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  1. Kal Kungyab Soviet Russia also held considerable power in the past, was also part of UNSC like USA, but that didn't stop America from traveling halfway across the globe to declare war on communism and spread democracy through proxy wars in Vietnam and Korea. So what's holding back USA this time? As for your question, Life in Tibet is much better today than when it was under Dalai Lama rule. For much of history, Tibet was isolated from the world due to its location in the Himalayas, but thanks to Chinese construction of Qinghai railway through difficult mountaineous terrain, Tibet has become more accessable to the rest of the world, and there is growing tourist industry in Tibet. Farming in Tibet is difficult because of poor mountain soil and low rainfall, so Chinese scientists built special greenhouses to help increase agricultural yield. Tibet also imports food from rest of China to help feed its growing population. The government also help modernize Tibet by building roads, streetlamps, infrastructure, schools and universities as well as modern amenities like water, electricity, gas and plumbing to Tibetan residences. Modern technology is also available to Tibetans in the form of cars, smartphones, computers and Internet access. Thanks to the Internet, Tibetans can browse websites, shop online, make payments and have purchases delivered to their house in Tibet, because it is part of China after all. It is for the above reasons, that's why I believe most Tibetans do not want independence.
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  2. +Kal Kungyab So why USA stopped supporting Tibetan independence once President Nixon visited China? Its because USA recognised China's sovereignty over Tibet in the end. Today, UN countries like USA, UK etc recognise Tibet as part of China today. Tibetans today get special treatment from government as they are exempted from paying taxes. They are free to worship whatever religion they want and can take educational courses in Mandarin and Tibetan. They get free education up to university and enjoy special health care benefits and education bursaries. For example if qualifying for university courses, if Han Chinese need 500 points to qualify, Tibetans need only 300 points (easier) to qualify for same course. When Tibetans get married and start family, they are also exempted from One-Child Policy and can have as many kids as they want. There are numerous benefits afforded to Tibetans that Han Chinese do not get to enjoy, so in what way are Tibetans culturally oppressed? Most Tibetans understand their political situation and know that Tibet wouldn't be able to survive without China.
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  3. +kikivoorburg You mean the government "threatens" other countries using pandas? And other countries actually feel threatened by possible removal of pandas from their zoos? That's a first... As for your 2nd post, if Tibet was independent, that it is unlikely that Tibet will have the necessary funds to develop infrastructure on their own, or to have India or China invest in them. Tibet is located in Himalayas and you think India or China would build a railway through difficult mountainous terrain to access Tibet for free? You think the Qinghai Railway was so easily built? It is world's highest elevation railway passing through permafrost and regions with low oxygen. The passenger carriages have special enriched-oxygen and UV-protection systems to protect its passengers. You think Tibet could afford to pay for this project? You people keep claiming "Most Tibetans want independence" but where did you get such information? Did you interview the people of Tibet personally? It was true that during monasteries were destroyed during Culture Revolution but so did the rest of China suffered and afterwards, the government eventually rebuilt monasteries that were destroyed during those periods. The 14th Dalai Lama was a traitor that conspired with CIA to lead uprising in Tibet in 1959. Normally, Tibetan spiritual leaders supposed be removed from worldly affairs but by getting involved in politics, 14th DL had shown that he is no longer fit to rule Tibet. He abused his religious position to train Tibetan guerrillas in separatist activities. When the uprising failed, he and his followers fled to India as exiles, aided by the CIA. Today, the Tibetans in China live arguably more prosperous lives than the exiled Tibetans, due to the modernization of Tibet. The 14th DL spends money traveling to places to preach, while his followers in India lead harsh lives. The future of Tibetan exiles is uncertain, and the DL is an old man. When he dies of old age, what will happen to the rest of his followers? It is clear that 14th DL doesn't really care about his followers or what the future holds for them.
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  4. Arun Nair Hong Kong may not have an army of its own, but it does have its own government, which was why One-China Two-Systems policy was introduced by Chinese government. This policy enabled Hong-Kong to keep their existing government and for China to keep ours. ROC is also not a recognised country by many major countries around the world. Even president Trump has affirmed China's One-China Policy recognising Taiwan as part of China, just like Obama did before him as well as Bush's administration and 40 years of USA presidencial history.
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  5. The Emperor Of China Hong-Kong government has accepted a politically different government and so did Macau, so why not ROC as well? Otherwise, how do you propose both states solve the problem and keep our existing governments? You expect PRC give up and become part of ROC? PRC is already offering ROC a chance keep its existing government under the One-China Two-Systems policy, so how is China being unreasonable here?
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  6. The Emperor Of China Why are you insulting me now? Then exactly what do you propose then, since you reject PRC's proposal? Of course its not 100% fair, because PRC is so much larger than Hong-Kong, Macau and Taiwan, but then exactly what do you expect? If Hong-Kong and Macau were "never" countries like you said, then what makes you think ROC is? Do major countries of the world today recognise ROC as a country? You constantly mock my solution then exactly what do you propose to solve the solution? ROC claims all mainland China (including Tibet and Outer Mongolia) belongs to them, but PRC can't claim Taiwan as part of China?
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  7. The Emperor Of China You continue to mock me, when I am simply stating my view, and dismiss my solution without proposing any solution of your own. I don't insult you just because your views differ from mine and if you are against my answer, then why not suggest a solution instead of attacking me personally? "There are many more countries that are much smaller than ROC" but many of them have been officially recognized by UN and most of world's major countries, unlike ROC. This is a fact. Exactly what do you know of ROC political parties? The parties are COLOR-CODED according to their political agenda, where BLUE represents wanting eventual reunification with the mainland such as Kuomintang (KMT) and GREEN representing people who want independence such as Democratic Progressive Party (DPP). The nature of democracy is that people can suddenly change their minds and their votes at any time, so what makes you think you know what the people of Taiwan really want? If people of ROC want democracy, and I already proposed that PRC extend the "One-China Two-Systems" policy to include Taiwan as well, so why can't PRC grant democracy to Taiwan under this system? PRC already granted democracy to Hong-Kong and Macau, so why not Taiwan as well?
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  8. The Emperor Of China Chinese government only screens the candidates for election, but otherwise the people of Hong Kong and Macau still get to elect their own leaders by voting. What's wrong with this arrangement? The communist party has to ensure that HK and Macau candidates do not just suddenly declare independence, but otherwise, it is still the people's own votes that bring the person into power. Of course reunifying with PRC is going to result in restrictions of some sort. You think states can just unify just like that, and then continue to enjoy the same freedoms as before? You must be naive if you are thinking this way only. Reunification results in compromise and sacrifice of some sort from both parties. If the Chinese government really wanted to, it can simply abolish the whole "democracy" in HK and Macau government and then working those states into China's economic growth policies. But at the moment, the government lets those states govern their country autonomously, as long as they remain part of China. What has United Nations got to do with this? Even in UN there are laws governing who can join. For example, ROC is no longer recognized by many UN countries, while PRC is recognized as China. Both North and South Korea are UN members but both claim to represent Korea. There are also other states like Palestine and Israel that have their own recognition issues in UN. What makes you think UN doesn't have any rules regarding who can join and go? You have constantly insulted me and mocked my solution, then exactly what do you propose in return? Of course it is not fair, because PRC wields much more power than ROC at the moment, but it is still a compromise that allows both states to keep our respective governments. You think ROC is going to be left the same as it is, even after reunification? Did you even know that ROC wasn't even really democratic until 1987. Like PRC, ROC was ruled by KMT for 37 years (1911-1949) and even in Taiwan, KMT governed Taiwan under martial law for another 38 years. Taiwan under KMT faced much economic development and progress, similar to China in 1970s, but it was only after introduction of democratic voting, did Taiwan's economy slowed and relations between PRC and ROC became strained when the DPP took power. Both KMT and the communist party had eventual goal of reunification of China, but with DPP taking the reins, the government does not know how to handle DPP given its eventual objective.
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  9. +Patrick A. Crawley Exactly how is Chinese government doing that? In the end, HK people are the ones who get to vote to elect the candidates into power, not China.
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  10. What do you people even know about Hong-Kong elections? The 1200 representatives are Hong-Kong citizens aren't they? And in the end, whoever gets elected into power is are determined by the people of Hong-Kong, not by China. Why hold all those elections then, if HK people don't get chance to vote? All China does is clear the candidates to ensure that there aren't any anti-mainland sentiments that could possibly make HK declare itself independent. You people are just biased against China that's all. Since you all disagree with my solution, then why don't you propose solutions of your own? Of course the One-China, Two Systems is not 100% fair and HK is not absolutely 100% democracy, because it is a compromise by both parties. You expect reunification and for HK to still enjoy all the "freedoms"? Of course it won't happen. Otherwise what's the point of reunification then? You people don't actually seem to be living in the real world and still obsessed with ideals and textbook definitions that's all. Why don't you try facing reality for once? Who can say what is really a democracy or not?
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  11. +The Emperor Of China What nonsense are you talking about? As far as I know, the 1200 representatives in the Election Committee are consist of HK businessmen and corporations from various sectors including fiance, tourism, transport, etc. Which part of this committee is consist of Chinese mainlanders? In the end, the votes are all cast by people of HK, so what rubbish are you trying to say here? Election Committee (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Committee ) Han Chinese growth is negative, because of One Child Policy, meant to limit the population growth of China, to prevent overwhelming of resources needed to sustain such population. Before that, Han Chinese growth was far higher than that of other ethnic minorities and China faced a possibly of having insufficient resources to sustain such explosive growth. The One Child Policy did its job, and China's population growth shrank, so recently the government introduced Two-Child Policy instead. USA and China are not at all related to each other in politics, but Hong Kong and the mainland are, under the One China, Two Systems policy. You are trying to compare two different political governing systems altogether, so what nonsense are you trying to create here? Are USA and China related to One China Two System policy like Hong Kong and the mainland here? Otherwise, exactly what point are you trying to make here? If you are really American citizen, then what gives you the right to comment on China's internal political affairs? +Patrick A. Crawley You people did not answer my question, so why should I answer yours? Carrie Lam received 777 out of 1,163 votes cast to become the next chief executive of Hong Kong, so what is wrong with this system? The 1200 votes were made by HK corporations and businesses, so how exactly did the mainland influence this system?
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  12. +Patrick A. Crawley How is that not democracy? Although Carrie Lam was widely seen as Beijing’s preferred candidate, there still needs to be a vote to determine if she will become the leader, and it could have gone either way. As far as I know, all of the voters in 1200 committee were HK citizens and there were no Chinese mainlanders involved in the voting process.
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  13. Patrick A. Crawley Why do you keep asking single statement questions? I am not obliged find out answers for you. You can always calculate the number of people who voted instead keep demanding questions out me. Why don't you find out something for yourself for once?
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  14. Patrick A. Crawley When did I even say that? Hong-Kong was part of China since Qing dynasty so what's wrong with it being returned to China? In 19th century, the British wanted continue drinking our tea, but we didn't want to sell it, so they waged two bloody wars and forced us to buy opium from them at gunpoint, which we didn't want because it made us sick and was poisoning our people. Port cities like Shanghai were forced open to act as drug distribution hubs spreading the addiction throughout China and Hong Kong was stolen from China. So what's wrong with returning Hong Kong back to China? Chinese government can always abolish the democracy, since Hong Kong is recognised as part of China isn't it? The way you phrased your comment is typical of people who admit defeat and run away because they lack any good reply too.
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  15. +Bob Saget Now you are just being anti-Chinese here. Which major country even recognize ROC to be its own country? Even US President Trump has affirmed the One-China Policy, just like Obama before him and Bush, and 40 years of previous US presidents. President Trump recognize Jerusalem to be Israel's capital (much to Palestian's objection) but he doesn't recognize ROC as its own country? The rest of your comment is just hate speech against mainland Chinese that's all. According to China's 2015 tourism statistics. mainland China received the following numbers of international tourists. 1. Hong Kong (81.06 million) 2. Macau (23.5 million) 3. Taiwan (5.48 million) 4. South Korea (4.44 million) 5. Japan (2.49 million) 6. Vietnam (2.16 million) ... ... 12. Singapore (0.9 million) So why do you claim that those countries hate China, if they form majority of China's internationals tourists?
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  16. +Mickey G If Westerner only contribute to majority of scientific advancement after 1400, then Asia contributed significantly to scientific advancement from before 1400 isn't that right? Ancient Chinese people invented the crossbow, which spread to Europe and enabled even untrained peasants to fight on equal footing with trained archers during medieval times. The stirrups that enable medieval knights to fight on horseback, originated in China from horse riding nomads in the North. Besides gunpowder, Chinese people also the first to invent handguns, bombs, handgrenades, landmines, naval mines, exploding cannonballs, rockets launchers and of course, fireworks. There is even an ancient Chinese flamethrower housed in Chinese museum, capable of shooting continuous stream of fire just like modern flamethrower. But Western historical textbooks like to credit themselves with invention of these technology. Rocket was Chinese invention, but Americans claimed it was "white person" Robert Goddard that invented the rocket. Many Asian nations including India and China first made recordings of astronomy, but Western textbook would mention only people like Plato or Aristotle. It is this "white washing" that makes it appear like Westerners are scientifically superior, when much of their knowledge of science, mathematics, astronomy is actually gleamed from Asia. Are you saying Native Americans did not consider themselves "nations", therefore they are deprived of the rights to their lands? Europeans were foreign invaders, not of the same continent as America, whereas Chinese civilization accreted from the various indigenous nation states living in Asia along the Yellow river. Our Chinese ancestors lived and walked on these very lands for thousands of years, whereas you can't say the same thing of European colonists in America. Only Native Americans could say their ancestors lived there for millennia.
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  17. +Mickey G There are many more Chinese inventions I could name. Chinese people invented paper and printing to help preserve and transfer knowledge, which books such as Holy Bible are made from, and helped raised Europe out of Dark Ages. Chinese also invented the banknote, which helped speed up business transactions worldwide by reducing the carrying of metal coinage. In metallurgy, ancient Chinese people invent the blast furnace and cupola furnace, which made use of bellows to achieve the high temperatures necessary to smelt iron ore to create pig, wrought iron, cast iron, as well as steel, being the first nation to use coke as fuel. Using iron drill heads, Chinese people were also the first to drill wells and even mine for natural gas and salt, using bamboo derricks and bamboo pipes to siphon the gas to be use as lantern fuel. About your father and son arithmetic analogy, it goes without saying that the son would not have progressed this far if it weren't for the father teaching him. This is why Chinese people tend to respect elders for their seniority and our ancestors who lived on the land before us. Without their efforts, China would not be where it is today. China has 5000 years of history and is one of world's oldest "continuous" civilizations still alive today, whereas other great ancient civilizations like Rome and Egypt have long since faded to history. Even today, China has accomplished much from science, quantum mechanics and so on. China is home to world's fastest supercomputer, Sunway Taihu Light 神威·太湖之光 and in quantum computing, China is the first nation to launch world's first quantum satellite that is said to be hack-proof due to its quantum encryption, and also demonstrated that the quantum entanglement effect works at distances above the stratosphere. Quantum satellite achieves 'spooky action' at record distance youtube.com/watch?v=4QlcKuxDGrs
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  18. +Mickey G What is Chinese imperialism compared to Western imperialism? Which country is the one founding colonies in Africa, India and especially the Americas and Australia? China once had the opportunity to create colonies of our own, when our naval power was supreme, such as during Ming dynasty, when Zheng He led seven voyages, visiting Africa, India and the Middle East, with armada of ships, some of which were 4 to 5 times the size of Santa Maria (Columbus' ship) But it was a merchant armada for peaceful trading purposes, and not geared towards expansionism and colonization, unlike the European colonial powers at that time. CrashCourse History on Zheng He's voyages https://youtu.be/NjEGncridoQ?t=126 If you differentiate between quantum computing and quantum satellite, then China also built our own quantum computer prototype that is 24,000 times faster than its international counterparts. China Developing World’s First Quantum Computer chinamoneynetwork.com/2017/04/12/china-developing-worlds-first-quantum-computer China hits milestone in developing quantum computer scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/2092635/china-hits-milestone-developing-quantum-computer If you really are Asian, then you should know that Westerners have often mocked our self-esteem and ridiculed our culture as backward as compared to theirs. But Asian history is much longer and richer than that of Caucasians. Studies have also shown that Asians are among the world's most intelligent and diligent people of culture, so why should we Asians somehow consider ourselves inferior to "White men"? This preconception that Asians are inferior, exists solely within our minds, that's all, and is restricting us from realizing our full potential. We need to shrug off this misconception imposed onto us by Westerners, and to start seeing ourselves on an equal footing as them. Like you said, we need not grow to become overly arrogant. But we should definitely not sell ourselves short of what we are capable of.
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  19. +Mickey G You keep claiming that I keep on missing your point... then exactly what point are you trying to make here?? The son would be unable to learn differential equation, if his father didn't teach him arithmetic first isn't it? You claim that the younger generation Chinese losing their values, but then again, the son is his own person, different from his father, isn't it? Do you think the son would be able discover differential equation, if he only stuck to his father's arithmetic all the time? In the same way, younger generation of Chinese are paving the way for China's future, in their own way. Why is it you appear to look down China's accomplishments and claim that they are falsifiable? Besides supercomputing and quantum computing, China is 3rd country in world to independently send people into space, besides USA and Russia. In 2008, China conducted our first "spacewalk" during Shenzhou-7 mission and we even landed our very own lunar rover and spacecraft Chang'e-3 on the Moon in 2013, after almost 40 years of neglecting the Moon by NASA. The government also hopes to one day, put a man on the Moon like USA and to also be the first country to land on dark side of the Moon. China Shenzhou 7 Space Walk Live!! Full Success! youtube.com/watch?v=gMxQEHfU6hM You portray China as being imperialistic and expansionist, but currently, China is peaceful and not been involved in any war for 30 years, since our last major battle in 1979. In contrast, the USA is still involved in war and bombing countries in Middle East, even in 21st century. China has territorial disputes with some of our neighbors, but so far, it is bloodless without war being declared. The Chinese government has repeatedly stressed that bilateral dialogue is China's approach to solving these problems. If Asians continue to worship the "white" man on his pedestal, then Asians will forever be shackled under them. Who's going to believe in Asian's success, if we ourselves don't even believe in ourselves? How are we ever going to realize our full potential, if we continue to follow Westerners all the time? It is not set in stone that Westerners are always superior to other races. The world order can always topple and change one day in future, as long as Asian people work towards it. If Asians continue do nothing, then obviously, nothing will change. In the end, Westerners will continue walk all over us.
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  20. The people of Taiwan need to realize that USA is only using ROC as a means to get back at China, and doesn't really care about ROC's interests. It is also highly unlikely that USA will move to defend ROC if PRC decides to reclaim Taiwan, since the same thing happened when Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine, but USA did nothing about it, except for imposing sanctions on Russia. Today, PRC and USA are big trading partners of each other, and its highly unlikely that USA will risk its relations with PRC for ROC's sake. USA's interests are ultimately its own.
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  21. Tibetans also enjoys special exemptions from paying taxes to government and health care and education bursaries. For example, if Han Chinese need 500 points to qualify for university course, Tibetan only need say 300 points (easier) to qualify same course. Also, when Tibetans get married and start family, they are exempted from One-Child Policy, unlike Han Chinese, and can have as many kids as they want. Because of this, Tibetan population has grown significantly during last few years and Tibet population has doubled in size since 1951.
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  22. jtpf87 Lol Tibetans aren't allowed to travel? I assume you got your false information from some biased Western sources in the first place. Who says Tibetans can't travel out of China? Many Tibetan pilgrims visit the 14th Dalai Lama in India so what rubbish are you even making up here? Also there isn't a "Republic of Taiwan" only a Republic of China so again what rubbish are you making up here?
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  23. +jtpf87 Out of these 10000 Tibetan "refugees" about 40,000-50,000 of them returned to Tibet after a pilgrimage in India. The application for Tibetan passport is more stricter than for Han Chinese, which is why some passports fail to get issued because of Tibetan background involvement. Nevertheless, Tibetans still travel to other Asian countries like Japan and Korea so since when are Tibetans barred from traveling outside of China? It all depends on the Tibetan's background information and other factors that's all.
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  24. There are even Tibetan students who travel abroad to study in overseas schools USA and Japan, so who says Tibetans are not allowed to leave Tibet? As for 9 dash line, nobody protest Chinese proclamation of South China Sea islands back in 1947. North Vietnam had accepted that Spratly Islands were historically Chinese. When Philippines gain independence, they did not drawn Scarborough shoal or other territory as within their national boundaries. Even US president Franklin sent warships to help China reclaim South China Sea Islands. But in 1970s, Vietnam and Philippines began encroach into China's territory, so why are these countries suddenly in the right? Why didn't Vietnam or Philippines protest back in 1947 when the map was first published?
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  25. jtpf87 Who is ignoring most of the facts? You said "Tibetans aren't allowed leave Tibet and travel" and I already shown you that Tibetans traveled on pilgrimage to India, as well as to countries like USA and Japan for studies so how am I picking and choosing? If China made claim to South China Sea Islands back in 1947, and nobody objected, then exactly what is China doing wrong here? In 1999, Philippines ran aground one of its rusting WW2 vessels onto Spratly Islands and secretly removed all Chinese markers from that islands. Chinese government protested and offered to tow away the rusting vessel but Philippines government refused any help. Instead, they are continuing to reinforce the rusting hull to prevent it disintegrating in order to lay claim to the island. So exactly who is resorting to dirty tricks here? The islands were not part of Philippines when it drew its national boundaries at independence. Who says Youtube is not approved by the government? CGTN and other Chinese News Network make use of Youtube too, isn't it? As for VPN, so many foreign companies come to China and require Western Internet to function, so who says having VPN for business is illegal?
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  26. China survived 5000 years without democracy, so is there sudden need to adopt it? Modern Western democracy is at most 200-300, so there's no guarantee that is going to last.
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  27. +Han According to this source: "Indonesia have sunk 317 boats since 2014, and another 191 are waiting" asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/International-Relations/Indonesia-to-continue-blowing-up-illegal-fishing-vessels So what gives Indonesian government the right to destroy other countries' fisherman's livelihood? Chinese government don't destroy other countries property by blowing up their ships, so what gives Indonesian government the right to do the same to Chinese fishing vessels? +Park Minje What about South Korean coastguard firing machine gun at Chinese trawlers? atimes.com/article/south-korean-coastguard-fires-chinese-trawlers/ Because of such serious hostile actions, Chinese coastguard has to venture out to protect our fishermen. Chinese fishermen have been fishing in these waters before your countries attained independence, so why suddenly Chinese fishermen considered fishing illegally?
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  28. +Park Minje Chinese fisherman have been fishing there for many years, so why is it suddenly illegal according to South Korea? Also, you think Chinese fishermen fishing illegally, would try to ram an armed coastguard? No, they would try to flee if they spotted the coastguard, and the Koreans probably cook up an excuse of "fisherman ramming their boats" to excuse the firing of machinegun rounds.
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  29. +Park Minje According to the source, there were some 30 Chinese vessels, so why are each and every one of them assumed to be fishing illegally? People who fish in illegal waters want smaller numbers of boats to minimize being spotted and arrested by the authorities. So why the presence of 30 large trawlers automatically means they are in illegal waters? The South Korean coastguard is just interfering in waters that Chinese fishermen have fished for generations. +Han So does that give Indonesian government the right to destroy other countries' property? Which country in the world explodes other fisherman's livelihood, simply for supposed illegal fishing?
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  30. +Andrew Clements First off, how do you know if it is S. Korea's territorial waters exactly? It was in Yellow Sea, which is located between China, North Korea and South Korea, according to the following map ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/304/media/images/59936000/gif/_59936011_southkorea_yellowsea04302012.gif You think fisherman are herd animals or something? Such a large group of fishing vessels, implies that it is well-known fishing grounds for Chinese fishermen, which is possible reason why they were there so brazenly. What makes you think grouping together would catch more fish? Won't the fish be scared off by presence of so many ships? You are support Indonesian government for destroying property belonging to other people? And South Korean coastguard can open fire on bows of Chinese fishing vessels? It is apparent that you people are simply biased against China for illogical reasons. Chinese coastguard don't explode other country's boats and neither do they open fire at fishing vessels so who are you people to judge when Chinese coastguards emerges to protect our fishermen from other countries?
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  31. +Park Minje So you still believe 30 Chinese ships all had faulty GPS and all of them simply strayed into Korean waters? You are the unreasonable one claiming Chinese fishermen were there illegally, when there is no proof, except from Korean coastguard only. Trawlers may be illegal in other countries, but they are legal in China so what is wrong with Chinese fishermen deploying trawlers in our own waters? You are the one refused to read the article at all, before jumping to conclusions. Those ships that usually trespassed into illegal waters are small wooden boats, not 30 Chinese trawlers.
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  32. +Park Minje That's right they aren't small vessels. So why would Chinese fisherman take such big sluggish trawler go fishing in illegal waters, instead of taking small boats that are more maneuverable and easier to escape with? And to have 30 big trawlers go fishing illegally at the same time? Who would believe such things? You are the one read news articles without thought and just blindly accept the article for what it is. You don't apply any logic to the situation and don't look beyond the surface to digest the implications. Tell me why 30 big Chinese trawlers are automatically assumed to be illegally fishing, when trawlers make poor escape vessels.
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  33. Why are all you people accusing me being 50 cents, just for simply pointing out how ridiculous it is for 30 big Chinese trawlers to be fishing in supposedly "illegal waters" in same time? Why take big sluggish trawler to fish illegally, instead of small, fast, maneuverable boat that easier escape with? Are my questions so illogical here? You people constantly mock and insult me for applying my logic to the news article, while you people just blindly accept it without questions. Why don't you people attempt explain why 30 trawlers are there in the first place, instead of mocking me here for my reasoning? You have no answer to this simple question, so you label me 50 cents instead? Also, no one else has voiced out Indonesian government blowing up fishermen's livelihood and some people have even expressed support for Indonesia's actions. I mean, which other country does the same thing to Indonesia's fishing vessels? Nobody blows up Indonesian fishing boats, not even China, yet you people casually overlook it and some even approve of it? You people have shown no respect and constantly mock me for being critical, while disregarding the actions of Indonesian government and so on. So what makes you people think you are justified? By labelling me 50 cents? You people are simply biased against me just because my views differ from yours.
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  34. +Park Minje You are outright lying about Chinese government lack of reaction. You think South Korean Coastguard opening fire with machinegun on Chinese vessels is going to be taken lightly? According to following source, Chinese foreign affairs ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying, said China was “strongly dissatisfied” at the action and urged Seoul to “discipline” its coastguard. Beijing ‘strongly dissatisfied’ after South Korean coastguard fires machine guns at Chinese trawlers independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-south-korea-fire-fishing-boats-response-a7398186.html You blame me being ignorant and biased, but you can't even address my simple questions? Why did 30 Chinese trawlers suddenly "decide" to fish illegally, and why did they take sluggish trawlers instead of smaller faster vessels? You refuse to answer this reasonable question, but proceed to insult and mock me? You think Korean coastguards are the only victims? According to above source, three Chinese fishermen were killed in a fire when the Korean coastguard tried to apprehend them in September 2016, so who is being biased here by thinking that only South Koreans have been hurt? You people just resort to ridiculing me just because you are unable to answer my questions at all.
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  35. +Park Minje Who here is promoting the use of violence, like deploying machineguns against unarmed vessels and exploding other countries fishing boats? As far as I know, I am the only one actively objecting to Indonesian government blowing up fishermen's livelihoods. Others are indifferent or even expressing approval at Indonesian government's actions so who are you keep on insulting me for simply presenting logical points? As for Chinese marine environment, what do you know about China's fishing industry? China accounts for 1/3 world's fish production and 2/3 worlds fishing farms so who are you to look down on our fishing industry? China has to feed the world's largest population after all and the government slowly increasing the number of fish farms and promoting aquaculture in order meet the demand.
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  36. +Park Minje So what did those fishing vessels did to Indonesia, to warrant getting exploded? You are the one promoting needless violence like opening fire with machineguns and expressing support for Indonesian exploding other ships vessels, so what makes you justified in your views here? Because they were against Chinese vessels? "Real robbers" do not drive big, sluggish trucks to trespass and rob other people and not in big groups of 30. They drive small, fast getaway cars instead. So why are you still avoiding the fundamental question here, and just blindly accept the news instead of being critical here? Korean coastguards still fired dangerously at the bow of Chinese ships in the end, so again, why are you justifying their actions here?
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  37. Who are you accuse me writing comments for living? I still wrote less comments than mister Park Minje here so why are you blaming me? And yes, those trawlers were not small so why accuse them of illegal fishing? Won't fishermen use smaller ships to escape authorities, if they want to fish in illegal waters? Also, how does that explain the bold presence of 30 of such trawlers? If those waters truly illegal, than 30 of such large ships would definitely stick out like sore thumb. I have used logic in my arguments, and presented my own stance regarding use of violent methods, like firing machineguns and exploding other fishermen's ships. But you people constantly mock and insult me, dismiss my sources, ignore my questions and act indifferent or show approval towards violent methods? What makes you people think you are justified here?
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  38. +Park Minje Why have you resort to abusing vulgarity against me? Small fishing boats may stand better chance of evading the coastguards, but not the big trawlers, so why would Chinese fisherman take big trawler to go fishing in illegal waters in first place? And why take 30 of them too? It doesn't make sense for Chinese fisherman to fish in illegal waters, while using big trawlers and having so many numbers makes it even more obvious. That is why how do you really know that the waters there are Korean waters in the first place? Because Korean coastguard says so?
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  39. +Park Minje So why don't you explain why 30 big Chinese trawlers are all fishing illegally then? You mock me and abuse profanity means you are correct? You can't even explain why there are so many big trawlers in supposedly illegal waters, but you resort to attacking me personally instead of attacking my points? Chinese government also never confirmed that those fisherman were fishing illegally. Chinese government only protest South Korean Coastguard use of force, so why are makes you think that they are automatically justified in their use of violent methods?
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  40. +Park Minje You refuse to analyse the mindset, and just blindly believe the news, automatically means you are justified? Who is the one being critical of these reports by asking questions here? Who is the one endorsing violence like South Korean coastguard opening machinegun fire on unarmed Chinese vessels, or Indonesian government's exploding of other country's property? You mean your views differ from mine, gives you the right to abuse profanities and mock me? How does that justify your opinion, because you stoop to using vulgar language?
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  41. Park Minje What proof exactly? You have contributed nothing but insults and vulgarities that's all. And you are the one endorsing violence such Korean coastguards use of machine guns against unarmed vessels and Indonesian government exploding other countries fishing boats. Indonesian fishermen have been fishing illegally in Australia too, but you don't see Australian government blowing up other peoples properties.
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  42. Park Minje Why continue abuse vulgarities against me? I don't use such words against you. Also, knife is very common fishermen tool, used for cutting nets or gutting fish so why is it justified to use machine guns against these people. Every fishing vessel has knife of some sort, so you classify all of such vessels as "armed" ships to justify use of machine guns?
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  43. +Park Minje So are you proposing to ban all fishermen from using knives? How do you expect them to work then? Golf club and umbrella can also serve as weapon, so should they all be banned? Coastguard are expected to handle cases of non-compliance, but not to use unnecessary force, like machinegun unless the situation calls for it. How is South Korean coastguard opening fire on defenseless fishermen such a situation? Also, who says other countries fishermen do comply when they meet the authorities? In this article, Vietnamese fishermen fled from Phillpines coastguard, and two Vietnamese fishermen were shot to death because of this. nationmultimedia.com/detail/aec/30327597
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  44. +Park Minje Exactly who is the one endorsing violence here? These Vietnamese fishermen only fishing to make living, so they deserve death as punishment is that what you are trying to say? You really approve the use of machineguns, shooting to kill and Indonesian government exploding boats as legit? I already demonstrated that other country fishermen will also run given such scenario, such as the Vietnamese fishermen. Who would even be stupid enough to comply? Will you get lighter sentence if you surrender to coastguard? Indonesian government will still blow up your boat, nevertheless. You really lack an analytical brain or even any common sense, and really just blindly believe everything that news feed you. Yet you still abuse me with foul language and call me ignorant?
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  45. 那些战忽局的，其实都自娱自乐的。我说的话应该不会影响他们的工作。
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  46. Milton Waddams But the Chinese fishermen did not shoot at the police. Even if they surrendered peacefully, Indonesian government still exploded the boats. You claim I am arrogant, when you are the one endorsing the use of violence here, such as firing machine gun against unarmed fishermen by Korean coastguards? Which country besides Indonesia is destroying other countries property by exploding fishermen's livelihood?
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  47. Park Minje My statement was that the "Chinese fishermen did not shoot at the police" so how is this statement considered wrong at all? Ramming is not shooting and knives, shovels and spears are common tools for fishermen (they are fishermen after all) so what is wrong with fishermen possessing such implements? You mean you consider all those fishing vessels to be armed because of those tools alone? All you people shown so far is that you lack common sense and label me arrogant, when you people seem to endorse violence such as firing machine guns and exploding other people's properties that's all.
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  48. Park Minje When did I ever said that at all? All I said was that violence methods should not be promoted over here, but you people resort to abusing vulgarities, insulting me and labelling me 50c, simply for expressing my views so what makes you people justified over me? I don't use such language or insults against you people and I am not the one endorsing violence here like you people.
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  49. +Park Minje Who do you think you are now to suddenly demand answers out of me, when you have consistently failed to answer any questions of mine previously? I have previously asked you to explain you think why 30 Chinese trawlers are all fishing illegally at the same time, but you ignored my questions completely. You don't even answer any of my questions, yet now you demand answers out of me here?
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  50. +Park Minje If you refuse to answer my earlier questions asked a week ago, then I think it is fair of me not to answer yours. I have not abused any vulgar language against you or so on, and I have asked thoughtful questions and my stance towards violence is very clear. You on the other hand, have insulted me and abused vulgar language, and consistently refuse to answer my questions, while demanding answers out of me at the same time. And you have consistently endorsed violence, even Indonesian exploding boats, and Philippines shooting to death Vietnamese fishermen. So what makes you think that you are justified here?
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