Comments by "Sandy Tatham" (@sandytatham3592) on "Middle East Eye"
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Please ask Egypt to allow for a secured area to be set up outside the Rafah border, in Sinai. A field hospital and humanitarian camp could be erected for pregnant women, babies, children, mothers of small children, the sick and the elderly. Food, water, medical supplies and fuel could easily be delivered where Hamas, UNRWA and the looters can't get their hands on it. It's inhumane of Egypt to TRAP vulnerable people in a war zone when they could easily give permission for a camp, with secure fence around it, to be set up. Foreign countries have offered the money to do so. Please open that border for this purpose alone...🙏
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@jesuispalestinien9108 : The fact that religion is losing its grip on people everywhere today is not usually considered a boring topic. I agree that things run in cycles, but we have never had access to information like we have had in the last 20 years, and evidence and facts are beginning to matter to young people more than ever before. If you believe that Muslims all have a choice in being believers or not, then I suspect you haven't lived in a country run on Sharia law where there are negative consequences to such a choice. But I guess it might feel nice to cherry-pick lines out of scripture.
Israel is a legitimate nation state. It came about through the defeat and collapse of the Ottoman Caliphate in 1918. All of the Arab countries which exist on liberated Ottoman Empire Middle East land, comprising 99%+ of the area, came out of the same origins as Israel. The Jews were acknowledged in 1920 by the League of Nations as the indigenous people of historic Palestine. They were granted less than 1% of the total Ottoman Caliphate ME land on which to form their new nation state, with non-Jewish occupants being accorded equality under the law. Today we see Arab Muslim Israeli citizens participating in the highest levels of Israeli society, including government, security, education, science and technology, and they comprise 21% of the total population.
Those living in historic Palestine in 1948 who did NOT accept Jewish rule, and who fled when the five surrounding Arab nations attacked Israel, would be considered 'displaced peoples'. They should long ago have been resettled in adjacent Arab lands, or in other countries. Just as the 850,000 Jews who were 'displaced' from Arab nations have been resettled in Israel or other countries today and who got on with their lives without complaining.
Millions and millions of people have been 'displaced' through wars and founding of new nation states in the last 100 years. Why are the so-called 'Palestinians' the only group that still receives huge funding and publicity today? Why do Jordan, Syria and Lebanon still hold such people in 'refugee' camps? Why are Palestinians punished for selling property to Jews? Why do Palestinian people allow themselves to be weaponised as political pawns in the game of Muslims vs Jews, which we see is running out of momentum?
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@tarana9329 : The Jewish people are #indigenous to the Holy Land, not Germany. When the Allied Powers (British, French, etc) defeated the Ottomans in 1918 they were under no obligation to give the land to anyone, but "in a spirit of democracy" and in return for support in the war effort, they chose to offer it to the occupants for self-determination. The Arabs got 99% of the Ottoman Middle East land (today's Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Saudi Arabia). The Jewish land forms only 1% of the former Ottoman Middle East land, and one-fifth of Israeli citizens are Arabs whose families accepted equality under the law with Jewish rule. Those Arabs who were hostile to Jewish rule should have moved to Arab lands, or accepted the 1947 partition plan and moved there.
Millions of people around the world in the last century have been #displaced through the creation of new nation states. In 1924 around 1.5 million Greeks and Turks were forced into a population exchange when Turkey was created. In 1947 up to 18 million people in South Asia were forced to move to the newly created Pakistan or to India. After the creation of Israel in 1948, around 800,000 Jews were forced out or had to flee their multi-generational homes in Arab countries.
Why are the Arabs who were living in Palestine in 1948, and who sided with the five Arab militaries which attacked the new state of Israel, a 'special cause' compared with all of the other refugees around the world? Why did they get their own refugee organisation UNRWA which was designed to perpetuate the limbo status of the Arabs from Palestine (some who were still relatively new arrivals to the area) instead of resettling them elsewhere like other displaced peoples?
I suggest you watch the 5min video called "Does Israel Occupy the West Bank" where Professor Eugene Kontorovich explains the international precedents which led to the dividing up of the land after the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in WWI.
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@NikoBellaKhouf2 : I understand that people might not be happy, but ever since humans existed they've moved around the globe, fought with each other, come to some resolution, and then got on with life. Over 750, 000 Jews were exiled or expelled from Arab countries over the last 100 years. Do they still WHINE about that today, or have they got on with their lives in their new countries?
I'm pleased that 'forced population exchanges' are a thing of the past thanks to international conventions. It seems that wherever Islam grows in power it forces its will on the minority populations, so your comment about it "not being necessary" is just nonsense. Pakistan, Bangladesh, Turkey, Iraq, Egypt, Lebanon, etc. are all fairly recent examples of the persecution and exile of minorities living under Islamic rule.
Israel already shares the land with 21% Arab Israeli citizens, most of them being Muslims. They have #equal rights under the law with Jews and other minorities, and they have freedom to worship. The vast majority of these Arab Israelis say they prefer Jewish rule to that of the corrupt Arab Palestinian rule.
Wars have consequences. When the Ottoman Caliphate was DEFEATED in 1918, they didn't get to choose who ended up with what land. However, the Arab occupants of the Middle East were granted self-rule over 99% of that broken-up Ottoman land!!! The #indigenous Jews of Israel want less than 1% and they SHARE it with Arabs. I suggest you watch the 5min video called "Does Israel Occupy the West Bank" where Professor Eugene Kontorovich explains the international precedents which led to the dividing up of the land after the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in WWI.
As for your comment below that "we're only getting stronger", that's sadly delusional. It's Israel which is getting stronger. Arab countries are finally starting to openly normalise their relations with Israel via the #AbrahamAccords. I don't hate anyone. I encourage my Muslim friends to use better critical analysis and to stop believing the propaganda.
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When the Ottoman Empire was DEFEATED by the Allied Powers, it ceded its land to Britain, France, etc. who were under no obligation to give the land to anyone in 1918, but they did. Today, Arabs have self-determination in 99% of that Ottoman Middle East land which was LIBERATED by the Allies. Israel is less than 1% of that land, and one-fifth of Israeli citizens are Arabs, who accepted life in the Jewish state of Israel. They have equal rights and freedom of worship. The Jewish people supported Britain in the war effort, as did the Hejazi Arabs, who fought with Lawrence of Arabia. The so-called 'Palestinian Arabs' fought on the side of the Ottoman Turks, or they stayed neutral. Do you complain that Kurds and Assyrians, and other unique cultural groups, didn't get self-determination in their homelands. Lands that had been invaded and conquered by Arabs centuries ago? Or do you only complain that the #indigenous Jewish people fought for, and were granted the right to self-determination in their ancestral homeland? If so, that makes me feel a bit sick...😬
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@igueh : I'm Australian, born in New Zealand, and currently living in Egypt. But I guess you are talking about Israel and Israeli citizens? The Allied Powers (Britain, France, etc) were under NO legal obligation to hand over the Ottoman Empire land to the current occupants for self-determination after 1918, but they did. And Arabs got 99% of that land. It's important to remember that the Holy Land has ideological and strategic value for the Judeo-Christian West, so are you surprised that their leaders wanted the #indigenous Jewish people to once again live in their ancestral homeland so that there would be freedom of religion for all faiths? Under Islamic control, there is never freedom of religion.
The Ottoman Empire and the Arab countries lost all of their wars. They do NOT get to choose what happens to the Holy Land. Those Arab families who decided to accept life under Jewish rule are today 21% of the citizens of Israel. They have #equal rights under the law, with a better living standard than most Arabs in the surrounding countries. But you still complain? Do you want ALL of the Middle East to be under Islamic control, as it once was? Sorry, but that's not going to happen. Peace and blessings to you...🙏
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