Comments by "神州 Shenzhou" (@Shenzhou.) on "The Armchair Historian"
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During Unit 731, Japanese scientists conducted inhuman experiments on Chinese prisoners, including men, women and children. Prisoners were infected with various diseases and then subjected to live vivisection, often without anesthesia. Scientists performed invasive surgeries, organs were removed, limbs amputated and then reattached to opposite sides of the body, all while the subject is alive. Some prisoners even had their stomachs removed and their esophagus reattached to the intestines, presumably to measure how long humans can survive without the stomach.
The women had it worst during Unit 731. Prisoners were injected with sexually transmitted diseases and then forced at gunpoint to spread the infection to other prisoners. Women were raped and impregnated (sometimes by Japanese themselves) and then vivisected at various stages of their pregnancy to study the effects of diseases on their organs or on the fetus. Some Japanese scientists even raped female prisoners and then had experiments conducted on unborn children they fathered with female prisoners there.
Imagine if you are woman prisoner in Unit 731. Or you are a man injected with STD and then forced at gunpoint to have sex to spread it to other prisoners? Why not simply inject everyone with STD, instead of forcing prisoners to spread STD by sex? Or imagine having your limbs amputated and reattached to opposite sides of your body, all without anastasia.
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+Haruka ino During Unit 731, Japanese soldiers conducted human experiments on Chinese prisoners, including men, women and children. Prisoners were subjected to live vivisection after infecting them with various diseases, and often without anesthesia and usually ending with their death. Organs were removed, limbs frozen and amputated, and reattached to opposite sides of the body, while the subject is kept alive, because it was thought that death will affect the results. Some prisoners even had their stomachs removed and their gullet attached to their intestines, just to see how long humans can survive without the stomach.
Japanese scientists experimented with sexually transmitted diseases, by injecting prisoners and forcing them to spread the disease to other people at gunpoint. Women were raped and impregnated (sometimes by Japanese themselves) and then vivisected at various stages to study the effects of diseases on their organs, or on their pregnancy. Japanese scientists literally raped prisoners and then had experiments conducted on unborn children they fathered with female prisoners. Can you imagine if you are woman in Unit 731? Or imagine you are a man injected with STD and forced to have sex at gunpoint to spread it to other prisoners? Why not simply inject everyone with STD in the first place instead?
All Chinese people wanted to do was defend our lands and protect our loved ones that's all. But Japanese invaded our lands, stole our territory, killed our men, raped our women and conducted scientific experiments on our children.
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+Haruka ino During the Dalai Lama administration of Tibet, Tibet was a brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves and the remaining 5% elites (slave owners). Tibetan mountainous soil was poor, and the people were surrounded by mountains, so the slaves worked all day to grow food to feed the population and support the 5% elites. Starvation was commonplace, punishments were harsh, people had limbs amputated for crimes or even their skins removed. There is this Tibetan drum called damaru that is made from human skulls, human skin as the drumskin, and human bone as the drumstick. The Dalai Lama was worshiped and people fought for the right to consume his body fluids like saliva, urine and even his feces, because he was seen as a holy vessel by the people.
But after the government regained control of Tibet in 1951, it began to modernize under the government. Roads, houses, streetlamps, schools, universities, hospitals, etc were built, and homes now had running water, plumbing, gas and electricity installed. Modern technology, like cars, smartphones, computers, the Internet, WiFi, and mobile phone coverage were available, even in such remote place like Himalayas. Chinese built the Qinghai Railway (world's highest altitude railway) through difficult mountain terrain and low oxygen conditions, and connecting Tibet to the rest of the world. Now food can be imported from the mainland to feed Tibetans and their population has increased because of that. A tourist industry has even sprung up in Tibet, allowing pilgrims much easier access to the otherwise isolated state in the Himalayas.
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The Japanese also conducted inhumane experiments on Chinese men, women and children. Prisoners in Unit 731 were infected with various diseases and subjected to live vivisection, often without anesthesia. Japanese scientists performed invasive surgeries, organs were removed, limbs amputated, and then reattached to opposite sides of the body, all while the subject is still alive and conscious. Prisoners even had their stomachs removed and their gullet reattached to the intestines, presumably to see how long humans can survive without the stomach.
The women had it worst during Unit 731. There were experiments with sexually transmitted diseases, by first injecting prisoners and forcing them at gunpoint to spread the infection to other prisoners. Women were raped and impregnated (sometimes by Japanese themselves) and then vivisected at various stages of their pregnancy to study the effects of diseases on their organs or on the fetus they were carrying. Some Japanese scientists even raped female prisoners themselves and then had experiments conducted on unborn children they fathered with female prisoners.
I mean, can you imagine if you are woman prisoner in Unit 731? Or that you are a man injected with STD and forced to have sex at gunpoint to spread it to other prisoners? Why not simply inject everyone with STD, instead of forcing prisoners to spread STD by sex? Can you imagine if you had your stomach removed just to see how long you can survive without it?
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Daniel Vedberg Sekulic You claimed that I am definitely wrong to assume Tibetans are better off today then under the Dalai Lama? Then can you prove how I am definitely wrong then?
Did the Tibetans have Internet at all, under the Dalai Lama rule? Today, China has the world's largest Internet population and thanks to that, Tibetans can enjoy Internet access and WiFi, allow the normally isolated place in the Himalayas, to enjoy better connectivity with rest of the world today. You claim Tibet prosperity is "outrightly wrong" then can you prove how it is outrightly wrong? Did Tibetans have any universities or schools, or hospitals, etc, prior to coming under Chinese control in 1951?
I think you are confusing Xinjiang with Tibet, as they are both different provinces of China and have different demographic presence and religions. Tibetans are not Muslims, they are Buddhists and the Muslims in Xinjiang (the Uighurs) aren't Tibetans or Buddhists. And I believe both of those people enjoy better education, better healthcare, better housing, better amenities like running water, gas and electricity, under Chinese rule, than they did on their own.
Countries all over the world recognize Tibet as an autonomous region of China. Which country today recognize Tibetan independence? Look at part 1:35 of the video, and Tibet was part of Qing dynasty China. Look at part 1:48 of the video and Tibet was part of Republic of China. Look at a Map of PRC today, and Tibet is part of China.
You think that Buddhist philosophy alone can keep the people in Tibet fed? That by rejecting material wealth, desires and so on, it becomes an excuse to keep Tibet constantly poor and cut off from modernization? Do you know what Tibet was like under the Dalai Lama rule? It was brutal theocracy, where 95% of the population were slaves, and the 5% elites were slave owners. Tibetan mountainuous soil was infertile, and slaves had to work all day to produce enough food to feed the population, but thanks to modernization, Tibet can now import food from the mainland (through the Qinghai railway) to feed its population. More universities are built in Tibet, so Tibetans can go to school, graduate and venture into cities to find jobs.
I mean, you think every Tibetan wants to be a yak farmer, or a monk? Because those two are virtually the ONLY options available to Tibetans under the Dalai Lama rule.
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+Daniel Vedberg Sekulic Tibet has been part of China since 800 years ago, when the Mongolians conquered both Tibet and Song dynasty China, and made them part of Yuan dynasty China. And since when did any country recognized Tibetan independence at all? USA, UK, France, Russia, Germany, etc, they all accept Tibet as an autonomous region of China.
Life for Tibetans did improve, and I already quoted various examples to prove my case. But you just claim that life didn't improve in Tibet, then why don't you show exactly how? Tibet broke free of Qing China in 1912 and was reincorporated back in 1951, so for 39 years it was beyond China's control, but it doesn't mean that it was recognized as its own independent state by other countries. Which country recognized Tibetan independence then during that period? In 1951, The Dalai Lama signed the Seventeen Point Agreement for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet and affirmed Chinese sovereignty over Tibet.
You said so yourself that "What kind of Tibetian have the economy to buy these things since the majority is at best farmers the standard of life in tibet have been quite the same for a long time." But now, Tibetans have the money to spend on cars, electricity, smartphones, computers, Internet and WiFi, so why do you still claim "Did life improve in Tibet?" so aren't you contradicting yourself a bit here?
Yes, its true that there is usually poor Internet reception and mobile phone coverage in mountainous regions. But thanks to the mainland building telecommunications infrastructure in Tibet, people and tourists in Tibet can enjoy decent mobile phone coverage and Internet, even in such a remote location like the Himalayas. And Tibet didn't even have electricity or gas in their houses, prior to 1951. Yet you still claim "Did life improve in Tibet?"
Since when is Tibet off limits to foreigners? So many tourists, both foreign and local, visit Tibet every day to pray at its temples during pilgrimages, go on mountain hikes, and so on. Ever since the Qinghai railway was built to connect Tibet to rest of the world, the tourism industry in Tibet has expanded rapidly and slowly becoming part of its economy. Why don't you yourself drop by Tibet one day and see for yourself what life is like over there?
Self-Immolation originated in India not Tibet, and the radical practice spread to Tibet over the years. Despite what Western media keep portraying about self-immolations in Tibet, since 2008, there have only been 100 or so self-immolations in a decade and these people are usually indoctrinated to risk their life for Western political agenda. I mean, why would any sane person burn themselves for long lost political cause? Why not work hard, go to school, graduate, get a job and start a family like most people do today?
Some Tibetans may be radical in their beliefs, but that doesn't mean all Tibetans want that sort of life. I mean, look at self-immolation in India for example, where as many as 1,451 and 1,584 self-immolations have been reported in 2000 and 2001, respectively. What's up with that? I mean, 1,000+ self-immolations in a single year, whereas in Tibet, it is an accumulated 100+ self-immolations over a period of 10 years (2008-2017) so which is worst?
Where did you get your sources about poverty statistics in China? According to World Bank, China’s poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to mere 6.5% in 2012. According to UNESCO, adult literacy rate of China increased from 65.5% in 1982 to a whopping 96.4% in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39%. This is an impressive feat, considering that China is world's most populous country, yet managing to achieve 6.5% poverty and 96.5% literacy given such huge population.
I mean, at least I am talking about real life examples, using statistics to support my case, but all you do is claim "Did life improve in Tibet" without going on to elaborate your point.
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MissingNOLA The link below plots the increase in life expectancy in China and compares it to USA, Europ and India
Life Expectancy at Birth in China, Europe, USA and India: 1950-2100
Source: china-profile.com/data/fig_WPP2010_L0_Boths.htm
China was once dirt-poor and starving country just like India in the past, and while there were mistakes made by the CCP, under their leadership, China's population doubled, our lifespans doubled, poverty fell and literacy rose. According to World Bank, China’s poverty rate fell from 88% in 1981 to mere 6.5% in 2012. According to UNESCO, adult literacy rate of China increased from 65.5% in 1982 to a whopping 96.4% in 2015 growing at an average annual rate of 10.39%. This is an impressive feat, considering that China is world's most populous country, yet achieving 6.5% poverty and 96.4% literacy.
Also, why are you getting so "sickened" over something that happened some time ago? Many Chinese people today have long since gotten over it and moved on, then why are you feeling such strong emotions in the name of Chinese?
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Daniel Vedberg Sekulic Then can you tell me which countries today recognised Tibetan independence? The UN countries (USA, UK, France, Russia, Germany, Canada, etc) all recognise that Tibet is autonomous region of China today, so where's the basis for your argument that Tibet is its own sovereign state? Nobody in UN brings up the issue Tibetan independence to China during all those UN meetings, so doesn't that mean that they accept China's sovereignty over Tibet?
You claim China nullify our own treaty with Tibet, but when did China ever do that? You claim that my argument one sided, then look at yours. You asked "Did life in Tibet improved?" and I already shown how much life in Tibet has improved didn't I?
If the KMT or Mongolian want to claim China from the PLA, then they are always welcome to try and take back China from us. Nobody is stopping those governments going to UN to reclaim China isn't it? In fact, it was the UN decision to stop recognising the Republic of China in 1971, and to recognise People's Republic of China as China. How is this flawed logic then?
Just like why you keep saying Westerners aren't allowed to Tibet? So many Western tourists come to Tibet every year to take pictures there, so where's the basis for your one sided argument? At least I quoted articles to support my claims, but all you done is make dubious claims without supporting your point at all.
For example, Tibet received a record 10 million tourists, both foreign and local in 2012, so why do you claim Westerners aren't allowed to visit Tibet? Where's your proof?
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Technically, the PLA still fought against Japan for 8 years. If you have smaller numbers than your enemy, then you should strategically utilize tactics suitable for small numbers against a more numerous opponent. And after the Japanese surrender in 1945, the PLA had 1,200,000 troops (July 1945) whereas the KMT had 4,300,000 troops (June 1946) so KMT still outnumber PLA by about 3 to 1.
Furthermore, the PLA had minimal Soviet support and often had to make use of leftover Japanese tanks, whereas the KMT had the support of USA. But KMT was corrupt, and pocketed about $750 million dollars worth of US military aid, so much that US President Truman wrote that "the Chiangs, the Kungs and the Soongs (were) all thieves", and began suspending aid to KMT.
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