick of the numerous rants on HK, and the "rich people" of the SE.... I think some people have never been told what they have to do, and how the provincial governments work... Japan does not have this kind of BS. Nor does South Korea. People always say that, China is a growing country. Er... please leave it alone... and let it grow itself, at its own pace. And also to... let them slowly teach their own people to do the right things... and not to actually cheat and skip things. Let them build each component, province by province. i.e. Banking in province A. banking in province B. Banking in province C. etc etc etc. Education in province A. education in province B. education in province C. etc etc etc.
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You can thank the mongolian descendended "manchu" (who are the same people, but they decided that it isn't, but they are).... Just cos they followed traditional chinese surname conventions, and lineage.... This is why, and how come "mongolians" became "manchus"... became..."chinese" now. Cos the powers that be, in Imperial Qing, dumbed down the Chinese language, in order to appease these manchu descendents... And of course, the likes of Cyrus, is going to benefit.. Cos he wants to kowtow to whoever is in power. That is why. (If the Ming dynasty was still in existence, and practised, he would be shot to death !)
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To be honest, this is VERY normal. Even Auntie was raised in the UK. During the 1980s, the North area, the entire industry collapsed. I lived in an old mining town. When the mining has disappeared, what do I need to do, to become part of the future work and the future economic development ? I have to study at university. I chose science, cos in my city, it was a metal mining town, so I learnt some equipments etc. Because auntie's father was part of the shipping industry in HK. Basically, distribution, I went on to study IT, and specialised in distribution systems... and the rest is history. Of course I was able to participate in the technology era, for my city, and for the country as well. I mostly work around the different manufacturing towns. For these ethnic minorities, I do not feel bad for them if they get priviledged options, but their work, is going to be even tougher, when they go back home, and then participate in raising the standards and to increase their own hometowns.. THIS is something which during the Mao's era, people could not do. Cos they were too ambitious. I hope that those individuals, would be able to be recruited into major big companies, and I hope that those companies, would DELIBERATELY recruit these students again, in the future, so that they too, could see their own participation in their own hometowns, and live to tell the tales for their next generation. I wish this much for them. Do something which is meaningful for yourself, and for your family. Each generation, need to help the other to keep raising the standard of living, always. Always always. Even in my uni, during my degree, many Malaysian or Singaporeans were the same. Some people had to pay private fees, some were on government subsidies, that was as designed, but.. if you take a step backwards, if my ex-uni peers, did not go home to build their homes, would SE Asia, be what it is today ? Answer is a good "no". So the Malaysian muslims got subsidies, but then again, it stopped their children rearing, even if it slowed down the growth of, say 10 to 20 years... Before they have one child. This then can lift up hygiene, medicine, etc etc. It will equalise. This is why most people NEED to listen to what is happening to their local areas !!!
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Let me ask you this question, "Who" decided "mandarin" is a "national language" ??? It is for the Western ears. Those who needed to trade. But should these so called trades, now erode and override the entire country, and of those 1.4 billion people, and their goddamn rights ?? I think you do not know that the PRC only was merely created, cos SOME people INSIDE China, sold and lost a lot of money to other countries, right ? So now, the entire "single country" have to pay off the debts of those people ?? Why? Why should they ? Do you realise that a lot of these people do not even know that there was a war ??? And then, some of the Northern citizens knew exactly what happened during the second world war cos they were involved. But other regions and areas, had zero idea the country went to war. So... for them to suddenly even be pushed to do work, in order to pay off these people and give them money, like in the form of a tax... This is so rich !!! You have no idea how the imperial system during the ming dynasties and various regions worked, did you ???
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@boonteetan4448 : I think you do not know what is happening, do you ?
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https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=4bICAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
Even the above link, in a separate time, documented who the "red army" from Russia was... This is that period before the CCP party came into power. And who made them come into power? Russia released the prisoners... and they rushed into "manchuria"... These so self proclaimed "red army" killed those innocent manchus. This is what happened. What is the difference between "real" and "fake" ? In the Western world, "real" is if everybody voted you in. Fake, is if you claim something, and nobody agrees with you. In those times, who "authorised" and have the legitimate "right" to give them those powers ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3zaY3EA-80&t=574s
Mao's comment on how to split the country. He suggested 27 nations. So why is there 27 nations ? Cos they are separate actual nation in its own right. Who is making out, as if china, is a single country ?? With a single government ?? Do you not think that this is the Western media's actions doing so ?? Why does it have 27 nations, and those boundaries line never move ? Do you assume that you could move in, and move out of countries, without authorisation ? Cos most of the SE Asian countries, and its citizens, often speaks up... in a way and manner that... You guys assume that there is NO boundaries. In Europe, nobody would dare to confuse UK with France, for example. If the other country lock down the border, then it is locked. They have their perogative. When you speak "national" language... Which "nation" specifically ? There is actually 27 nations. Only people who have lived in the US, or deals with UN, say "China has a national language". To many in the mainland, they have 27 nations ! Rightly so !!! THIS big gap in difference and in understanding, is what is screwing up the country now. Cos "the CCP party" and government at the state level, they signed up to WTO...(even without the endorsements from the people, or those 27 nations)...
BTW.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5SE47Xjx2Q
China, right this moment, is collapsing... i.e. They are experiencing, what HK did before, what Japan did before, what Malaysia did before. An actual financial crash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kcA1Woq2Z4
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Chilean Cowboys : Bloody hell ! Have you read what Daniel Dumbrill wrote ?! WTF !!! Chi sin !!! Try and get THIS translated then !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3zaY3EA-80&list=PLjSIHCoR9kYof3pyGuxDCyUddxwYbsXZf&index=2
The "Nationalists" were the real Hans Chinese, wanting to reunite the Hans China Proper. The so called "War Lords" were the civil servants. The people who were gifted the land, kind of like the Lord and the Lady titles in the UK. They already existed, before some idiotic people came along and declare the country belongs to them. This is why Chiang did not have to do very much in order to raise people to help him. Cos they all followed the same desire. To see the country be united. And this meant, away from the tribes, which did not form China. Who then tried to bring Tibet, The North-West, which was Manchu.. all under one ? The Nationalists did not want this. This is NOT their desires ! Once you allow your enemies to actually erode the boundaries, as well as the people, in blood, and in bloodlines.. what else do you have left ? Nothing. You have nothing left. And this is what happened. Due to the influence of the US, who the Manchus or the Japanese, owe money to. Did Japan paid for the war in the end, or the damage to the Manchus ? Who were the bonds, that the US keeps threatening ?? Who helped the Russian rise ? And then the Russian took away the army tools left in Manchuria... and then the Communist, swooped in ?? Is it cos the "West" or the US saw the rise of the North-West, so much so that, they didn't want Russia to get stronger ? That they concentrated with the South, or to help the Japanese then ? Didn't US bombed Pearl Harbour to push back the Japanese ??
Funny how things came around... and now, the narratives is this ? At least those reporters have decencies... Meaning they are honest about their intention and their actions. Funnily enough, it was Sun Yat Sen, who met with Hitler... and it was Hitler who killed the Jewish people. And it is the Communist.. who believed in that Jewish ideology... and influences of Marx.... Communism was on the rise across the globe. Going against the idea of a nation as well. So much so that, most people were against it. Cos in the end, it was a Russian ideology. You guys have a nerve to twist history now.
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But the point is, you are speaking something which nobody else speaks... except those who wants to control you. So therefore they will tell you what to say. Then from what to say, to what to do. Where is your legitimate rights gone to ?! THIS is the whole point !!!! Why is Thailand having troubles now ? And how come in China, the CCP party HOARDS all of the gold, and ALL of the money ? And collect those real money, like they are the Imperial Dynastic family ? Did you know that is what they do ? In a workable country, the money go to the people, not to a single "party". This is the whole point !!! People work so hard, but the money goes to the so called "government"... and their families... and the worker only gets around like 0.00001 % !!! And people are not even learning and educated about their own environment, and their own areas, but they are educated for another language, and for something else. Which they would never ever ever ever actually use to benefit to and to grow their own family. This is the point.
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@yffrendy7618 : Just how f!cking dare you ??? PRC only formed in 70 years ago. Even then, there is no single "country" !!! Even when Mao formed, he wanted to control the entire region which is current today. But you have to remember this. Mao was nothing. He was a nobody. There never WAS any actual single country. This is the point !!! Each areas had their own nations. It has and have had actual armies, their own civilised grouping. Mayors, or Armies or Civil servants, or whatever it may be. Some of the English text which you read today, they called it "war lords". Er.. NO....!! Not all of them were illegitimate !! For a nothing, to turn into the single control... This argument is falling apart. The language is not even the "single language", cos you are under the assumption that there had been. But there has never been a single country ! You are spreading more and more and more lies, until these people forget who they are... until that point in time, then you are trapped ! Goodness me !!! Chi sin. Who the hell can do this. The US has an agenda to "force" people into the "single country concept". Cos they lie about how much China owns them in terms of bonds. And they are assuming that the so called Qing Dynasty run the entire country. But in reality, it did not. Cos even some areas rejected this, and they fought off the enemies !!! Good for them !!!! And it is not that those people have NOT forced off these enemies, cos they have ! Why do you think that some people keep saying things like "push back"...
How can you force 1.4 billion people to be under a "single country" ??? They live within their rightful nations !!! And his classification is also wrong. It is his kind of "foreigners info", which seems to allow and enable some of you ignorant overseas chinese to lap up this narrative. I am glad that SOME people inside the country does not agree with you !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4C9PufXNis&t=398s
Am so glad that these people read the original papers... even before PRC was formed. Even before actual CCP was formed. Did you think that some people did not existed before these entities were formed ?? I think you misunderstand that some people are running under a government. CCP is more like a private gentleman's club... and they hoard the salaries of so many citizens in the country. Did you know this ???
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@yffrendy7618 :That video link.. it talked about how the rise of communism existed... And how that a Jew went into North China.. to try and to find people to follow communism. So they found some. And they tried to want the desire to make or to build things together. It was a political idea group only. It has no absolute power, and nor have they actually got any legal rights !!!! That link, is talking about betraying China. Who betrayed China to begin with. Who let in the Russian ideas.. and then to overthrow some of the chinese ? During the Qing Dynasty as well.. even some Hans Chinese were killled in those banners. Did you also know that, the Dutch, who came into the shipping areas, were also Jewish as well ??? If I take a big step backwards, it seems like that the so called Chinese were mostly used by the Jews than anything, to make them rich more. That is how I see it. Whatever you guys are taught in chinese schools in SE Asia.. I'm sorry... but I bet it is selective. Cos why would anybody tell you such things ? Only a real city in the mainland, would teach these subjects. That link, the topic which they are talking about.. is about taught in HK schools as well, in the DSE subjects. Even Japanese are taught about the history of China too. And how Japan was really an Ally in Northern/Russian areas.. and how they were contributary towards the Russians. If there were not relationships kept, then Japan would not have sent their imperial army in to help the Manchu reinstate Puyi.... Only to allow Communism rise.... and they stole the Japanese' left over army tools, to kill the manchus. A lot of Northern Chinese, ran downwards to the South. There had always been a North and South line and boundaries. This is a known line. Classified as the "Hu Line". So when you say and talk in a manner as if there should NOT be a line. This is a big joke.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_and_southern_China#/media/File:Qinling_Huaihe_Line.png
Great Wall of China, was also a wall to stop the tribes from the North-East to invade into China Proper.
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@yffrendy7618 : Do you know why people are angry ? Because the people who spoke a different dialect, or a language, is the OWNER OF THEIR OWN LAND. It is from invasion and from migration (basically running away from your own designated hometowns), which has allowed people to be more demanding, and bully the original settlers in those regions. I do not care.. if you are Chiu Chow person. But Canton should speak Cantonese, and speak Yue. I spoke weitou when I was a child, but it sounds a lot like Yue/Cantonese. This is the major group sound and tone and language. Taiwan had a SMALLER population of Min speakers, but majority of the people were actually FROM the Canton region. Cos the aboriginal settlers WERE from Canton. There is even an actual DNA trace, and settlers from those regions. So how can Northerners invade the entire country and call it their own, when the settlers who came first, were the Southerners !?!?!! Even carbon dating items, showed that those items from the South came first, before the North appeared. And now, people are claiming "Korean/Mandarin" as the real Hans Chinese ! Er....!!!
You mean erosion of people and their language is how you actually control the power of the country ? I bet you that the US wanted a "single country". I bet you that the West wanted a "single country".. Er... the entire country had many provinces which is the size of an European country !!!!! So DO NOT SPEAK FOR OTHERS !!!
Thanks to bad classification, so many children today of the South, are BULLIED EVERY DAY !!! BULLIED THROUGH AND THROUGH !!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_Atlas_of_China
They get so bullied and ghosted that, they do not even dare admit to their own language.... People can just F OFF. This is why there should not be a "single country" !!! Sun Yat Sen will turn in his grave.. Those Southerners who were also sent abroad to dig for gold and to work manual jobs.. Only to be claimed as the ones who came from Fuijian.. and so forth. Like, our legacy did not matter, and was not true. All of the historical histories, twisted, to make them look good, and we look bad. Get the facts right first ! "Hakka/ Hokkien / Teow Chew " - are ALL forms of Min language group.
There has been a lot of developments in Hong Kong and the South, cos it had its own provincial governor for years and years and years.... Only for people to erase this history. Janssen here, thinks that, he can speak ABOVE those collective groups of around 30 to 70 million people, all around the South. Well done stupid Janssen ! For raising a subject that he has zero clue about !!! "Oh, you should speak the "majority NATIONAL language as well"... Er... F OFF !!!!!! If it was not for this lock down and the internet, and this social media generation now, I would NOT know, how much Cantonese people have been bullied at all !!! And all of this talk about splittist attitude and HK etc. And all of these sudden Malaysian and Singaporean dipsticks, coming out talking in Mandarin as well... As if they own the world... Sorry, but please back off. Trade is just trade. Do not erase someone's family-tree, their identity, their language, and their intimacies with their families. What trash. Selling their soul for money. The expectation seems to be somewhat high ! No wonder people used to kill others for their invasion... Janssen does not think that he is invading. This is the ignorance !!!
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If people looked at this map, "China Proper" is shrinking. The invasion of the Mongols, during the Yuan dynasty, has allowed the spread of this mix match of a language, to be eroded into the entire country. Some people did not agree with this kind of tribal invasion. Some people assume that they are the same people. But if they have been kicked out of the Great Wall boundary and lines, are they really the same people ?? Er... They are not, and even DNA dating and checking shows that they are not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_Atlas_of_China#/media/File:Map_of_sinitic_languages_full-en.svg
This kind of trickery has been going on for centuries... It is no wonder in Guang Xi... People do not kowtow to this kind of thing, cos they protect their land, and they protect their heritages. GOOD for them.
So many people assume that so many citizens "should" speak Mandarin. There is no "should" !!!! It is time that there need to be a boundary line between North China, and South China, this is enough. Enough is enough. Cos it is no longer China any more, than it is a mongolian state. One big mongolian state. Enough. People can F off. The amount of harm that so many people have done to the people, for centuries...
And sometimes those Malaysians, who have once migrated away from their own towns.. do not even accept the fact that, they should not speak a second dialect, that is not their own. They adopt, and assume that they should and ought to be influenced by that. It is wrong. If you cannot get a job not being able to speak Cantonese, then you are eliminated. Then it means someone else will get the job. This is as designed ! You do not see people kicking up a fuss in Europe. People will just back off ? And if there is a genuine need, then there would always be a translator to be hired ? But oh no... People get more and more and more greedy. Even when government policies wanted certain languages to be promoted and certain areas to exist. This is like, taken away. If someone do not speak mandarin, it just means that they want to stay in their local areas !!!! What is wrong with this choice ?! Let them choose !!! Japan does not have this problem ! Korea does not have this problem ! (Japan and Korea have been protecting their own family-tree for CENTURIES !!!!) Whereas, SOME people in this thread, is talking about STEALING SOMEONE ELSE's FAMILY-TREE and heritages !!!! I AM NOT A KOREAN, OR A MONGOL ! I SHALL NOT PRETEND TO BE ONE !!!!!! I WILL NEVER BE A MONGOL !
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@stephenhill8790 : I would stay out of this argument, cos in China,,.... not be able to defend yourself... and using a different language, is not able to win the argument, and then you lose your home, your family etc etc etc... That is what and that is why. Even in HK. It was a rural city. And those villagers had to defend themselves a lot of times !!!! And yet, some people wants to make mega money... but not everybody wants to make mega money. Do not forget that, when HK was under the British... people paid taxes as well !!! This is why now, some arsey jealous people, assume that SOME cities are rich.. is because... they earned or something.. But in reality, it was PAID for by MY generation !!! We had to pay inheritance tax, so much that it crippled my family.... We never saw this passed onto the next generation.... And now, the so called elites of China now... Of course, THEY... are benefitting !!! Cos they kept it ! Both be the political tiers as well as the businessmen and... And then, the so called "poor" areas... These elites want to make them money slaves, basically. If you do not know what is happening.
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@Shenzhou. : Yes, you forget how the "country" became what it is today. A lot of us do remember, and the world also remembered world war two AS well.... And someone also admitted that, the Premier is actually of Korean heritage too... I thought he was Manchu. So you are saying that, those who live in their region, do not deserve actually regional integrities ??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4C9PufXNis&list=PLjSIHCoR9kYof3pyGuxDCyUddxwYbsXZf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3zaY3EA-80&list=PLjSIHCoR9kYof3pyGuxDCyUddxwYbsXZf&index=2
THIS is the list... of the different culture and the regions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Neolithic_cultures_of_China
"Communism" is actually illegal in Europe. Cos it killed a lot of people as well. So... I hope that most chinese citizens, do not embrace "communism".... as a political ideology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Neolithic_cultures_of_China#/media/File:Neolithic_china.svg
I accept Dabenkeng as Cantonese people, with the Yue language. Some of the so called Taiwanese mandarin, their speaking and their tones, I can grasp very easily because it has the same tones as Cantonese. I cannot stand and comprehend the Beijing dialect, that is because it is not chinese, or Hans chinese. I can accept that Dawenkou culture, has a lot of links to Korean in nature. But I do not accept Manchuria as the ruling class of the entire Chinese history and culture. Cos Siberians.. that is "white caucasian" people were found in the far North, which borders into outer Mongolia, and more. There is even a DNA map, which shows people who are NOT of the Chinese DNA !!!
Dalongtan is also a strong group of people, from Dai heritage, and they fought off the Northern invaders... For generation to generation. Those areas, have old human bones in there, and scientists have cross-referenced them to modern day living people... So please do not tell me WHO is more Chinese ! Cos they are NOT.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/World_Map_of_Y-DNA_Haplogroups.png
The red, and the pink is mostly DNA similar.. and they derive from the Denisovans.
There is a reason why some people cannot mix as well, cos one or two have been tribal people, and have never ever mixed with other modern day culture. Some of the modern day population is really from the last 200 years. Others have been living off in their own communities for centuries. Inter-breeding.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbreeding_between_archaic_and_modern_humans
In Japan, and in Korea, the government control who marries who, in an indirect way... There is a lot of reason why that is. For genetic illness reasons and so forth. Maybe you have never heard of the old elderlies.. talk of how babies used to die and never past a certain age.. This has nothing to do with science. I am sure that, most of the older generation knew exactly of many issues in giving birth. Way way way before modern science and techniques can check for good healths.
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@Shenzhou. : Go to hell. Seriously. Do go to hell. Just because the Manchus assumed that, the region which they occupied was the actual entire Middle Kingdom, does not mean that there is no central location, which was the Middle Kingdom. Which is a lot further down South. Just because Qing Dynasty was ruling, does not mean that they were good and kind people to the rural classes ! Cos they were not. And most people know that !!! Was it not the Hans Banners who were mixed into the various banners, that was ordered to be killed ? I think it was. Was it not during the Qing Dynasty who also ordered Hans soliders to kill their own people, back in their own hometowns and regions ? I think it was ! Do you not think that people would know, who were killed within the Imperial Palace's walls ??? You mean, those information would not get out of the palace ? You do not think that, KMT or Chiang knew about things like that ?? Even today, Hans, real Hans chinese, is only in a small minority. Between the invasion of Mongols... to the Qing Crazy Manchus. I think the real Hans population is extremely small today. This is why foreign powers are checked and verified... To stop full extermination !!!!
There ought to be 5 nations as was described by Mao before. Mongol/Tibet/Uyghur/Manchu/ China Proper !!! NO TO DYING HANS CHINESE ANY MORE !!!! DOWN WITH THE QING ! BACK WITH THE MING !!!!!!
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@Shenzhou. : What has other countries' politics got to do with the chinese politics ?! Don't try to scapegoat !!!! And NO... a LOT of us, have NOT forgotten the injustices of the past. To "kill you off" is the only option of governing. So are you going to keep killing off the people ?? I know, do the weird Qing Dynasty thing instead, which is inbreeding !!! Collect a brothel (let's be honest, this is the true and real term today), let the imperial palace create a brothel... and then actually rotate the women, so that your population exists. And then, let the inbreeding happens !!! WOW... what futuristic science !!! Oh no, there won't be genetic and medical issues further on down the lines !!! Pat yourself on the back !!! (And did you know, Beijing participated as well in those DNA projects, which was global ! Were you not told about it in the mainland media ?!!?!!! ) ..... Funny how "educated" you seem, but yet, do not read the news either ! How weird !
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Because historically, China, is made up of many mini-Kingdoms. The PRC is only in power for around 70 years. You are trying to tell me that, those kingdoms need to be eroded and need to go ? So that, there would be "one single china" ? How is this possible ? People are 1) being told lies, and 2) being told lies about themselves as well... i.e. discredited about their own sovereign race, and about their own heritages. Some people, in those "tribes" are "kings and queens" in their own tribes, or their own Kingdom. THIS is the injustices here.. Never mind the fact that, this guy is trying to so called promote them. But these so called Kingdoms, who fought... those who fought off the invaders, can tell the truths. The ones who did fight off... and has been educated and told the stories by their own people, remains strong. It is the weak groups, which are eroded and killed off over time. Some tribes are dying race. Even Europeans would not dare go this far... like the mainland has done... In fact, they have this feeling of entitlements. The Qing dynasty screwed up a lot. Even up to the Ming Dynasty, there was some loose order... now it has gone Pete Tong.
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Even so, those chinese who moved to say Malaysia or Singapore, they learned English, only because those countries were once upon a time, a commonwealth country. That is the ONLY connection. This is why they would do it. However, that said, those individuals, are actually classified as "economic migrants". i.e. They moved from one country, to another country, in order to earn more money. This is their intention. However, should an economic migrant like themselves, now get involved in the politics of the mainland alone ? WHY should THEY use THEIR priviledged position, to erode the other dialects or the other languages, in the other regions ? This is SO funny !!! And the same can be said of this Janssen Pratt as well. Who gives HIM the right, to erode those locals' dialects, and their speeches ? ALL in ALL, for the pursuit of "international acceptance" ?! This is ABSOLUTELY BS !!!! Some of these so called "Chinese", do not even recognise, or even accept that, they are from a specific "nation" of China, within the mainland. Under the different jurisdiction. They do not even accept that Manchuria, and Mongolia, were separate nations, or has their own integrities... Just cos the borders are not so well defined. They DON'T accept this to be the case. Cos it is "communism" to not allow boundaries to exist. And yet, on the opposite argument.. People are not even allowed to protect their lands, or their homes, when new migrants enter a new area.... They assumed that they could just share share... (Well, this share share attitude has allowed a lot of crimes to exist. Go as far as rape, go as far as some random Hans chinese man, walking into this Uyghur's woman's home, and SLEEP in their BED !!!) This is SHARE SHARE SHARE.... !!! Do you see the arrogance of SOME people ? Causing and provoking injustices ?
I think that the mainland, SHOULD promote, "new migrant ettiquettes"... or MIGRANT TESTS' !!! Just like the West do. i.e. If you CANNOT speak that local dialect, and PAST that test, then YOU CANNOT LIVE AND WORK THERE !!!! Cos it disturbs the peace !!!
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I will tell you one more thing. Even those migrants into Chinese Chinatown of the past. They all learnt Cantonese. It was the Cantonese people who "lost out", cos of marginalisation from those evil governors, who tried to "help their own people". The real Hans, in chinese history is often 1) killed, and 2) marginalised. The fact that, those migrants were pushed to go abroad to do "slave work"... actually resulted in their own loss of land, and also loss of their homes. If the British government did not held onto HK... I would say, my family would not have been able to go back to our village and build our old shackled home, back into an actual house, and to pick back up the bones and graves and put our ancestors to rest in a nice setting. THIS would never have happened, in my lifetime, or in my grandparents' life time. You see and hear a lot of these so called "hateful" comments now.... from Malaysians, and from Singaporeans about..." we were marginalised also, away from HK etc etc etc"... ER... that home belongs to somebody, and they have come back to claim it ! I am glad that the HK government kept 1) the records and 2) the land. Otherwise, like a wondering ghost... walk in zombie mode into this big wide world, without knowing where my ancestors live... or died in. So many people in china today, has no clue, where their great-grand parents were from, and where their graves are. Did you know that ? Ancestral worship is lost. You see the media always praising what poverty and what good was done, but they forget to show foreign viewers, who left where, and why they do not know their hometowns, or their heritage. Some people would even deliberately erase this history as well. Cos "it was unfair".... This argument, is what set people to kill, and to die for their families, and for their land. This still goes on today..... In the West, nobody would be this ungrateful. All graves are dug, and all building work is put on hold. Each person, and each life is accounted for. Every single person can trace their family-tree... all the way, back into the 1300 hundreds, and even the 1500s.... Can the average "chinese" person do this in the mainland ? No, they cannot.
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So your parents are like these people as well...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3zaY3EA-80&list=PLjSIHCoR9kYof3pyGuxDCyUddxwYbsXZf&index=2
I was born in the UK, but my grandparents spoke weitou. And it was before the university was created, and then the sociology dept take a lot of studies and kept records of the region. That is HK.. even during and even after the British left. So that there is a history of what went on before all of these so called modern developments. So weitou is what I ought to speak, but the education was taught in Yue. Or a formal Cantonese. It is not a dialect, cos the Hans chinese went down South. So this is formal Hans language. It would be great, for any academics, to find out the origins of languages. When and how etc. Some people say that some people spoke "hakka".. but in reality, they meant, they were migrants. The version which they speak, is maybe "Wu".
Whenever you try to standardise a group of people, they would lose their land, and their homes. So NO MORE OF THIS !!! Like this woman.
http://www.sixthtone.com/news/1006492/a-woman-called-hey
It would be great for any scholars or uni students, to do a study of this family.. and rebuild their family-tree for them.
I watched this woman, and I almost fell off my chair... Maybe because the government allow certain autonomous regions to be tourist traps. This is why that woman would say such things and make such things day in day out..... Translation "I am the ethnic group of the "White People"... and I make these items in blue die, and it keeps me white as well. See ? My hands are white. So this is why our names are called "White people". " If this is not a selling mimmick, then what is ??
https://www.facebook.com/goldthread2/videos/380588749885144
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